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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 02:03 AM Original message |
BILL TO BAN DRE (TOUCH-SCREEN) VOTING FINALLY INTRODUCED IN SENATE |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yay ..... |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
53. It IS a fraud threat |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
83. So it's better to have the machines with no paper at all? |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #83 |
108. Yes |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #108 |
121. Sorry, but I have to laugh at this "logic". |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #121 |
128. Yes, you should apologize indeed... |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 03:46 AM Response to Original message |
2. I'll nvr understand the hate against vote machines. They arnt the problem, its the lack of oversight |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. There is is no way, not even in principle, that voting machines can be like ATMS |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. You seem to think that we're stuck with proprietary software, that better machines cannot be built. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
68. With ATMs and gambling machines, there is constant feedback-- |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
23. DRE's and ATMs deal with completely different problems... |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
55. You explanations are good -- I don't think your debate partner is "listening" N/T |
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Veilex (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
24. You may find this interesting...or at least eye opening... |
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Plisko (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. I loved that Dan Rather report |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. We don't "trust" ATM machines . . . we have receipts and records . . . |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
47. More money is stolen from banks via computer technology than by |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
101. Ouch!!! ----- |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
85. Voting systems in a democracy have to be transparent |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 07:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
91. This eVote-hate is like a religion to you people... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #91 |
102. Again -- using Casino gambling as a model is hilarious --- |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 04:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. So the machines at the problem...? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. The only trustworthy machines are the ones that you always check because you DON'T trust them |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 08:00 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Well, I guess since our laws are written on two stone tablets, the law can never change... |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #15 |
27. All of those above the board agencies |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
42. The law has nothing to do with it... |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Even as a DRE Opponent ... |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I respectfully (but whole-heartedly) disagree... |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Hmmmmm .... |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Good points, so here's my response in kind... |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
130. But the evidence of the votes can be tampered with. The |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
50. You seem to be totally ignorant about how computers work |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
69. It is written in the basic operating laws for any complex system |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
41. Yes, they are. |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
86. You need to educate yourself on how these systems work. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
103. Yes, the machines are the problem . . .. for more than 25 years !!!!! |
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Silver Gaia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 05:23 AM Response to Original message |
4. K&R 'bout time! |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 05:33 AM Response to Original message |
5. Whitehouse |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
6. Maybe, Just Maybe, There's Another Patriot in Congress! |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
7. By 2012 it wont matter anyway |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. I have to agree for you. Ban the damn machines now, sue the bastards who |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. you have that right and mr dlc himself nelson is involved..well that surprises me not one bit.. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Mr Nelson is a member of the Moonie 'Fellowship' |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. oh i know ..we uncovered that many years ago...MR Moonie Nelson |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. When Moon first came to the US on a trip |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Clowns in the big tent |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. so we are supposed to now believe he gives a rats ass about DRE's? |
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Broadslidin (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
8. The Corporations will Rewrite the bill..... Who runs this business, anyway.... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
11. I hope it passes- but it doesn't affect 08 like Holt would have |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. Please get your information straight...Because you're just plain wrong |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. You are correct that the bill reads as being in place for 11/08 - I doubt that it is possible after |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 08:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Luckily, we don't have to count on your demonstrably bad predictions. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
82. Do you think I am a Kathy? LOL - I hide nothing about myself Brad - from |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:55 AM Response to Reply #82 |
110. Cool. Then what's your name? Mine's Brad Friedman (and I can make my own arguments) |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 01:58 AM Response to Reply #37 |
90. I'm no fan of DREs, but even if 1/3 of voters checked the VVPAT, it would help. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:27 AM Response to Reply #90 |
109. Nope. |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:28 AM Response to Reply #109 |
119. You know 811 and Nelson require better VVPATs than that! |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #119 |
129. There ARE no "better VVPATs" and you should know that! |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
44. self delete |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
13. Like this would have happened with a republican majority |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
16. the bigger picture is DRE's will steal another election in 2008. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
17. Forget about DRE |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
19. k&r n/t |
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johnp (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
25. The machines discriminate against minorities |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Oh puleeeze!! |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
54. There are many people who have zero computer skills |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. I objected to the "poor minorities are computer illiterates" racism in the previous post. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. But other than that... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
70. As a matter of fact, they do |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
26. Computer scientists know these things are unprotectable from hackers (including inside job hacks). |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
29. If Holt had passed (w/ the Davis amendment), DREs could have been banned in '08. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. We can still have paper ballots and hand counting for 2008 --- |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #38 |
87. How are you going to accomplish that? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 01:36 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. How did they ever accomplish that? Print paper ballots -- hand count them --- !!!! |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:08 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. I don't need to be educated on electronic voting. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. I think democracy can proceed without planning on "compromise" . . . |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:03 AM Response to Reply #92 |
112. Apparently you do... |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 08:28 AM Response to Reply #112 |
122. We had a window to get Holt passed which was mandating |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #122 |
136. That window didn't exist... |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. So why didn't you "start with a stronger bill?" |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. I tried...Believe me...But PFAW stood in the way |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 09:40 PM Response to Reply #140 |
149. Did it ever occur to you that many things stood in the way of other |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 03:46 AM Response to Reply #149 |
150. It ALL occured to me, Cookie. I'm not Fox "News"...I get the facts straight... |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. You couldn't be more incorrect. Sorry. |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. As I have told you repeatedly, my state (TN) would have scrapped DREs for opscan if Holt had passed. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Good. Now about those 49 OTHER states... |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Would other DUers who believed that Holt would have helped in their states please chime in? |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 08:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. You'll need 49 of them Fly By Night! :-) |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
71. Correct. IMO, the Holt bill was a floor, not a ceiling |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Incorrect. It was not a floor, it was a failure. And they knew it. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. It is a floor if it does not actively prevent states from taking stronger measures |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:57 AM Response to Reply #84 |
111. It is a failure if it institutionalizes failed, dangerous systems & protects them via federal law |
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sonias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Absolutely agree |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. I think any bill that requires that paper be audited |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #59 |
93. Add Florida to the list. 4 down (TN, PA, CA, FL), 46 to go. |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Brad, many people here don't want to "talk" with you. Sorry. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:09 AM Response to Reply #94 |
113. I know. The folks at Diebold don't much feel like "talking" to me either. Go figure. |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #113 |
124. It may be that you see no difference between DU election reformers who are pro-Holt and Diebold. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #124 |
131. Apparently you misunderstood the point of my subject line.... |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. Unlike you, I understand the difference between Diebold and DUers who disagree w/ you. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. Unlike me, you are a great great (anonymous) person... |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 08:25 AM Response to Reply #141 |
144. I repeat: If election officials in TN/PA believed Holt required them to scrap DREs for opscan, ... |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 09:10 AM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Hey Come On Brad, you gotta know who we all are... |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 03:54 AM Response to Reply #146 |
152. Sorry Marybeth... |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 AM Response to Reply #144 |
151. Love ya, Bernie. But I stand by ALL that I've written here... |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #151 |
158. But here, on the Holt issue, I hope you notice that you are standing alone ... |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #158 |
161. Wouldn't be the first time... |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #59 |
96. Yes -- Holt, or Nelson, means an IMMEDIATE, 100% DRE BAN in Pennsylvania. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:10 AM Response to Reply #96 |
114. Yup. All the more reason that folks in PA should have fought for a good bill for ALL |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #96 |
125. Thanks, DemoD, for posting on this thread. What helps PA (and TN) to scrap DREs helps us ALL. |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Indeed. These unprotected votes that Holt might have saved COULD easily swing 2008. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. And the votes that Holt would NEVER have protected could EASILY swing '08 &every election thereafter |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #132 |
138. Holt didn't contain different regs for different states. Its impact would be similar everywhere. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. You say stuff like that, then have the temerity to question MY reporting?! |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 08:40 AM Response to Reply #142 |
145. You really do have a hearing problem, don't you? |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 04:12 AM Response to Reply #145 |
153. Nope. But you may not be hearing what you WANT to be hearing... |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 08:55 AM Response to Reply #153 |
159. Half a loaf is better than no loaf at all when our democracy is starving for verifiable elections. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 10:24 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. Holt wasn't half a loaf. It was a dry, stale lump that we ALL would have choked on... |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
104. Not sure about Kansas. |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #51 |
107. Audit of a gamed DRE? You're grasping at straws. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:16 AM Response to Reply #107 |
115. Or grasping at SCIENCE. Whatever... |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:38 AM Response to Reply #115 |
120. The bills COULD be amended to TAKE the DREs out of service. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #120 |
133. Why not amend it to simply BAN DREs? Period? |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #133 |
147. If we had ham (Holt), we could have ham & eggs (2008 election reform), if we had eggs (Nelson) |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 04:18 AM Response to Reply #147 |
154. We could have had STEAK and Eggs... |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #154 |
160. We country boys would have been happy with biscuits and sawmill gravy, ... |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. But the rest of the country needs actual nourishment... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #29 |
97. I fully agree. |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
31. By 2012??? Too late - the fascist coup in this country will be complete by then. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
32. YES!!! |
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Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
34. That's my DINO! |
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connecticut yankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
35. So what? |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
40. Who here actually believes |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
45. K&R. (nt) |
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Anwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
46. Finally. n/t |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
57. BradBlog... |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 08:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Thx Nutmegger (n/t) |
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insanity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
64. I'll never froget about DRE |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
67. i'm just... |
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Mark D. (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
72. A SOLUTION TO END THIS. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR YET. |
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Mark D. (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Well |
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Yellow Horse (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #81 |
98. What You Describe is Very Close to AccuPoll. One of the Good Guys, that was pushed under. |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Sounds way too reasonable... |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
78. 2012? That's too late! It's probably already too late. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
79. Not sure I trust Nelson. We'll need lawyers to go over that bill with a |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. There are plenty... |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #80 |
88. Since our efforts are not good enough, we need you, Brad, to |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:25 AM Response to Reply #88 |
117. Your sarcasm is very productive. Keep up the bad work. (n/t) |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
106. Thank you so very much, Brad, for all your great work, particularly |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:28 AM Response to Reply #106 |
118. Thank you, Zorra. Tough room, eh? ;-) (n/t) |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
95. We Should Have and We Could Have -- |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Amen, sister. Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to relive it. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:23 AM Response to Reply #95 |
116. But you didn't want to... |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 08:53 AM Response to Reply #116 |
123. Do you have any evidence that shows that activists supporting the |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #123 |
134. Of course I have evidence. Wouldn't have REPORTED it unless I did! |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #116 |
126. Do NOT Put Words Into My Mouth, Brad... |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #126 |
135. I didn't, and wouldn't... |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 07:49 AM Response to Reply #135 |
143. Well, thank you Brad... |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 04:30 AM Response to Reply #143 |
156. No, thank you, Marybeth... |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-09-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #156 |
165. We met a LOT of resistance on the DRE ban, too... |
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truckin (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-05-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #135 |
148. I am a supporter of the Holt Bill and I have to disagree with you |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 04:24 AM Response to Reply #148 |
155. Thanks Truckin... |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 06:09 AM Response to Reply #126 |
157. Hear! Hear! Well said. |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-06-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #157 |
164. Feel free to demonstrate your case... |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
105. That's just like The Man. |
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