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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:37 AM
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Bush tries to avert Turkish incursion into Iraq
Source: reuters

Bush tries to avert Turkish incursion into Iraq

By Caren Bohan 51 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush, facing Turkish threats of a military incursion into Iraq to root out Kurdish rebels, will assure Turkey's prime minister on Monday he is committed to helping to combat the militants.


Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, who will meet with Bush at the White House, has made clear that he wants concrete action to counter the Kurdish rebels who have been launching attacks on Turkey from Iraqi soil.

If Erdogan walks away from the meeting dissatisfied, there could be major repercussions for Bush's effort to stabilize Iraq where he has lately been touting progress.
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Ankara has said it may take cross-border action soon. The White House, fearing such action could destabilize the wider region, has been urging Turkey to refrain from a major operation in an area of Iraq that has so far escaped the violence plaguing other parts of the country.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071105/wl_nm/turkey_iraq_dc;_ylt=AtWj2.Vp79dwY4jMEg1JDbWs0NUE
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:41 AM
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1. Didnt Bush offer to bomb them for him already?
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:16 PM
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14. For whatever reason the offer was not taken seriously I believe.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:44 AM
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2. Send Condi Rice, why don't you?
She did so well with Pakistan, right?

In fact, send her to Iran so Cheney can invade. That would be perfect. A complete and utter disaster throughout the middle east and asia, with China and Russia combining forces to protect Iran, India getting ready for war with Pakistan, nukes in Pakistan running loose and heading towards the Afghan border, Iraq continuing to fall apart, Israel getting really dodgy and worried because the US promises one thing, and fucks up with another, yeah, that's the ticket.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:49 AM
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3. rodeo, think of this alternative universe
we accept Iran's offer to make peace with Israel, chase down the Taliban and Al Qaida, and accept their approach on future relations.
we do NOT invade Iraq, which allows the Kurds to attack Iran and Turkey at will.
we stay in Afghanistan and set up a real country, not a Kabul based city-state.
Israel does not follow our suggestions and strong hints to invade Lebanon.
Syria does not feel forced to act and react against Israel because of US pressure.
Pakistan is not forced to attack its extremist muslims who are not pissed off about an Iraq invasion.
Pakistan does not declare martial law and start arresting judges and lawyers.
Yemen does not have anti-american riots.
We don't unify shia and sunni on one issue, namely, their hatred of the US.


Wow. How badly did BushCo fuck up?
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:50 AM
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4. He ain't got the juice.
He ain't got the respect or gravitas.

Medusa's Box.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:54 AM
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5. Knowing how W has what's known as
The anti-Midas Touch, and EVERYTHING the man has touched throughout pretty much his ENTIRE life, has turned to shit.

I'm fully expecting that because of W's "intervention" Turkey will invade Kurdish Iraq.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:00 PM
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6. stability is an unworthy mission
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 12:02 PM by Enrique
sez neocon Michael Ledeen...

http://www.army.mil/professionalwriting/volumes/volume3/october_2005/10_05_3_pf.html

"We do not want stability in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and even Saudi Arabia. . . . The real issue is not whether, but how to destabilize. We have to ensure the fulfillment of the democratic revolution." --Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute, 2002



http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp050922.shtml

It is for this reason that the neoconservatives have made a very powerful argument, he goes on to say, and he quotes a man named Michael Ledeen, who is not just some newspaper reporter or somebody drifting in off the street. He was the former U.S. Under Secretary of State and he stated, "Stability is an unworthy American mission." This is a man who was in the State Department, saying that stability is an unworthy American mission and a misleading concept to boot. He said we do not want stability in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, or even Saudi Arabia. We want things to change. The issue is not whether but how to destabilize.

Think about that. The minds in the State Department, and this is an Under Secretary of State saying we want to destabilize.


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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:15 PM
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7. They seem to be getting what they want
We got NATO member Turkey launching incursions into NATO-member-occupied Iraq. We got nuclear power Pakistan on the verge of a government collapse, and we got nuclear power USA threatening to attack Iran.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue...

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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:16 PM
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8. bush* needs the Kurds
(a guess as usual)

If bush* is planning to do to Iran what seems to happening to Iraq, i.e. splitting it up into more 'comfortable' pieces, then the Kurds in Northern(?) Iran are a nice vehicle.

Which means the Kurds will want a unified state including those in Southern Turkey.

Bad luck Turkey.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:27 PM
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9. This would all be hilarious if it were only a skit on SNL or Mad TV.
That's how bad a joke this presidency has become. Their disastrous list of "accomplishments" and the predictably ominous after effects is like the punch line from some dark comedy skit and it's getting more and more absurd the longer it goes on.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:55 PM
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11. nuke armed, changing the rules of engagement, and a joke.
damn that is scary.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:39 PM
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10. Perhaps Nutsy Caligula can threaten them with DubyaDubyaThree.
n/t
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 05:14 PM
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12. Too bad no one stopped his expensive and deadly incursion into Iraq.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 05:49 PM
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13. Did B*sh say he would give them some kind of ground
presence or not?? Ours or Iraqis or them to some limit? Was it just platitudes??

He is so far beyond selling promises now.

What did he really say - in some concrete thing?

Joe

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