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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:15 PM
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India worried about disintegration of Pakistan: US scholar
Source: Rediff.com


India worried about disintegration of Pakistan: US scholar

A noted American scholar on Tuesday said that there are real concerns in India as to what would happen in case Pakistan unravels under the current situation in that country.

"In a way they (Indians) are starting to get very edgy as to what could happen if Pakistan really unravels and whether in that case there would be millions of Pakistanis trying to cross the border to enter India," Daniel Markey, Council for Foreign Relations' senior fellow for India, Pakistan, and South Asia, said.

Markey said during his recent visit to India he heard a number of Indian raising this issue."There are real concerns on that, which they feel would be fundamentally destabilising for India," he said. He said there are real concerns in India about Pakistan becoming a weakened, a failing state unlike in the past when concerns in India mainly revolved about Islamabad being a rival, a challenger or a threatening state...



Read more: http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/nov/06pakemergency14.htm



What will happen to all those call centers and IT jobs?...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:21 PM
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1. Anyone remember this episode of Stargate: SG-1? Icon, EPISODE NUMBER - 805
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 02:21 PM by IanDB1


EPISODE NUMBER - 805
ORIGINAL U.S. AIR DATE - 08.06.04
SYNDICATION AIR DATE - 10.17.05
WRITTEN BY - Damian Kindler
DIRECTED BY - Peter F. Woeste
GUEST STARRING - Matthew Bennett (Jarrod Kane), Amy Sloan (Leda), Timothy Webber (Commander Gareth), James Kidnie (Soren), Gary Jones (Technician), Richard Side (Guide), Leanne Adachi (Rebel Aide), Preston Cook (Radio Man), Charles Zuckermann (Rebel Soldier)
Daniel is stranded on another planet after the team's arrival on an alien world sparks a
violent civil war.

<snip>

Shortly after a startled tourist group witnesses the relic of their Stargate open for the first time in the middle of a museum, Colonel Carter, Dr. Jackson and Teal'c step through to be greeted by delegates from the world. Many here had dismissed the possibility that the Stargate is a mystical power source for ancient gods. The team is warned that there are even those who might consider this new reality a threat.

One month later, Daniel reports that his negotiations between the Rand Protectorate (the government in possession of the Stargate) and the Caledonian Federation (a rival nation) have only been moderately successful. Both governments have enough firepower to wipe out the other -- but the real problem is Soren, the leader of a radical group who still believe in the ancient gods. They believe SG-1's arrival has verified their beliefs, and thus made a touchy situation worse. Daniel insists he must return to help, and eventually persuades General O'Neill to allow him to go back to the planet.

Two weeks later, Daniel has been unsuccessful in brokering a truce. The religious zealot, Soren, has gathered his forces from across the country and is now a major threat. The Rand have been forced to heighten their alert status to match that of the rival nation. Minister Treydan of the Caledonians swears to Commander Gareth that if the Rand are unable to secure Soren and his forces, the Caledonians will be forced to strike to prevent the radicals from taking over.

Rebel forces have detonated devices very near to one of the Rands missile facilities. Shortly afterward they use it to strike at Caledonia. Gareth's second, Jarrod Kane, reports that the facility is now compromised. Soren's forces attack the Rand's command bunker, and Kane attempts to get Daniel to the Stargate before government falls -- but is shot in the leg by the insurgents. Daniel and Kain escape together to the surface, and Gareth is executed soon after.

Both sides are left in ruins, with Soren now in control of the Rand Protectorate -- and the Stargate.


More:
http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s8/805.shtml
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:24 PM
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3. I was just thinking about that!
Stargate's always been weirdly prescient like that, though.
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Darth Lenore Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:04 PM
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5. And then wasn't there a follow up ep...?
Yeah, I remember that one. It was good, even though I wanted to punch Daniel in the throat through most of it (although, that really tends to be my default setting when it comes to him).

And wasn't there a follow up ep in S9 where the two sides nuked each other out of existence?
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:22 PM
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2. They should be
Pakistan is the proud owner of possibly as many as 100 nuclear weapons, which could go up for grabs should Pakistan collapse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Pakistan.27s_Nuclear_Arsenal

The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) estimates that Pakistan has built 24-48 HEU-based nuclear warheads with HEU reserves for 30-52 additional warheads.<8><9> The US Navy Center for Contemporary Conflict estimates that Pakistan possesses between a low of 35 and a high of 95 nuclear warheads, with a median of 60.<10>

The NRDC's and the Carnegie Foundation's estimates of approximately 50 weapons are from 2002-3 estimations. In 2000, US Military intelligence estimated that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal may be as large as 100 warheads.<11>. The actual size is hard for experts to gauge owing to the secrecy which surrounds the program in Pakistan.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:28 PM
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4. Pakistan is unlikely to fall
with us in the background allowing Musharraf to do anything he needs to get things back under control.

Expect a bloodbath coming to Pakistan soon.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 04:19 PM
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6. If Pakestan falls, India has a serious problem along with the rest
of the world. But they are next door to it.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:08 PM
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7. Maybe they can fail upward
Maybe the International Supreme Court can appoint them to be in charge of the world. Maybe they can all be the Deciders.

Oh wait, they weren't born in to the right caste and sent to privileged private schools, what was I thinking? :silly: :silly:
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:21 PM
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8. The real danger is a nuclear war.
India has already said that it has the "right" to carry out pre-emptive nuclear strikes against Pakistan if it believes that India is in imminent danger. It has also said in the past that nuclear weapons in the hands of anyone but the Pakistani military qualifies as "imminent danger".

If Pakistan were to devolve into a civil war and Musharraf lost control of his missile launchers, an Indian initiated nuclear exchange becomes a VERY REAL possibility. These two countries were in open warfare with each other as recently as 1999 and came withing a hairs breath of a nuclear exchange in 2002. As India's Military Minister put it, "We may lose a city or two, but when we fire back there will be no more Pakistan."

A nuclear exchange between these two countries would lead to a body count that could easily eclipse World War 2. Pakistan and India have nearly 1.3 billion people between them...a handful of nuclear detonations could quickly eclipse the 70 million WW2 dead.
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