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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:32 AM
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Criminal probe opened in Bay oil spill
Source: Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO - The entire crew of the cargo ship that sideswiped a bridge, causing San Francisco Bay's worst oil spill in nearly two decades, has been detained as part of a criminal investigation, a Coast Guard official said Sunday.

Capt. William Uberti said he notified the U.S. attorney's office on Saturday about issues involving management and communication among members of the bridge crew: the helmsman, the watch officer, the ship's master and the pilot.

The entire crew of the Cosco Busan, which disgorged 58,000 gallons of oil into the Bay on Wednesday, is being detained on the ship for questioning, said Uberti, head of the Coast Guard for Northern California.

Uberti declined to specify what problems he reported. Federal prosecutors did not return a call seeking comment on Sunday.

Darrell Wilson, a representative for Regal Stone Ltd, the Hong Kong-based company who owns the ship, would not talk about the federal probe. "I really don't have anything I can comment on," he said.

A preliminary Coast Guard investigation found that human error, not mechanical failure, caused the ship to crash into a support on the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071112/ap_on_re_us/bay_spill



Don't mess with California.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:35 AM
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1. Don't mess with California, is right!
We take very seriously the condition of the beautiful San Francisco Bay ...

And all our waterways...

:grr:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:45 AM
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3. I wish that were true....
The San Francisco Bay has been an ongoing ecological disaster for more than 25 years, resulting from introduced and invasive species, disruption of natural hydrologic regimes, and runoff from agricultural and urban sources, along with the usual point source polluters. This is just the latest in a long series of assaults on the ecological integrity of the bay-- and unfortunately, it comes at a time when the bay is especially fragile. I'm really worried about this spill. One of my grad students is going down to train volunteers rescuing birds-- maybe she'll have some info about bird mortality in the coming days. But I fear that the greatest damage will be to the already hosed shallow water benthic invertebrate community.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:50 AM
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5. Are "shallow water benthic invertebrates" worms?
Speak English! lol
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:01 AM
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8. lots of different worms, mollusks, copepods, other crustaceans...
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 01:05 AM by mike_c
...and so on. One of the richest marine communities on the planet. Google "invasive species san francisco bay" for some initial info on how bad the situation is in the bay and the estuary-- BEFORE a major oil spill. Fifty-eight thousand gallons of spilled fuel is bad, but probably not TOO bad. But some parts of the bay will likely be impacted for many years, and the whole bay is teetering on the edge of ecological collapse already.

on edit-- the effect on birds is only the beginning, and for most people, the most visible outcome. But it is only the beginning.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:11 AM
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14. I know. There's no way to really clean this up, no matter the hype.
There's no Dustbuster that can take that cr@P out of the sand or the water. And there goes the whole chain backwards and forwards. There are tiny puffins that nest on the beach here. They look like bubbles. They're not going to make it. And we can see them. :(
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:40 AM
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2. Between stuff like this and government losing nukes . .... imagine what's really going on!!!! ???
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:48 AM
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4. Our poor birds! I read last night that 75% of the affected ones
will die no matter what. It's enough to break your heart.

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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:57 AM
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6. I was part of the Angel Island crew
It was heart-breaking.

Those birds were all fouled-up.

Floundering around down on the beach.

And they would flop back into the scum whenever we approached (and we all pretty know our way around the animal thing).

Fucking Coast Guard idiots.

Stupid fucking Pilot.

Asleep at the switch Harbor Master.

You don't simply "run into" the fucking Bay Bridge.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:01 AM
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9. WTF happened? The pilot was drug tested. Was the Coast Guard?
It's gone all the way to Point Isabel. This is going to set the bay back decades.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:07 AM
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12. From another thread...
And damned right it is going to be a long time.

With an average depth of 11 (eleven) feet and a totally fouled-up floor, this will take a while.

It is all over our part of the Bay.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3062945&mesg_id=3062982



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3062945&mesg_id=3062982
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:59 AM
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7. We really need more regulation on what goes on with these ships
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:12 AM
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15. Unfortunately, we needed it 40 years ago and heed to warnings --- !!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:21 AM
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16. No kidding. I see them every day on our walks.
They're big and they move fast and thinking back, I'm surprised this hasn't happened more often. :(
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:02 AM
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10. The probe should start with the Coast Guard.
WTF were those folks thinking?

First, they passed it of as "inconsequential".

And then it was all over us.

There were threads here about what a pass-off it was.

The Coast Guard was anything but, on this one.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:06 AM
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11. Exactly. Wtf happened with them?
:shrug:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:26 PM
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18. Absolutely. And look how long it took to open this criminal probe.
The probe should include the Coast Guard's public dismissal of the severity of the spill.

And while I'm at it, we need a better word than "spill". That language is fixed and I don't like it either.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:53 AM
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21. No, it should start with the ship crew that can't figure there's a big bridge
in front of them and steer out of the way.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:09 AM
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13. What's the press been doing with this --- I haven't noticed much in paper --???
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:12 AM
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17. Conspiracy theory says: Like 9-11, maybe the Coast Guard was ordered to
'stand down', look askance while oil seeped across the Bay. With the once precious Bay area deemed unusable to the public, what use will it be but ummmm, maybeeee off shore oil drilling?

Has big oil ever eyed the SF Bay area for drilling? Have they been prevented only by the environmentalists and laws unwilling to bend in favor of off shore drilling.

After Bush/Cheney and the politics of 'anything for oil', I think conspiracy, first.

Just saying, maybe...
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:04 PM
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19. Considering all that is happening I wouldn't be surprised one bit.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 09:28 PM
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20. "Nobody Could Have Predicted That There Would be FOG in SAN FRANCISCO BAY"


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