Former pilots and officials call for new U.S. UFO probe

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic U.S. presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich may have been ridiculed for saying he had seen a UFO, but for some former military pilots and other observers, unidentified flying objects are no laughing matter.

An international panel of two dozen former pilots and government officials called on the U.S. government on Monday to reopen its generation-old UFO investigation as a matter of safety and security given continuing reports about flying discs, glowing spheres and other strange sightings.

"Especially after the attacks of 9/11, it is no longer satisfactory to ignore radar returns ... which cannot be associated with performances of existing aircraft and helicopters," they said in a statement released at a news conference.

The panelists from seven countries, including former senior military officers, said they had each seen a UFO or conducted an official investigation into UFO phenomena.



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a name for Timmy....Russturd. I like it!

Thank god! I've had just about enough.

Think of the atom bomb, this came out of a corner of science, was known only to a few, and became such a HUGE thing. Are they crazy to investigate lights in the sky that may be a similar technology, known only to few? HELL NO! I've seen some fascinating UFO footage...Some of it really raises concerns, like the "jellyfish" UFOs:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6764150767988135047
The liquidity of their shape strikes me as what might occur were invisible beams were to converge at a point in space such that their combined energy was able to luminesce something in the atmosphere, like a hologram in the sky.

demanding the government declassify their UFO files.

--IMM

including the Area 51 workers exposed to toxic chemicals used on the skins of still secret stealth aircraft.

All information should be released to the public. I'm ready. If they've compiled an alien dictionary, I want to see that too.

--IMM

...IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!

One of my favorite episodes.

"to service man"

:rofl:

Everyone who speaks of UFOs with derision is woefully wrongheaded, IMO. Too many people have seen too many things that cannot be explained by the old chestnut of "weather phenomena".

Something is, and has been, going on, and for a very long time. I seriously doubt it's aliens. Given the performance of some of the things people have seen, I doubt strongly that any form of petroleum product is involved in their propulsion. That alone, if true, is more than enough reason for vested interests to keep it all a secret... until "necessary".

Would oil companies try to keep secret a technology that would make them largely obsolete? I think that answer goes without saying. Note, I'm NOT saying that this is the case. It's a reason, however bad a reason it might be, for them to keep such technology covered up for as long as possible.

The thing is that oil companies have not enjoyed global reach until recently. If the USSR, which had its oil nationalized, could have prevented its economic collapse with free energy it would have. And then we would be forced to do the same to keep up, oil companies be damned.

I think if its actually craft they are either powered by something really radioactive or otherwise dark and dangerous or expensive, which would explain why their widespread adoption would be considered so dangerous/expensive the Soviet Union had to fall rather than deploy it widely.

If this "transportation" technology exists, but defense against it does not, then governments and military structures would want to keep it a secret on those grounds alone.

Interestingly, this argument also suggests that anti-stealth technology exists, due to the declassification of the stealth aircraft...Do you believe it does?

And yet it would all make sense. They have the energy technology to solve the global warming problem, so they manufacture a war in the Middle East to jack up oil prices for several years, and sell as much of it as possible before they need to break it out and start implementing it before the planet goes to shit. It's just sinister enough to make people think it's too sinister to actually be true.

In any case, I don't think it's that outlandish. Especially in the military context, you know they recruit the best scientists to work on weapons technology. It makes sense that big scientific breakthroughs would come from those scientists rather than some University scientists. Just think of the funding disparity.

but the suicidal greed I think comes from the people you are seeing controlling this now ---
Cheney/Bush and the people they are making war for . . .

About a dozen years ago, in the main section of the NY Times, there was a small article on OPEC . . . and they were basically asking if . . . "when the times comes that OPEC has to curtail or stop petroleum production because of Global Warming, can we be given subsidies?"

In other words, some of them were thinking that we might pay them to stop producing oil as Global Warming became more evident. They knew how serious it was. If anyone knows, it is the oil industry!

ExxonMobil, of course, continued on -- and still does -- propagandize at huge expense to keep the public from fully understanding the threat of GW to humans and the planet, itself.

We are suffering the consequences of 2,000 years and more of patriarchal insanities ---
their license to exploit -- "Manifest Destiny" --- and their war on nature.

only we have been trying to ignore these visitations ---

Pesumably these visitors are a million years ahead of us --- in some cases, a billion years ---

We are hybrids --- read the Bible and you will see that ---

Truman made clear --- these UFOs are not us and not the Russians ---

There are questions as to whether humans are at a level of intelligence where they could deal with this ---

and some of the posts make me wonder ---

Some fascinating depictions in their hieroglyphics.

Which is interesting because the only thing flying in the middle ages was birds. Maybe it was just swamp gas...........

Interesting that you mentioned Truman, defendandprotect. If you look at some the government documents from the late forties and early fifties is seems like the government was taking UFO's very seriously. Now, the people in the government at that time were no-nonsense type of people, they had just went through a economic depression and the biggest war in history. Yet they were concerned about UFO's. Stuff like this makes you wonder........but I hate to say it, the government will never tell us what it knows about UFO's.

see if any of them could help us stop global warming or at least to get rid of some of the water that's going to be drowning our silly human race

and when they couldn't get response from government --- I presume --- they began abductions ---
presumably they'll save some humans.

In other words, the gene poll will continue on !!! Uh . .. oh . . .

The early abductions seemed to contain many warnings --- very complicated warnings ---
video screens, etal --- of future planetary upheaval due to Global Warming, pollution of the planet --- and nuclear war.

I'm a little out of touch with what the nature of abductions are now --- but it seems that the lack of "warnings" seem to suggest it's too late.

Here's an interestin site I came upon at Project Camelot --
they have a lot of interviews . . .

I thought the one with Bob Dean --- if you're familiar with him ---
fascinating --- sadly so ---

http://www.projectcamelot.net/interviews.html

A waste of time and money.

Unless the universe was created by something, I *DON'T* doubt there is more life out there somewhere.

I just don't think "ufos" are strong evidence for it.

I believe ufos are real but I think that they have nothing to do with life off the planet. More than likely they're top secret vehicles of various governments.

Most people see lights or odd shapes. Some people see vehicles which turn oddly and speed away.

Lights... are easy. Odd shapes... I often imagine it wouldn't be that difficult to make a saucer shaped helicopter, just use a harrier jet like thrust system to keep it stable, the helicopter blade would be inside the saucer. *WE* could easily do that.

I saw a show on the new joint strike fighters a couple years back I think, might have been another jet. They have a new thrust nozzle design that lets a fighter make these extremely crazy practically 90 degree turns.

If they're aliens from another planet, so what... proof of life on other planets won't really change anything. If they exist and they want the populations of the world to know it, they wouldn't just pop into view then leave. It makes no sense.

If it's just government technology then we'll never get a straight answer no matter how many probes are begged for.

So really, just what is the point?

We've been trying to duplicate what these machines can do ---
they're a million years ahead of us --- at the least --- some a billion years ---

Do you seriously think that if we had machines like this we wouldn't be using them?
Since the 1940's . . . and even earlier than that?

The Romans knew -- the French knew 20,000 years ago --- the native Americans knew ---

only we are dumb enough not to know --- ???

While I will never say never, I always get a chuckle over UFO stuff.

When one considers the unimagineable size of the known universe and the trillions of stars scattered from one end to the other, why would any extraterrestrial pick our tiny, tiny speck of dust planet to visit? I have found it difficult to imagine that we are truly that special of a planet that would warrant a visit.

To suggest that the discovery of an extra-terrestrial civilization would be of little interest is silly.

I never wrote that discovering extraterrestrial life would NOT be of interest. I wrote that it is highly unlikely that an extraterrestrial civilization would bother with visiting our insignificant planet.

and thus would be of some interest.

And I think there is much more evidence that would suggest there is some interest in our planet.

They would be interested, but not enough to stop at such an insignificant planet. I'd argue it is relatively unique but don't think we're going to get anywhere when we can't even agree on that much.

extraterrestrial interests and standards matched your reasoning, or if humans were the only life form. However, I saw a fascinating nature program yesterday that showed amazing species from the bottom of the ocean, as well as mentioning that the "roof" of the rainforest contained thousands upon thousands of species of insects that have never even been identified. There are, literally, MILLIONS of species of life here - both known and unknown, on land, in the sea, in the air; in deserts, forests, frozen lands, fresh and salt water; from subzero environments to volcanic "vents." I would think that this alone would merit interplanetary interest.

And then there is plant life: trees, flowering plants, ferns, algae, fungi, fruit, lichens, conifers, and so much more! Then bacteria, viruses, prions, and who know what else?

And all the civilizations of humankind, the cultures, history, law, languages, science and medicine. The mysteries of reproduction, growth, and learning, of social interaction.

Then, the geology: the tectonic plates, the fresh water, the oceans and glaciers, the continental drift, mountain ranges, deserts, earthquakes, tidal waves, volcanic eruptions. And the atmosphere - clouds, weather patterns, changing seasons, storms, climatic change. And all, in conjunction with teeming life!

There is so much that is so familiar to us, that it is all taken for granted. Sometimes it helps to see with fresh eyes.

I can think of two in recent memory that were later revealed to be military aircraft. God knows, we spend enough on black budget R&D, 'they' could have built an engine that can shift dimensions and travel faster than light, and we'd never know a thing about it.

Not that they did that exactly, but the secret could be kept if they had. For decades, even... if the "right" people are kept in the dark.

These craft represent power --- if we had it, we'd be using it long, long ago ---

You're talking about ancient information ---

these visitors may have been visiting us for 375,000 years ---

engineering us -- physically and mentally ---

Some of them consider us "their children."

And -- - they think we're behaving BADLY!!!

:)

:shrug:

supposedly there are 57 "Heinz" varities of aliens ---

presumably different stories ---

However, some of them may need our DNA . . .

If you read the Bible, you'll note this wouldn't be the first coupling with aliens ---

Also -- we hear of minerals they require which we have on this planet.

57 varities --- 11 different dimensions ---

You ready?

I heard the story about "minerals" too but nobody ever said which substances they need. Those telling the story are so breathless and yet...

one is borax . . . available here in the NE ---

but you ignore the question: Are you ready?

Or, is the supposed fear of public reaction just a gimmick to keep things covered up?

Maybe some will react well, some will not?


I can't totally dismiss arguments about reaction --- but I don't totally trust them.

It has benefited the few to keep alien visitation hidden ---
Those who control our wealth and resources didn't want this kind of change --
or loss of control. And, they've held on very well.

PLUS they are always eager for weaponry -- these visitors have knowledge which those among us want to convert to weapons. Typical violent response from our planet is STAR WARS.

Supposedly we are NOT the only planet undergoing being shuffled into a more cosmic era ---
evidently, we and some other planets have been isolated from a more general universe and other species.

Presumably, our abuse of our planet will probably move this along faster than might have happened before Global Warming's threat.


Additionally, life is eternal --- and most of that info has now been blocked by patriarchy --- it became inconvenient for them. In fact, all of the major religions used to teach reincarnation.

Am I ready... for what?

Co-mingling with ETs? Well, I don't know what my husband would say. ;)

and probably the least intelligent species in the universe?

<snicker>
I want a snicker smilie! I'm not trying to diminish importance of the topic or anything, but you sound like you're taking this too seriously.

Am I ready to understand that as a Created/Bio-engineered being I'm probably the least intelligent species in the Universe? I'm not really impressed with the idea so I guess that means I'm ready. Thumbs and all.



See you at the Rapture!
:hi:

You really did make me laugh ---

but we've been dumb enough to let the oil industry --- the few families controlling our natural resources --- set us up for Global Warming, lie to us about it for decades ---
and we now face an end to our species and no one is sure if the planet will keep turning or also be a thing of the past.


Re this . . .

QUOTE: Am I ready to understand that as a Created/Bio-engineered being I'm probably the least intelligent species in the Universe? I'm not really impressed with the idea so I guess that means I'm ready. Thumbs and all.UNQUOTE

Since the Orson Wells/Halloween UFO bit, there has always been a discussion about whether the public can handle such news. What do you think?

Supposedly, US GOV people controlling this info are split --- some think yes, some think NO!

IMO, it might really be more about powerful people in our country not wanting to give up OIL . .. give up war . .. give up control and power? Give up weapons --- Star Wars?


Also -- no . . . we're not less intelligent because we're engineered --- we're less intelligent because we're late starters. Supposedly they are a million or more years ahead of us --- some a billion years. Also, I understand we are not the only isolated planet facing this "news."
But there seems to be a coming move to shuffle us all into the cosmic community.
How do you approach this --- with fear, or with friendly anticipation?

So -- is our planet ready for this news?

would be lost to the power hungry greedy leaders of the world because by allowing such information to become factual would lessen the hold the leaders have over the people with religious doctrine, all would become mute and no longer adhered to as being the truth.

If you think about it, in many ways religious doctrine is used for nothing more than to control the population through fear and intimidation, the bibles, many different religious ones are filled with fear mongering and intimadation...

Why would they give up such an easy way to control the populace?

which has nothing to do with organized patriarchal religions --

However, religious doctrine is not only used to control the population . . .
"Manifest Destiny" and "Man's Dominion Over Nature" are licenses for the few to exploit
mature, natural resources, animal-life -- and even other human beings according to various
myths of inferiority ---

Thus patriarchy's invention of religion would undermine their "god" given right to exploit!

We get the picture....

I mean, that is why some alien life would be interested... Whether or not they actually came here is something only Bill Gates knows.

and you know that's all the reason they need

It frustrates me how any discussion of UFOs leads most people to jump to some pretty rash conclusions.

1. I believe that UFOs exist, but I do not think they are extra-terrestrial.
2. I believe the existence of other life in the universe is practically a statistical certainty. However, that doesn't mean I believe that said life would visit Earth. Why the heck would they?

If there's one theme in the evolution of scientific discovery on Earth it's that humankind is constantly over-estimating its own importance. We're not the planet's only tool makers. We're not at the center of the solar system or the center of the universe. And we are definitely not the must-see destination in the universe. We're more like the Branson, Missouri.

I mean come on now why and the heck would anyone?

and it's species cumulated body of knowledge. I've seen UFOs and they certainly could not have been made by us at this point of our technological development. I don't know what created them, piloted them, etc.-but I am wise enough to know that what I DON'T KNOW about the universe far, far outweighs what I do. We aren't the only species here. There could be millions of reasons for other life forms to pay this planet a visit, I won't venture a guess as to why those things are here. I only know that I and others saw something that we can't easily explain, and my sense was that they were/ are something apart from us.

Apparently we've had a similar experience as well as a similar reaction. While I have no doubt some people have observed secret craft built by our government, those sightings cannot account for all of the odd craft seen. I have no idea what I saw or where they came from, but I know what they were not. "We" didn't build them. The experience left me with a huge question mark: nothing more, and nothing less.

Country music fans like Branson. I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just thought that I would point that out.

...don't we have enough problems on earth to deal with? Maybe like war, disease, and poverty, perhaps? We don't need to put our heads in outer space.

Evidently there is debate among those controlling this information ---

a split -- some think that our planet is ready to receive confirmation that this is real --

that we are being visited by ET's --- 57 different species --- 11 dimensions ---

Are we ready ???

Or not???


And consider this --- these visitors are a million years ahead of us --- in some cases a billion --

We are evidently engineered hybrids ---

Some of them consider us "their children" --- and think we are "behaving badly."

"somewhere else." "Here" is just a frame of reference to describe the observers' viewpoint. Vibrate with me for a while that we might share perspective. Aum.

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Since our only detailed knowledge, in the ordinary sense, is about intelligent life on Earth - i.e. since our sample size is a single item, making any kind of generalizations about our uniqueness or interest to other intelligent species seems unwarranted. We could easily be unique in some way, making us interesting to visit. We can't know otherwise until we get a wider perspective, which perspective would also obviate the discussion. :-)

they are a million years ahead of us or more --- in some cases, a billion years.

We are unique in our violence --- and I'd suggest that the NOISE of atomic bombs going off probably brought them running!

Supposedly, some of the aliens who look like us may be mixed in here and there trying to change things --- perhaps at the Pentagon? That question evidently alarmed and frightened a number of Generals --- !!!

Evidently some of them consider us their "children" . . . ???

At any rate, looks like we are hybrids and the subject of genetic engineering ---

What's your opinion on how earth might greet the visitors?

Star Wars or kindness --- ????

Evidently, some of them have fallen into our care --
called "guests" ---
and one witness said that one of the survivors was being transported in a cage.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-09-2007/0004622258&EDATE=

If the investigators find something (which I highly doubt), it will confirm their beliefs. If they find nothing, it's just more proof of a government cover-up. Somehow people who doubt the competence of government to do anything believe that the government can keep the lid on this vast conspiracy.

from what is really important. The sad thing is it is disproportionately those that care about the world, that have aspirations to intelligence, that wish to make a difference, that seem to fall for this crap every time.