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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:48 PM
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U.S. Army Reiterates Waterboarding Ban
Source: Associated Press

U.S. Army Reiterates Waterboarding Ban

Tuesday November 13, 2007 6:31 PM

By PAMELA HESS

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - With Congress' approval of a new
attorney general who refused to describe waterboarding
as torture, the U.S. Army has sent out a message to its
leaders repeating that the interrogation technique is
prohibited in the military.

The service issued the Nov. 6 message “to eliminate any
confusion that may have arisen as a result of recent
public discourse on the subject.”

The U.S. military formally banned waterboarding as an
interrogation technique in September 2006.

However, at Senate confirmation hearings last month,
then-attorney general nominee Michael Mukasey
repeatedly refused to say whether he considers
waterboarding a form of torture, as claimed by an
unlikely coalition of military officials, doctors and
humans rights groups.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-7074275,00.html
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:50 PM
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1. The Army seems clear on the law
I wonder why the Attorney General doesn't know the law? Another hack appointment, thank you Sen. Schumer.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:51 PM
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2. protecting people from prosecution, obviously.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 02:48 PM
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5. The generals know more than the Attorney General.
But then some generals get promoted for competence, unlike recent AGs.
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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 02:07 AM
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20. Re: clear as far as public consumption goes
But, then what sort of foul propaganda against our forces would the following YouTube videio clip represent?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GcXl1y_mQw

Or maybe that's from the Navy/Marines, not the Army.

If the debate on waterboarding were all this clear, why would it still be an issue, unless they are using it?

Duuuuh!
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 02:26 PM
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3. Did the military perform water boarding prior to September 2006?
If not, why specify a date?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 02:31 PM
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4. Somehow I don't Think It Was the Army Doing It in the First Place
and although the announcement is reassuring, there are so many other actors in this little psychodrama to keep an eye on....
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:57 PM
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6. I'm not worried about the Army. I'm worried about the CIA and mercenaries.
They were (and probably are) the ones torturing prisoners.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:19 AM
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7. Army sends a reminder: Waterboarding is off-limits
Source: ap



Army sends a reminder: Waterboarding is off-limits




Associated Press - November 13, 2007 5:33 PM ET

PENTAGON (AP) - Just in case anyone is unclear, waterboarding is banned in the U.S. military.

The U.S. Army has sent that message out to its leaders. It came as Congress approved a new attorney general who refused to describe waterboarding as torture.

The Army says the message is aimed at eliminating "any confusion that may have arisen" during the public discussion of the issue.


Read more: http://www.wbay.com/global/story.asp?s=7355138
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:19 AM
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8. As of September 2006
The U.S. military formally banned waterboarding as an interrogation technique in September 2006.

No word on what the policy was, prior to that date.

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:19 AM
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13. The policy prior to that was a ban on torture.
Because of the criminal policies of the Bush cabal, the Army had to specify that it disagrees with criminals Bush / Cheney, and anyone else who thinks waterboarding is not torture. The Army had to make clear that waterboarding IS torture and is directly contradicting the Bush cabal. The Army is doing the right thing here.

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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:19 AM
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14. We don't know that, but we can hope.
In an interview with British Broadcasting Corp. radio broadcast Tuesday (Jun 15, 2004), Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski said Miller told her last autumn that prisoners "are like dogs, and if you allow them to believe at any point that they are more than a dog then you've lost control of them."

Karpinski said that during a visit to Iraq in September, Miller - still the commander at the Guantanamo Bay prison - spoke of wanting to "Gitmoize" Abu Ghraib by applying the Cuban facility's regimented detention and interrogation techniques. "He talked about Gitmoizing in terms of what the (military police) were going to do; he was going to select the MPs, they were going to receive special training," she said. "That training was going to come from the military intelligence command," Karpinski added, noting that the troops under her command had no training in such interrogation techniques.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2004/06/15/190/84515


We all know that what went on in Abu Ghraib was also torture and, by extension, what was going on at Gitmo as well.



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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:17 PM
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17. What happened at Abu Ghraib was a crime.
The Army has made it clear that waterboarding is a crime in the Army as well.

General Miller is a criminal and Karpinski was incompetent.

It doesn't change what has happened here.

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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:19 AM
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9. but the Army can't speak for the CIA can it? n/t
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:19 AM
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10. Bingo...
Last time I checked, CIA wasn't military.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:19 AM
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11. Guess the jihadi's can "breathe" a sigh of relief
unless it's only a plan to spread the rumor of a false sense of security throughout jihadi land
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:19 AM
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12. as if the only people in danger of torture were jihadis?
.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:19 AM
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15. Does that also apply to our mercenary, intelligence, and gulag personnel?
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 11:28 PM by rocknation
As well as the foreign countries to whom we've outsourced the work?

:headbang:
rocknation
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:19 AM
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16. Nope


This apparently is still OK

Provided you don't photograph it and take it home as a souvenir
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:24 PM
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18. I doubt Iraqi's will follow the rule
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 07:27 PM by ohio2007
although they have a knack for dealing out punishment the old fashioned middle east way.

warning;
this might be Saudi or Egyptian justice being dispensed
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=30f_1195026144
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 01:49 AM
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19. What's your point?
The US has violated the rules of land warfare from the get-go in Iraq.

We need to restore discipline in the military and abide by international laws and treaties.

Iraqi insurgents don't take too many prisoners but we hold their entire country prisoner.

I'm just curious what the point is of people who point out that the insurgents don't follow the rules (as if US forces have adhered to them completely).

That the US should do the same?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:38 AM
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21. You didn't see Saddam ?
about thw 1:06 mark of the news video you can see a happy fellow taking it all in.
Meanwhile,Iraqi insurgents do make videos of their prisoners before they......

It's a shame that the entire news report wasn't shown,just the 'cherry picked' excerpt. You have to pay very close attention to the last few seconds of the video to see it was a foreign news story.( but from where? )


Give them back their country, let them weed out the troublemakers using an iron hand instead of womens panties.
Let the majority hand pick the next Saddam/Hugo-wanna be presedent for life.
The insurgents respect brutal force.

Those are the rules of war that are understood.

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