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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:27 PM
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Reid Threatens Funds for Iraq War
Source: LAT/AP

By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer
November 13, 2007

WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday that Democrats won't approve more money for the Iraq war this year unless President Bush agrees to begin bringing troops home. By the end of the week, the House and Senate planned to vote on a $50 billion measure for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. The bill would require Bush to initiate troop withdrawals immediately with the goal of ending combat by December 2008. If Bush vetoes the bill, "then the president won't get his $50 billion," Reid, D-Nev., told reporters at a Capitol Hill news conference.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., made a similar statement last week in a closed-door caucus meeting.

The tough rhetoric does not necessarily foretell another veto showdown with Bush on the war. Similar legislation has routinely fallen short of the 60 votes needed to overcome procedural hurdles in the Senate. It is possible the upcoming bill will sink, in which case Democrats would probably wait until next year to revisit the issue. But their remarks reflect an emerging Democratic strategy on the war: Force congressional Republicans and Bush to accept a timetable for troop withdrawals, or turn Pentagon accounting processes into a bureaucratic nightmare.

If Democrats refuse to send Bush the $50 billion, the military would have to drain its annual budget to keep the wars afloat. Last week, Congress approved a $471 billion budget for the military that pays mostly for non-war related projects, such as depot maintenance and weapons development.

The tactic stops short of blocking money outright from being used on the war, an approach that has divided Democrats and fueled Republican criticism that Democrats are eager to abandon the troops. But forcing the Pentagon into a painful budget dance to pay for the wars spares Democrats from having to write a blank check on the unpopular war....

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/ats-ap_top11nov13,0,2017012.story?coll=la-ap-topnews-headlines
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:32 PM
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1. talk is super cheap with these spineless people.....believe it when you see it.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:35 PM
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2. See how easy that is, Harry?
Deprive Bush of something he really, really wants, and dadgum if it doesn't get his attention. And if the Pentagon wants to keep prosecuting this war, have them cut the budget for all the new overpriced war gadgets they like so much.

Was this really so tough to do?
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:59 PM
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21. Harry will fall for the Surge is working routine....
Soon were gonna here from everywhere on high we just need a little bit longer... The surge worked... The people are secure... The troops are only there just in case... BLAH>>> BLAH>>> BLAH...

so 2006ish...
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:40 PM
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3. Yaaaaaaaaaaaawn.....haven't we ALL heard this tired old song before....Harry you useless old twit..
...you and Nancy will give Monkey-Boy EXACTLY what he wants this time, just like every other time...

We're not buying your horseshit anymore...
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:42 PM
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4. Last time I bet the dems would cave in in two weeks, they caved in in 2 days.
I'm not putting money on this.

SHOW ME HARRY, or go by way of Pelosi(Now recoginized as having ZERO INTEGRITY from some of her previously vocal supporters like myself.)
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:45 PM
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5. 5..... 4..... 3..... 2..... 1..... (sound of buzzer)
Democrats CAVE!
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allisonthegreat Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:47 PM
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6. it will happen...n/t
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:49 PM
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7. Fooling some of the people sometimes, as often as you can get away with it.
Sounds good Harry but we've heard it all before.
Faith in you is gone.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:51 PM
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8. It's Groundhog Day! Babe....I've got you babe, I've got you babe...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:54 PM
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9. Dems should push for an end to the occupation now--we have a window
now where we can walk away without much troop loss and chaos--going out on a high note, as it were--everyone feels good, no sense of defeat. I doubt the decrease in violence will hold up, because the security situation there is totally dependent on us, it's artificial and propped up with big $$$$, but it would be politically difficult to send troops back in after they've started coming out. If we don't push for this now, there might be an uptick in violence that slows or stops withdrawal. All it takes is one bad bombing, or al-Sadr getting his militia going, and we're stuck there. Hopefully Dems can say, "Let's get out while the getting's good".
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BRLIB Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:54 PM
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10. There's an old saying in Tennessee.......
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:17 PM
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11. I'm tired of being played for a fool
Harry: shut the fuck up. You know you are going to fold like a cheap suit. Go away.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:25 PM
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12. Baghdad Bob redux.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:25 PM
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13. all war funding should be ON BUDGET so the true price cannot be hidden nt
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:34 PM
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14. In other news, Lucy's really going to hold the football this time, Charlie Brown. nt
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gademocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:17 PM
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15. I do not believe Harry or Nancy will do anything.
They will fold and continue business as usual in the beltway.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:55 PM
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16. MY APOLOGIES! LAT HAS CHANGED THIS LINK. HERE'S ANOTHER LINK TO THE STORY --
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:11 PM
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17. If he's not serious about carrying out this threat then he should just give Bush the money
I'd rather he just give Bush all the money he asks for without a fuss, rather than making these threats and then capitulating. That makes the Democrats--deservedly--look like spineless panzies.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:19 PM
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18. "Tough rhetoric."
Not.

No credible threat here.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:08 AM
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22. Its meaning has changed from "The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively" to...
... "You're watching Hardball"
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:03 AM
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23. Dear God.
:rofl:
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Brrrp Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:21 PM
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19. Cynics! All of youse. Whyncha trust old Harry? :) nt
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:54 PM
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20. a link to the AP article
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRAQ?SITE=NYONI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


and, here's one from April 2007:

'Reid threatens cutting war funds if plan vetoed'

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-04-02-reid-bill_N.htm

Give Us Hell, Harry!


the editors can just cut and paste ... makes life easy
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