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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:27 PM
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Obama turns back Clinton to win Iowa caucuses; Huckabee decisively defeats Romney
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 11:39 PM by EarlG
Source: MSNBC

Sen. Barack Obama, campaigning to be the first black president in American history, won the Iowa caucuses Thursday night, turning back rivals Hillary Clinton and John Edwards in the opening test of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

On the Republican side, Mike Huckabee rode a wave of support from evangelical Christians to victory over Mitt Romney.

Obama, 46, and a first-term senator from Illinois, scored his victory on a message of change in Washngton. Nearly complete returns showed him gaining 37 percent support from Democratic caucus-goers. Edwards and Clinton were locked in a battle for second place with 30 percent each.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22484066/


Edited by Admin to include updated content because this post is on the home page.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:29 PM
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1. WOO HOO!!!! History was made tonight! Thanks, Iowans!!!!!
:woohoo:
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:31 PM
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4. Yes!
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debatepro Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:32 PM
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9. JAM!
Nice win... good to see new voters came out! If the trend continues in NH I like our chances in the general.
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insanad Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:37 PM
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100. I feel like my team just won the WORLD BOWL!!!
in the 6th quarter!!! I am just giddy. Not just because I backed a winner, but for all of us in the US and in the world at large. I am just bustin proud. GAWLLLLEEEE, I'm just pleased as punch. If I didn't dance like a washing machine gone awry I'd do a jig.
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:54 PM
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35. For real.
They said on the news tonight that if Obama won it would make the news around the world. I think it's very important, it almost makes me proud :D I'm sure I'll be re-disappointed in the worst ways real soon but this is great!
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:52 AM
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168. Front page news in France
This made it as the biggest article on the page www.liberation.fr, connected to Liberation newspaper here in France. (left) It is also front and center at www.lemonde.fr for the Le Monde paper. (center) and in the www.figaro.fr Figaro right wing paper Obama's victory in Iowa is touted as "«un puissant message
de changement pour l'Amérique»" a powerful message of change in America.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:04 PM
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231. That candidates graphic on the Figaro link is pretty weird.
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Savannah_H Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #168
250. Huh!
How can I read it, it's in French! sheesh!
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:22 AM
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269. do what I did when I moved here.
Look at the pictures, and imagine what a left, center, and right wing paper would be saying.....
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:30 PM
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2. I see Clinton is third and Edwards is second
quite different than what the polls predicted
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #2
58. the people have spoken
they want TRUE change...no dynasties...

Now if we can make it either an Obama/Edwards, or Edwards/Obama ticket, we truly make the Dem ticket unstoppable.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #58
66. Maybe the Hillary supporters will now realize once and for all
that it just isn't happening.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #66
74. 1 state out of 50 does not mean she is finished
And for the record...I'm not supporting her in the primaries.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:47 AM
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146. I don't think that Hillary has a chance. And I've thought that way
from the beginning. People are fed up with Bush-Clinton-Bush. Not only that, for all the support she has it has been underestimated how much the people that cannot stand her REALLY cannot stand her. The repukes all hate her and many of her own party don't want her. That equals defeat. I am praying that it continues because to have her as the nominee against Mike Huckabee, whom I am convinced will be the nominee, could spell disaster. As crazy as the Huckster is, they LIKE him. That spells trouble in American politics. I wish we were smarter but we're not. And they don't like her.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:44 AM
Response to Reply #74
167. I agree, one battle doesn't mean you've won the war, but:
If Hill does go on to win the primary I'm really afraid we'll have a neocon for a president no matter which party wins.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #66
94. Here's an answer: No.
Did you really think that winning the little kiddies in Iowa was going to make everyone roll over and play dead for the rock star?

Let's see how it goes in a state where you actually have to be a Democrat to vote in a Democratic primary.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #94
111. Bruce Springsteen wants people to play dead?
I missed that. Didn't know he was running.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #94
132. Exactly. Repubs could have caucused against others, and for Obama. n/t
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #94
147. I hope it goes the same way. If she gets the nomination
Lord help us.
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raebrek Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:00 AM
Response to Reply #94
178. I take offense at the little kiddies comment n/t
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 07:01 AM by raebrek
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #94
181. .....
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:15 AM
Response to Reply #94
191. How easily you dismiss young voters as "kiddies"
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senaca Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #94
218. Iowa's message
The potent message I got out of Iowa is that 2 to 1 were caucusing for our candidates. This in a state that was trending republican in past elections. That seems to indicate that independents are more enthusiastic about our Democratic candidates than the Republican candidates. A lot of first time caucus goers indicate that there may be the beginning of a rising tide of disgruntled voters demanding change. It was exciting to watch.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #94
259. Actually Obama beat Hillary among Democrats, too.
But don't let facts get in the way of your pissed off ranting.

:rofl: :rofl:
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:58 AM
Response to Reply #66
177. Supporting Hillary is sooo reliving the nineties.
Please spare us that. Please.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #177
192. Not in the Hillary camp, but the 90's were far better then the Bush 00's
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #192
261. I meant reliving all the shit the repubs would force upon us.
Just imagine rehashing every minute detail of every "scandal" they wished to re-fight. Of course we were all better off then than now. That's not what I meant.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #58
95. Name one true change your rock star offers.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:46 AM
Response to Reply #95
182. Well, even though it pains me to do so, deeply.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 07:47 AM by TheWatcher
I'll have to concede you pretty much have a point. Obama has given very little in the way of specifics of exaclty what "change" he would represent or bring about.

But Hillary?.....

Please, spare us lest someone huff, and puff, and blow your Glass House Down.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #95
253. Why?
He has two books out, a website, and I'm sure you could google a whole lot more. I learned about him that way - why should someone do that work for you? I don't think of him as a "rock star" at all, and I think it's great that young people got involved. "Kiddies" is an insult to the college students, and other young people who were informed enough, and cared enough to come out last night.

They didn't just show up for Obama, they showed up for Hillary and Edwards, too. Bitterness is not becoming.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #58
110. That has been my dream for months!
I'm for Edwards, but I'd take either one on top, baby! :woohoo:
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #58
130. The people of Iowa, caucusing as Democrats, have spoken
And in 1988, they said they wanted Dick Gephardt, another candidate from a neighboring state.

In 1992, Iowa went for favorite son, Tom Harkin.

An Iowa victory is just that-- a victory in Iowa.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #58
133. Only the IOWANS have spoken. Have to hear from the rest of the US, no? n/t
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #58
194. Hell yeah....those ticket combo's would rock...
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #58
206. The people?
Well some of them.
Let's hope some more also have the opportunity to choose.
Edwards/Obama - now that's a great ticket. With Biden as secretary of state and Clinton using her skills somewhere too with Dodd and Richardson deployed also.
And bring back Robert Reich while we are at it.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:53 AM
Response to Reply #2
169. Obama is my senator
but at this point I still prefer Kucinich, then Edwards, then Obama, but hell I am happy with the results from Iowa.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:41 PM
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246. Wow, that's even better.
None of them can hold a candle to my candidate, of course, but this is a nice thing to see.

I especially like to think of the people around here with their "Clinton - #44!" icons realizing it's not going to happen. Their arrogance needed some deflating.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:31 PM
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3. GOBAMA! GOBAMA!
It's your birthday!:party: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :party: :party: :party:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #3
205. Happy Birthday! Big Big Day for Obama
:bounce:
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:31 PM
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5. YEEEAH!!
Very very nice.
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:31 PM
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6. The vote heard round the world
Obama is pretty much stereotypically the Anti-Bush.

Can you imagine what Europe or Asia is thinking right now?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. some people I know in the UK and Australia are jumping with joy
at last - change in the USA
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:55 PM
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36. Can you imagine what Europe or Asia is thinking right now?

"What the hell is a caucus? What a loony way to pick a candidate!"

Interesting results! I like Edwards but I cannot say I'm disappointed. But I'll really be impressed when Obama wins SC.
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. (right..?)
I know SC pretty well and I do not feel good about some of them even being allowed to vote. (nothing against SC DEMOCRATS of course)
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LaloBorges Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #36
260. Yes, same thing the said in 2004...
Remember what they said about us after Bush "won"? They are saying the same about the Obama win, and I know as I heard it from a reporter from Radio France.
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Jemmons Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #6
131. People arround here fancy Hillary because of name recognition
My fav i Edwards but really I'm just happy to se the GOP in a mess.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #131
148. A mess? Once again folks, don't be fooled. Huckabee is
dangerous. We need to NOT let our guard down.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #6
207. Prince Barack?
(Just musing on Maureen Dowd's Reigh or Deign piece.)
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:32 PM
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7. This means little. He needed to win in order to stay in the race. n/t
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. LOL
Thats seriously the funniest statement I have read all night.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #8
17. I am being serious. Congratulations to Obama but he has a long road to go.
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 09:39 PM by wisteria
The Democrats have to keep the money flowing and the campaign interesting. Obama's win should be taken seriously, but with caution also.
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #17
85. Of the 3 front-runners, Edwards was the only one whose campaign was designed around winning Iowa
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #85
91. No, Obama himself has said that he needed to win in Iowa.
This was also repeated by his wife.
But, you are correct about Edward's putting his all into Iowa too.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #17
225. But, but, but, the media said that whoever wins Iowa is the nominee, right?
Jeez. I'm happy for him, but it is only one state. I'm disappointed so many candidates have dropped out after only one frickin' state. We don't vote for another 7 weeks and there won't be anyone left in it by then except THE frontrunner.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #8
223. Very true. Just remember that the status quo always
goes down hard, and Obama is a break from the status quo. And there are more than enough SQ people, even here on DU. They will find any reason and make any statement to downplay victories such as this.

That being said, he does need to keep this momentum going in New Hampshire and beyond. I think he's going to do that and I think he's been seriously underestimated all these months. The DNC powers-that-be and their preferred candidate, and we all know to whom I am referring, have grossly underestimated the anger and the ambition of those who are not just frustrated with Iraq but with the possibility of the continuation of the same-old, same-old.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:33 PM
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10. Nice. K&R Now go Edwards and take second!!! eom
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:34 PM
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11. Congratulations.
A black man won over a 90% white state.
That's more than impressive.

Well done.

This campaign just got interesting. I'm ready.

Again, Congrats to Obama.

W.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Yes! Makes me proud to be a Democrat!!!
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 09:36 PM by Nimrod2005
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:34 AM
Response to Reply #14
174. Obama/Edwards???
Edwards will do much better than ole Dick has been doing.....
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #174
226. Edwards is awesome, but does not have credible foreign policy experience?
Richardson is the guy - Obama Richardson is unbeatable...
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #11
79. Well, remember
the tragically pigmentally challenged were voting for either Fuckabee or Mittens, so it's not as good as you describe it, but I'm satisfied. I really want this election to be about change, and the good people of Iowa (enough of them, anyway) sent the message that the heartland wants change as much as the coasts did in the last two elections.


Repukes need to be very, very afraid...
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #11
137. Yes but Obama is ...

Yes but Obama isn't 100% black. It's not as if Iowans voted for Al Sharpton.


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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:48 AM
Response to Reply #137
162. I doubt if Al Sharpton is 100% Black.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:35 AM
Response to Reply #162
175. I agree
Most blacks in the USA are really of mixed race. This is linked back to the systematic rape of slave women by white men. Most blacks here in France have much darker skin, as they came here as immigrants and not slaves.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #162
267. Race is more than blood ...
Race is also culture. In that respect Sharpton is WAAAAY blacker than Obama.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:08 AM
Response to Reply #137
165. Please clarify this comment.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #165
224. Obama's mother is white and from Kansas and his father
is from Kenya. I think that's what he meant, and not any kind of slur on Obama as not being "black" enough.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #224
245. I wish I could give him the benefit of the doubt
But I'm way too cynical.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #224
268. I'm also referring to culture ...

Somehow now frank conversations on culture are off limits and non PC. Obama is receiving wide acceptance amongst whites because he acts according to accepted norms of the dominant culture. If you want to put it bluntly, he's integrated.

Let the flaming begin. You can try to pretend culture does not exist. But don't listen to me. Listen to Chris Rock and he'll tell it to you straight.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:52 PM
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270. Oh, I completely agree that culture exists and that there
are plenty of differences. I think, though, that Obama's grown up in two worlds and so he knows how to bridge the gap between them and how to act in both worlds. I don't think his integration is a matter of "passing" or deliberately turning his back on black culture, it's just a matter of being comfortable in both worls. Then again, I'm white, so I might not really know what I'm talking about here.
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:33 AM
Response to Reply #11
161. I just wish...
that Kucinich, Edwards or Biden were black men, 'cause Obama, while better tnat the world's best 'publican, is still not my idea of a great choice.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:35 PM
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13. Gobama!!!
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:36 PM
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15. Tonight, We're All Proud of Being Democrats!
The American Experiment lives, and members of the Democratic Party are keeping it alive!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:36 PM
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16. I wonder who he will choose as Vice Prez?
Obama and *******
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. haha ..
Don't get too ahead of yourself.
This isn't over.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:41 PM
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22. Not by a long time.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:43 PM
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26. kinda jumping the gun there, aren't you?
:eyes:
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taylor egv420106 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:19 PM
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61. My Hope
Biden.

I don't see Edwards getting another chance.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:24 PM
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67. Biden works for me!!
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:52 AM
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149. If he gets it, Biden has my first vote!!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:04 PM
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256. do they get on?
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:02 AM
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197. Oh, are the elections over already? nt
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:40 PM
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19. With Huckabee on the other side, Obama is more than electable.
He's a slam dunk. This is a year for outsiders. The machine politicians are bad news.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:24 PM
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68. Er, No. Please people. Obama has a good chance but you
are making a mistake to discount Huckabee. You're going to see it shortly.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:36 PM
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75. what's to fear?
run a few ads reminding people of his "women should submit to their husbands" ideas...Huckabee is too wacky for people beyond the Evangelical fold. He may have a strong base within the Republican party, but his ideas do not translate to electability in the majority of the nation.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:54 AM
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150. No sorry, you're mistaken. Huckabee has the "likeability" factor and
the "I'm just a common man and family like you". It would be a serious error to discount the Huckster. As I said upthread, Americans are famous for not using their heads when they vote.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:11 AM
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172. right
destroy the likeability factor by continually reminding people of his wacky ideas. Put him on the defensive. Every public appearance, he should be dogged by his uber Christian comments. Let him have to back it up. It's much different when you're campaigning for your base (where you can act like you won't apologize for being Christy), than when you're campaigning for the national election. His uber Christy beliefs will not fly with the rest of the nation. People are tired of messianic, arrogant leaders, and they want change.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:58 PM
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251. I suspect that Huckabee will go down soon.
boricua79 is correct about how to deal with him. And the Republicans know it. Last night it started already with the conservatives blasting him as not being a real conservative. The party will pull out all the stops to nail him because they know he will bring them down.

See what happens in NH. If the Huckster comes in 4th (as today's polling puts him), the magic of Iowa will dissipate.
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Malidictus Maximus Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #251
258. "A Socialist with a bible"
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 03:39 PM by Malidictus Maximus
is one rather pithy description I read on another forum.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #75
151. And if you think he's going to run a "women should submit"
ad you're being really optimistic.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:12 AM
Response to Reply #151
173. doesn't have to
it's in the public record that he stated that. Opponents can bring it up in their ads, and it can be brought up in every debate and public appearance afterward. Huckabee is an easy kill for any campaign that decides to dig up into his past.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #173
210. Well obviously anyone can run an ad about anyone. I was simply stating
stating that wouldn't be an ad of the Hucksters!
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raebrek Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:05 AM
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179. Makes me wonder if the Dems packed the Huckabee ballot box N/T
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:10 AM
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200. If so, it's about time Democrats used a Rovian strategy
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:40 PM
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20. funny numbers
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 09:47 PM by CGowen
Democrats | Polls | County Results
Barack Obama 647 36% 0
John Edwards 551 31% 0
Hillary Clinton 547 30% 0
Bill Richardson 34 2% 0
Joe Biden 18 1% 0
Uncommitted 2 0%
Chris Dodd 1 0% 0
Mike Gravel 0 0% 0
Dennis Kucinich 0 0% 0

77% of precincts reporting

Republicans | Polls | County Results
Candidate Votes % of votes Delegates won Projected winner
Mike Huckabee 14,045 31% 0
Mitt Romney 10,084 23% 0
Fred Thompson 5,950 13% 0
John McCain 5,194 12% 0
Rudy Giuliani 4,901 11% 0
Ron Paul 4,379 10% 0
Duncan Hunter 168 0% 0

41% of precincts reporting

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21229206


Democrats | Polls | County Results
Candidate Votes % of votes Delegates won Projected winner
Barack Obama 752 37% 0
John Edwards 618 30% 0
Hillary Clinton 615 30% 0
Bill Richardson 41 2% 0
Joe Biden 19 1% 0
Uncommitted 2 0%
Chris Dodd 1 0% 0
Mike Gravel 0 0% 0
Dennis Kucinich 0 0% 0
85% of precincts reporting

Republicans | Polls | County Results
Candidate Votes % of votes Delegates won Projected winner
Mike Huckabee 25,510 34% 0
Mitt Romney 18,668 25% 0
Fred Thompson 10,308 14% 0
John McCain 9,891 13% 0
Ron Paul 7,674 10% 0
Rudy Giuliani 2,708 4% 0
Duncan Hunter 324 0% 0
65% of precincts reporting
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:46 PM
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31. Did Dodd Get 15% Somewhere?
How did he get a delegate?
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:06 AM
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112. I don't know where he got the vote, but I found the Giuliani numbers strange n/t
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #112
239. Shows the Importance of Ground Game over Reputation and Natinal Polls
especially in a caucus state
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:57 PM
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240. He has no appeal in Iowa
Nobody in Iowa gives a fuck if you were the mayor of New York.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:40 PM
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21. Reeps caucused for Obama.
hmmm
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taylor egv420106 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #21
62. So what?
They went to caucus for the person they thought would be best.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:38 PM
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78. Could be...
or they could have caucused against Clinton or Edwards...

In 1984 Bill Buckley wrote that Republicans should vote in Democratic primaries and caucuses(where they could vote) against Sen Hart.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #21
93. What is a Reep?
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #93
220. not sure, but i believe...
...they are often seen congregating with ublicans.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:16 AM
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115. Republicans were a small percentage
He'd have won as big without them.

From people on the ground out there though they weren't being devious...they were inspired by him.

I have a republican aunt (antiwar though) who really likes him and is giving her college age kids info on him so they will vote for him too. Her church friends like him too. It's real. He touches hearts that were hungry to be touched. They speak of his honesty, genuineness...that he really cares. I was amazed although I knew they disliked bush a lot.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:41 PM
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23. Obama first, Edwards first....I don't care....but....
...Hillary third???? Made my day! :bounce:
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:56 AM
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228. LOL, me too!
nt
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #23
252. Agreed. Hillary third?! Hot Damn, that's the most important thing!
:bounce:
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torrentprime Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:41 PM
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24. woohoo
Thank god. Please let it continue, and let's not see a Hillary-Giuliani bout.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:43 PM
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25. A-fucking-men! n/t
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:44 PM
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27. Get ready...
...for Clinton spin, dirty tricks.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #27
70. If I were Obama and Edwards, I'd have a food taster.
:evilgrin::evilgrin:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:39 PM
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101. What a lying despicable thing to say.
You are accusing a Democratic candidate, the first viable woman candidate for president, of attempting to assassinate her rivals? BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE HER?

Obama people are vicious in victory. That is NOT a good sign.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:50 PM
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107. Oh, come on...
I noticed the little devils, didn't you?

The poster was not serious, just funny (in a Pulp Fiction, Black Adder sort of way). Black humor does not suit everyone, but touchiness is not what Clinton supporters need to evidence now.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:26 AM
Response to Reply #107
135. It was meant as a joke, but it seems that Hillary supporters
are a might edgy.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #135
140. Edgy is right.
Me, I'll follow the show and decide later who I like best.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #135
184. Perhaps now that they have run out of that Air Of Inevitability to breathe
They are oxygen deficient.

That can cause quite a bit of strange behavior.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #184
230. "Snicker"
nt
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #101
134. Oh Please get REAL and lighten up, would you?
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #101
136. By the way, I'm not an "Obama" backer. I haven't decided who I
I am supporting yet. I can tell you who I'm NOT - Hillary.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #101
183. You're viscious period.
In just about everything you post.

For Pete's Sake, get some anger management.

You remind me of a badger that hasn't eaten in three days.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:01 PM
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229. You need to take the halo off of Hillary. Her campaign
has viciously smeared Obama, and it has rightfully backfired on her. They've tried from the beginning to interfere with his campaign with the attitude that only Hillary should have the right to be the nominee because she somehow "deserves" it. She is not a queen and is not automatically entitled to the nomination. And, hopefully, she will not get it, especially with her continuing enthusiasm for war funding and the war itself and her refusal to acknowledge any of her mistakes in that regard. And don't even get me started on her being in the pockets of the health care industry, particularly the insurance industry.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:35 PM
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255. Exactly.
And those were Rovian-type smears. I was so glad they backfired, and hope that they will continue to do so. Really, I'd almost be afraid to smear anymore if I were her, but I think that's all she's got.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #101
247. You can't be dumb enough to not realize that was a joke.
Come on.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:44 PM
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28. Fascinating...unexpected...

Wowza!
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:45 PM
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29. OBAMA KICKS ASS!
Congratulations to all Obama people!
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:46 PM
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30. Met many REPUBLICANS caucusing for Obama
Serveral of my republican neighbors that I know have voted for republicans in the past were at my caucus and they were speading their usual BS about Hillary.. Several admitted that if Obama is not the democratic candidate, they'll vote republican..
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mconvente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:50 PM
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32. Not exactly a good measure of a progressive...
Damn, I really wish Edwards was a strong second, if not first of course, rather than being tied with Clinton. Still got about 10% of precincts coming in to change, but damn...
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:59 PM
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38. That's what they just said on MSNBC a few minutes ago.
Lots of Republicans at the Democratic caucuses. I like the way we do it in Arizona, you can only vote in the primary of the party you are registered to. You can't change your party affilliation after a certain date before the primary elections.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #30
43. That's exactly what they're doing!
Here we go again!
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #43
138. My only question is: why are you surprised?
You didn't think enough people truly dispise Hillary to do this?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:09 PM
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232. I think you're looking at it the wrong way, with all due respect.
The "uniter" business may be cliched, but, in his case, it really is true. He really does have cross-section appeal and is able to bridge the gap among a lot of groups and to communicate effectively with a wide cross-section. That is exactly what we need and one of the reasons for his appeal, people are tired of bitter partisanship and the hateful bickering coming from both sides. People are tired of candidates who appeal only to their main base and ignore the rest of Americans, and that includes progessive as well as conservative candidates. We need his kind of candidate who appeals to a wide cross-section, or we're never going to get anywhere. We need a candidate who gets beyond the main base, period.
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pettypace Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:51 PM
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33. GOD BLESS IOWA!!!!!!
I love the Hawkeye state!!!!!
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:52 PM
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34. If Obama wins, I will support him, I won't like it , but I will.
His change and status quo message just doesn't make sense to me. I hope Edwards keeps going.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:02 PM
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46. Wanting Edwards too,as our best bet for real change
and a chance against the forces of evil (aka GOP America).
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:05 PM
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51. I agree. Unless he has just been posturing to the right, he leaves much to be
desired for a progressive. And some of his votes in the Senate have been awful. I have been warming to Edwards as he has been taking on the corporations, etc. and has been talking of pulling the troops out of Iraq within a year.

In the end, Iraq will probably decide my vote -- I don't think in good conscience I can vote for anyone who is not committed to ending the occupation. Iraqi lives and sovereignty trump everything else. I want my democratic nominee to understand that down to his bones.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:35 PM
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97. American lives trump everything else for me.
The sovereignty of another country is not a factor in how I cast my vote.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:41 AM
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158. American lives are not really at stake - especially since what is good for Iraq-
namely ending the occupation - is also good for American soldiers. Iraq is the moral issue of our time -- by invading and occupying that country we have violated their sovereignty, destroyed their country and killed over one MILLION of its citizens. A war crime by any definition. I sure hope that Obama lands on the right side of the moral divide that is Iraq.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #158
234. American lives are not at stake? Really? Tell that to
one of our former clients, who just lost her grandson, right before Christmas, in Afghanistan at the ripe old age of 23. Tell that to my cousin, whose husband was deployed to Iraq just a month after their wedding last December and who will not be back until this March; they've spent their entire first year of marriage thousands of miles apart, with her worrying every day that she'll get that knock on the door letting her know that she never will spend anymore years with her husband, apart or together. And tell that to all of the other families of soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #234
242. As I said, those American lives could be saved if we got out of other people's
countries. I feel for the soldiers who will lose their lives but they signed on to a life of violence and even many of them realize that they are in Iraq and Afghanistan as occupiers and that they shouldn't be there. The million plus civilians who have been killed were in their own countries until Bushit decided to bomb the hell out of them for their oil, pipelines and 'geopolitical strategic footprint' to quote the famous PNAC brief.

For me the pivotal issue upon which I will judge our candidates is Iraq -- unless that person can see clearly the necessity, sooner rather than later, of leaving that devastated country -- without the 30 trillion dollars worth of oil and without the mega-bases we've built there to oversee our empire, then I can support them.

We have real human issues that require real human leadership that puts the welfare of all living people -- not just one's tribe -- first and foremost. Like I said: "WE ARE NOT WORTH MORE, THEY ARE NOT WORTH LESS." (S. Brian Willson, http://www.brianwillson.com/)
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:42 AM
Response to Reply #97
159. American lives are not really at stake - especially since what is good for Iraq-
namely ending the occupation - is also good for American soldiers. Iraq is the moral issue of our time -- by invading and occupying that country we have violated their sovereignty, destroyed their country and killed over one MILLION of its citizens. A war crime by any definition. I sure hope that Obama lands on the right side of the moral divide that is Iraq.

"We are not worth more, They are not worth less."
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:07 PM
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53. Edwards comes out in good shape.
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 10:08 PM by MindMatter
It is a very nice win for Obama, and I'll be very happy if he is the eventual candidate. But between Obama and Clinton, there couldn't have been 10 minutes of substantive discussion on issues in the entire campaign. They were both appealing to the "Isn't it time to have a different look" sentiment, even if that was unspoken.

Edwards was the guy who emerged from the pack of candidates talking about issues. Biden, Richardson, Dodd, and Kucinich should go away now and not splinter that vote. That can all be proud of their contribution to the discussion, but they should not let ego get in the way. A debate among Edwards, Obama and Clinton between now and Super Tuesday is a good thing for the country. And toward the end, even Edwards got into the mode of just hammering one really simple line over and over again.

A person can get away with that in a crowded field. I believe a debate with only three voices has a much better chance of getting past the canned message and into the meaty issues.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:58 PM
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37. Can you imagine what Europe or Asia is thinking right now?
"What the hell is a caucus? What a loony way to pick a candidate!"

Interesting results! I'm for Edwards but I can't say I'm disappointed. I'll really be impressed when Obama wins SC.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:00 PM
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41. THANK YOU, Iowa!!!!!
:loveya:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:00 PM
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42. You know Chris Matthews is secretly hating this...
I think he's been promoting Hillary for the Democratic nomination all along, and now that the momentum has shifted to Obama for the time being, Tweety is not pleased.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:53 AM
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124. Tweety? the whole damned MSM is pissed now.
the corporatists wanted hillery...BADLY.

Just watch the crap fly now, she will be on every talking heads lips...just watch.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:10 AM
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199. You can already see the MSM playing down the importance
of the win. She will be pushed even harder by the MSM now and it will only hurt her. People are starting to wake up to the fact that the MSM is the major player that got us in to this mess. Who the MSM wants, they don't want.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:16 PM
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235. I remember hearing an interview with Matthews on
NPR a couple of months ago, in promotion of his new book. He said that Obama was "too NPR" (yes, those were his exact words!), and would never even have one primary win. Snicker.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:01 PM
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44. That's great... but aren't there 49 more states that should matter?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:20 PM
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63. Why do you think they don't matter?
:evilgrin: Sorry, my Snidely Whiplash is setting in...

They ALL matter!! Every single state. They are all important!

Yay!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:19 PM
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236. Not mine. We don't have our primary
(South Dakota) until June 3. By then, it will likely have already been decided and we will, once again, not have much say in the matter at all.
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DivorcingNeo Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:02 PM
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45. In the words of Kissey Asplund...
BAM! Stand against the future slap!



Is America really changing...is there hope?! I'm nearly in tears!

Congrats Senator Obama!!!!!!!!! I have faith in you!!
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:03 PM
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47. wooooooooooo! nt
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PleaseSayItAintSo Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:03 PM
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48. I am proud of my country tonight.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:04 PM
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49. CONGRATULATIONS Obama supporters!!!
I'm an Edwards lover but this is indeed GOOD news!

:woohoo:
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:05 PM
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50. Already? How do they even know how many votes there'll be?
Looks like the count is at supposedly at 90% and Obama is only ahead of Edward by 162 votes and Clinton by 168 votes, not exactly a Huge victory.:shrug:

Looks like they are still guessing, as usual.
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:37 PM
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76. Not votes....delegates.
He's ahead by that many delegates.
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:06 PM
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52. Kucinich's support probably helped put him over the top. Let all front-runners take note
Let all front-runners take note that the straight-talking Representative from Ohio is speaking for a lot of us across the country. If he can't be nominated and elected, then I hope he heavily influences the other candidates, and the party platform.
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:16 PM
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59. Not this time. Our Kucinich people went to Edwards...
just like last time. Obama did it on his own.
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taylor egv420106 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:22 PM
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65. Look at the numbers
Kucinich DIDNT DO SQUAT.
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:32 PM
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72. What he did...
...was to ask his supporters to please go and stand with the Obama folks at any caucus where Kucinich didn't get 15% support - and, as you point out, that was every caucus.

So, did the Kucinich supporters do as he asked? Did their little bit of added weight help tip the scales further in Obama's favor? We can only speculate, but I'm thinking yes. And that's not to take anything away from Obama's accomplishment.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:49 PM
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81. Yay, such a groundswell
All 2 of Kucinich's supporters go over to push Obama over the edge. :rofl:

Seriously, the Paul/Kucinich wing of the political spectrum needs to hop on the nearest UFO and buzz off. Egos the size of the cosmos...
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:54 AM
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125. Then I'm #3
My vote is free speech, and I'll speak the truth through my choice who does the same.
If he's still there by Feb.12.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:59 AM
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128. "3 to beam up, Scotty"
:hi:
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:02 AM
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129. She's breaking up Captain!
BTW He said UFO, not ET. Big difference you know.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:08 PM
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54. This morning I said a prayer asking for Hillary to come in third...-> God is good... GoBama
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:08 PM
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55. strike a victory for change! No to the DLC establishment elitist, Clinton!
Wow...I haven't felt so hopeful in over a decade! May God grant us the chance to return this country to the Constitution!
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:10 PM
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56. No more Bushes. No more Clintons. Ever.
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 10:27 PM by MindMatter
This has got to be the worst news Karl Rove has heard in a long time. They were counting on running against Hillary.

There isn't a stake in her heart yet, so let's not take our eye off the ball.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:33 AM
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141. Yeah the repukes are all crying now because Hillary might not
actually be the annointed one, which means they are going to have a much TOUGHER time.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:10 PM
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57. I've been waiting for this day ...
ever since the first "Hillary WILL be the nominee and we need to get behind her" post.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:16 PM
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60. You're all winners!
Yay!! :) Congrats all you Obamahans!
My guy did pretty good too!
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queenbdem87 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:21 PM
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64. I'm even happier that Hillary got 3rd. NO DYNASTIES!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:41 PM
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102. Gosh, who writes your material?
Do they hold classes in rote repetition? You WON! But it only made your comments uglier and less honest.

Vicious in victory is NOT a good sign.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:39 AM
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120. I'm really REALLY HAPPY HILLARY GOT 3rd PLACE!
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:58 AM
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127. That is the most important outcome of this.
Just wish she had done better, like 5th or 6th.
Maybe other states will be more awake.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:59 AM
Response to Reply #102
185. You need some new stuff yourself.
Being the Don Rickles of DU just really isn't in vogue anymore.

That being said, at least Rickles is caustic AND funny.

You're just caustic.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:25 PM
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69. Congratulations Mr. Obama!!!!!!

President-in-lurking Obama!!!!!!
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:28 PM
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71. GOBAMA!
Congrats, God has willed it. :woohoo:
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:35 PM
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73. Just returned from a very crowded caucus
We had 585 people! A new record! Obama won our precinct.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:37 PM
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77. Bartcop is going to shit a brick tommorrow!
:wow:
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:47 PM
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80. After he eats a couple of slices of humble pie
Bartcop's entire thesis for (what seems like) years has been that we should ALL support Clinton because she is the clear front-runner. Guess it ain't so. He's either going to have to change his tune now or change his candidate.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:58 AM
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160. No he's going to attack the Primary process
Which is a legitamate argument to an extent, but that humble pie will not be eaten until after the convention you can bet your sweet ass on that.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:25 PM
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237. He will never eat that pie. Look at 2004.

I went through two weeks of his page counting attacks on Kerry versus attacks on Bush. Every day, without a single exception, he printed at least as many articles attacking Kerry as Bush. On most days he attacked Kerry more. That is when I stopped reading him on a regular basis (though I am looking forward to his next posting).

If it is not his candidate -- and he does not seem to like any Democrat not surnamed Clinton -- then Bartcop has no use for them. He won't turn Republic, of course, but he will not support the Democrat either.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:46 PM
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263. I'm not a big supporter of the pink tutu dems either but I don't see the Clintons...
as infalible beings that musn't be questioned.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:49 PM
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82. I feel very good about America this evening
Congratulations to the Obama's and all those in Iowa who worked so tirelessly for this victory.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:11 PM
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88. Deleted
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 11:14 PM by kath
sorry - I was being a punctuation Nazi.

(Is there no one left who knows how to use the apostrophe?)
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:52 PM
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83. Returned a while ago from my caucus...
My first caucus. We had 122 people in my smallish precinct - a BIG turnout (though they combined some townships together or something?)

I caucused for Edwards and he won my precinct. Obama was a fairly close second and Hillary a slightly more distant third. 5 delegates for Edwards, 4 for Obama, 3 for Hillary. There were 10 people for Richardson, 1 for Biden, and 1 for Kucinich. Seven of the ten Richardson people came over to Edwards at realignment and the Biden person. Not sure where the Kucinich supporter went. In my precinct, viability was 19 people.

This was my first caucus and I am going to be a delegate for Edwards at the county convention!! Talk about diving in! It was fun and very interesting tonight and I learned a lot. I sure wish Edwards could have won it or come out with a finish closer to Obama's first than Hillary's third. x(

Exciting night!
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:54 PM
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84. Love It - Thank you Iowa
Obama or Edwards are my top 2 Democrats. I have nothing against Hillary, she'd be a great president but I'm one of those who think she does have too many voters who wouldn't vote for her. And I'm one of those who'd rather not have 2 dynasties running this country.

I'm one of those ready for a change in this country!
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:00 PM
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86. After ONE state, candidates are already dropping out? WTF???
God, this system of voting sucks.

Clinton called to offer a "concession" to Obama? This is one freakin' race!!! What is there to concede? I can't believe how one state is deciding everything. By the time we get to vote here in WI in a few weeks, there will only be one candidate left on each side.

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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:36 PM
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98. True....
...and it is not even a primary. Iowa is a caucus, and it is undemocratic in many ways (work nights, can't get a ride, to much of a time commitment? - tough luck).

But still, an African-American winning in lilly-white Iowa? That is something to sing about!

Something is going on here, and Hillary is not going to like it.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #98
142. I'm sorry but I don't get that "African American" in lilly white
Iowa. I live in the deep south and there is not nearly as much racism as you think. Obama will probably take Georgia fairly easily. Most people except for the knuckle draggers realize that the civil war ended over a hundred years ago and most of the knuckle draggers don't vote.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:57 AM
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164. Thanks, JeanGrey!
Stereotypes suck. Everyone should know by now, for instance, that New Orleans has had a black mayor for a long time. And this is not an isolated example!
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #164
211. You better believe it. Obama has EVERY chance of being
elected.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #142
249. The point is...
...that Obama is not running as an African-American - he is running as an American, pure and simple. Many African-American politicians still run or operate on identity politics, including Jackson, Sharpton, and Young (remember his "Bill Clinton has dated more black women that Obama" comment?). Obama got where he is without the support of the "Black Establishment", which prefers the Clintons, the status quo, the powers-that-be, and their cut. Obama is a threat to that. I bet that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were just as pissed off at last night's results as Hillary was. Maybe more so.

I also live in the south, and I know full well that despite pockets of troglodytes the bulk of people will vote for the best man - or woman. And Iowa showed that midwestern white Americans will vote for whomever they think is best too, irrespective of race or gender.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #249
262. Yup. :-)
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #98
264. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
I attended an integrated grade school in Davenport IOWA in the 60's, and no one thought anything of it. I went to grad school in Boston and found the good "Northeastern liberals" still fighting tooth and nail to STOP integration of schools.

"Lily-white Iowa" has nothing to apologize for.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #264
266. No apology needed.
Read #249 for more on the point I was making.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #86
221. I know! our primaries are not until May.
I always feel somewhat disenfranchised by the process.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:26 PM
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238. Try living in South Dakota, with Iowa as a neighbor. Our
primary isn't until June 3. JUNE 3. It will likely be more than over then, and will be little more than a crowning of the already-anointed king or queen. We will likely have no voice in this, and that's true of a lot of other states as well. This primary system the way it's set up now has got to go.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #86
244. If Iowa was a hard race to win w/o money, or if it had opinions
radically different from that of the general American electorate (say, another favorite son was running this year), I doubt anyone would be dropping out right now.

But Iowa is the single best hope (this year, anyway) for lesser-known, lower funded candidates to win, or at least place credibly. And I'm sure the decision wasn't made solely on the Iowa results, but also upon internal polling in other states, and the state of the campaign bank accounts. Iowa was just the right time to quit for those candidates, in their opinions, and I doubt their decisions were made lightly or unreasonably.
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:00 PM
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87. I'm very happy for Obama
And just helped by donating to his campaign. I would really love to see him pick-up Edwards on his ticket. I love them both.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:19 PM
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89. Just saw Obama's speech.
Pretty good. But there were parts I did not like - like the bit about "farmers......to free us from the tyranny of oil." . I am not a big fan of ethanol since I think that we should use food for, well.....food. But despite some things like that, pretty good speech. Especially liked the focus on hope, and "..a story that can only happen in the United States of America."

And Hillary is 3rd. What a goof. When will the long knives comes out?
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #89
99. Is it available online anywhere?
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 11:38 PM by nankerphelge
I've been trying to catch it on tv, but it's wall to wall moronic punditry.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:45 PM
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104. Saw it live.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #99
153. Right here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqoFwZUp5vc
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 10:33 PM
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271. Thanx.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #89
108. I also didn't care for the health care part of his speech.
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 11:53 PM by drm604
He said that he wanted an America where "more families can afford to see a doctor". I wish he would have instead said something like "all families can see a doctor".
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #108
109. I'd be scared...
....of someone who agreed 100% with me.

Find the best fit, and go with that.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:11 AM
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113. Sorry, but I don't follow your reasoning.
Why would you be scared of someone who agrees with you?

In any case, it's not about them agreeing with me 100% on all things. I at least want someone I can agree with on health care and the war. Is that asking too much?
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:40 AM
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121. I mean 100% - that is scary.
Can two people actually have identical views on all issues? Only when one is nuts, in my opinion.

When I look at politicians, I look for someone who is closest to me in outlook. But I don't need 100%. Unfortunately, I know folks who find one disagreement with a politician and that is all they need to denounce them.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #108
144. Guys - I really have to ask a serious question. Does anyone
here REALLY truly think that we are going to get National Health Care? I just don't see it happening, sorry. I'm a dem and lord god I can't wait for the stink of the past 8 years to be off the WH, but I think we're whistling in the wind.
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Brrrp Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:33 AM
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156. I do. All the big Dem candidates support mandatory insurance premiums.
This will be a bonanza for the insurance companies. So of course we will have National Health Care. Because what is good for big business is good for America.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:17 AM
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213. Well at least you aren't fooled.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #89
118. There are better plant based fuels, the corn
has MANY drawbacks. But with other groups noted in there too like scientists if they really were working together we might get to what makes sense. That was my thought so I was glad he included farmers.
A moving speech I thought.

The start of Hillary's speech was quite gracious thanking everyone who came out in record numbers and good words for other candidates. I was glad to hear that tone.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:41 AM
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122. Her tone was good.
She is a long-distance runner. To count her out is foolish.
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:01 AM
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152. Hillary is becoming past tense
She will be a lifetime Senator, but the US presidency doesn't need someone with so much non-progressive baggage. The vote for Iraq. The welfare reform that impoverished many millions of helpless people. NAFTA which devastated union and blue-collar families, and condemned them and their children to compete with foreigners in a race to the bottom. And last - but not least - cavorting with members of the Bush crime family. Unforgivable.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:37 AM
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143. When? Oh my. I'm sure they've been out. Stand back
now and watch the real dirty stuff happen.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:20 PM
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90. To bad about Dodd, he actually had some excellent positions on things that matter.
He could of brought about real change.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:26 PM
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92.  I Agree, Dodd will be missed, he will continue to speak out and with a....
Dem president he will have more impact. I am happy that Obama won Iowa, I would have been just as happy if Edwards had won. If Hillary had won I would be, lets say... less than enthusiastic.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:35 PM
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96. A shame about Dodd and Biden.
But not entirely unexpected. It was a good race, gentlemen. You had my support. Of course, I'm in Maryland, so my support doesn't count for squat.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:42 PM
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103. Watching MSNBC...
...what a bunch of hyperbole.

They way they are talking, Hillary is done. Don't bet on it. She is tough. Obama has done very well tonight, but it is way to early to count Hillary out.
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Brrrp Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:35 AM
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157. Keep watching. Whatever jerks Hillary out of bed in the morning will keep on doing it
even as her prospects decline.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:46 PM
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105. hillary voted for the war!!
screw her! hucklefuck is the devil...beware its an omen!
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:34 AM
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119. And "gets ready for the NEW WAR"
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:48 PM
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106. The torch has passed. We The People will heal America.
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 11:55 PM by seafan
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DivorcingNeo Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:30 AM
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117. Beautiful Photos!
HOPEfully the next first family of the United States!!!
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Raiden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:49 AM
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123. I LOVE those photos!
What a great first couple they would make! The torch has been passed!!!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:49 AM
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166. goodness
I KNOW you're happy, I appreciate that, but I wish people would quit jumping the gun here. We're talking about a 37-31-30 CAUCUS victory in Iowa, not a primary victory in one of the other states. IF/WHEN he beats Hillary and John in NH with 40% of the vote, then I'll be agreeing with you about his chances. Until then, I wouldn't hold my breath as a "Obama's my 1st choice" person. I see Hillary beating him in NH, the question is, will John go hard at them to secure 25%+ again, or if he doesn't stay competitive there, will he back Obama and basically help 'clean Hillary's clock'... I'm donating to John for the 1st time since Oct., because I believe he still can win it, he got the magical 30% in Iowa that I was hoping he would get to remain viable. All the other candidates should bow out if they don't get 10% or more in NH and leave it to whomever's left.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:43 AM
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145. She will make a beautiful and outspoken first lady,
won't she? I wish them luck.
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George1984 Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:16 AM
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155. I am wondering
The republicans are probably pushing for Obama now because they are worried either Hilary or Edwards can win in the south. I honestly believe they do not think an African American can win enough votes in the south and would love to see the democrats have him as their presidential candidate. I ask, has America changed enough and is America ready to think forward with this decision. My personal feelings are , not yet.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:52 AM
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176. I would venture to say
that the folks in the south who vote Democrat will vote for a black Democrat and that blacks in the south, and elsewhere, who have not voted in years or never voted will vote for a black Democrat.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:20 AM
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215. Bingo.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:19 AM
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214. I hate to tell you this but the Repukes would LOVE for Hillary to be
the nominee; they know she can't take the south.

I disagree. Obama has just as much of a chance as Hillary, heck a much greater one considering how much she is hated.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:16 AM
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114. Congratulations to Senator Obama and his supporters.
Now I'm hoping that Edwards second place will attract at least enough money so that he can be competitive in New Hampshire.

If Obama winds up taking it all, at least I'll be able to vote for the Democrat in the general election without a clothespin on my nose.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:24 AM
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116. Congratulations to Sen. Obama and his supporters here! n/t
:)
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:54 AM
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126. Obama/Edwards 08!!!!
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 12:56 AM by and-justice-for-all
Cograts to Barack. The fundi nuts are scared to death of Obama. Mainly because of his middle name and that his mother is a n Atheist; which I consider a bonus. Huckabee does not have a chance.

Please people, REMAIN POSITIVE all the way to the end, OK?!!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:28 AM
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139. Yay Iowa! GO, Obama!!!
Woooooo Hoooooo! Yay America!


:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:13 AM
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154. Beautiful day!
Gobama! And go Democrats! A great and moving speech tonight, too. Still, it's far from over. :)
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:49 AM
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163. Like Iowa is a great cross representation of America......
Iowa is as white bread as they come. :eyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard/?d=IA

Look to the far right of these statistics and see the racial makeup of the Iowan voters. Iowa = white bread. Why anyone would see Iowa as a litmus test of all Americans' opinions is far beyond my comprehension.

This is an aberration, folks, pure and simple. Anyone who thinks that Iowa has picked our next Presidential candidate is sorely mistaken. Just sayin'.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:08 AM
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171. exactly...
if Obama, a black man with a name that rhymes with Osama and who has a midle name of Hussein can WIN in WHITE BREAD country...imagine what he will do in more cosmopolitan parts of the country.

Keep hoping for Clinton to win....it ain't happening.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:57 AM
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170. hell.yes.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:19 AM
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180. Hillaryism: rubbish in third place, where it belongs
Time to celebrate! In at least one state, Democrats have rejected more right wing politics-as-usual from DINOs. (Trotting out old Mr. NAFTA himself was hardly going to wow Iowans--proof that after the stock bubble that paid for its popularity, Billary for sensible midwesterners has all the fetid allure of, say, Bennifer.)

And why stop here? In time, we may drive Clintonism into the shadows where it belongs. Surely a logical step after defeating Her Corporateness in the primaries will be to find a worthy Democrat for New York.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:01 AM
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187. I'll have to admit.
It is nice to see an evening on DU where the Hillbots aren't prancing around beating everyone over the head with the Hammer Of Inevitability.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 07:59 AM
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186. This is very exciting. I don't remember another candidate getting
the younger voters out in such numbers.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:04 AM
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188. Congratulations, Mr. Obama!
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:10 AM
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189. Surprising result
The early results I saw all had Edwards in the lead and very little between the top three.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:11 AM
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190. Kick for Obama. No more Clinton's and No more Bush.
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Maryland Liberal Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:17 AM
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193. Which poll was closest to the truth?
Turns out it was the Des Moines Register that had Obama up by 7%. I still can't figure out how the American Res. Group poll had it Clinton by 9%. Along the same lines - how does the Suffolk/WHDH poll have it Clinton by 12 in New Hampshire?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:13 AM
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202. Thanks for the info, was wondering about that (n/t)
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:35 AM
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195. How often have the Iowa caucuses predicted the nominee?
This might be encouraging, but people are definitely jumping the gun.
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johnp Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:56 AM
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196. Ha! The crazy bitch lost
Go Obama! Maybe after Obama is elected president he can have the old one thrown in jail at the Hague for war crimes. Gotta luv it!
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:10 AM
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201. Wow, your graciousness in a caucus victory is so refreshing. nt
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:23 AM
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203. You are devoid
of any grace or charm.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:38 PM
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257. She's NOT a "crazy btich" !
Stop attacking our own for Christ sake ! Hillary is not my first choice nor my second (I'm for Edwards and Obama as my first and second choices), but she is NOT a "crazy bitch" !! She'd be ten times better than any R, and this isn't over yet. If she is not nominated, we need to unite and we need her and supporters to help the nominee. You lose the argument the minute you start chucking out nasty name calling like that. Take a more dignified road and stop this divisive infighting attitude please. It only helps the R's. Thanks.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:08 AM
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198. Obama turned back EDWARDS, remember, he finished second!!
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:24 AM
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204. Just woke up from a late evening
one word......wow. The people have spoken. I am surprised...I will support Obama 100 %...on to NH
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:49 AM
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208. Congratulations, Barack Obama!
Best wishes and good luck to his supporters as well - if he wins the nomination (and it's starting to look that way) then I'll be joining your ranks as well! :)
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:56 AM
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209. The People hath spoken, and they want change! GOBAMA!!! n/t.
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Stump Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:12 AM
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212. Obama/Edwards 08'
Lookin' good!!!
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:33 AM
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216. Obama Vs Hukabee woudl be interesting
(keep all those videos and articles of Huckabee doing and saying stupid things in a vault somewhere. You know he and his will play dirty come election time and we will have to mount a gigantic counter offensive)
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:58 AM
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217. How very RACIST of MSNBC = "campaigning to be the first black president in American history"
He is campaigning to be President. Why are people black is they have one black ancestor? Why isn't Huckabee called a "white" Christian in the same article?

Is this simply racism?
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:18 AM
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219. I wish he would stop asserting that he isn't a Muslim.
He is just feeding into the right wing smear machine. It is sort of like how some children will continue to whine and moan when they see it will get them attention; Obama has much more class than that, he shouldn't even attend to such bigoted fear mongering with a response.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:31 AM
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222. A reflection of a divided America...
Interesting to view the two possible presidential candidates in terms of the reflection it offers of a divided America.

Republican versus Democrat. Theocracy versus democracy. White versus Black. The Haves versus the Have Nots. Justice for All versus Justice for Some. The list of polarities to juxtapose against each other is endless. And a reflection, again, of a divided America.

Even more interesting is to view both Huckabee and Obama as a reflection of the American people. Perhaps the American people have grown tired of being told who the party has decided the candidate will be and instead will decide for themselves. We really only have one party in this country. The Republicrat Party. Perhaps the American people have decided we need to go back to having two.

The real question, and the frightening question, is which America will prevail in November?
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:55 AM
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227. Congrats to Obama!
He's not my first choice, but he is a worthy choice, and a decent man.

I'm personally disappointed my first choice, Kucinich, got totally skunked. I didn't expect him to place first, but I was hoping he'd get some precincts.

But I am pleased to see Obama in first place and Edwards in second place. Definitely a good result for me.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:13 PM
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233. Congrats Obama! the fight has just begun-great first start!
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curiousdemo Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:07 PM
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241. The Repuks know their are in trouble......

The turnout for Democrats was record breaking. Even the Fox Noise Channel pundits was stating the obvious. Come November, Bush/Cheney, and their criminal enterprise will be history. :kick: :kick:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:39 PM
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243. Ah, that's heartening. As flawed as Obama is, thank goodness it wasn't Clinton.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 01:39 PM by Zhade
Hopefully that caused some of the more blindly virulent Clinton supporters, who assumed the nomination hers without effort, to shut the everloving fuck up for a minute and realize she's not going to be anointed.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:55 PM
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265. Zhade and I agree. Hmmm...It's true what they say. Change is good.
:hi:
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:49 PM
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248. Congratulations to Obama, and congratulations to Iowa for making us proud..
I support Edwards, but if Obama becomes the nominee, that's a win, too.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:27 PM
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254. And congrats to the pollsters
For proving that they're on a collision course with oblivion!

:rofl:
rocknation
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