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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:16 PM
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Iran plays down Gulf incident with US
Source: AP

Iran plays down Gulf incident with US By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer
5 minutes ago



TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's Foreign Ministry said Monday that a confrontation between Iranian boats and U.S. Navy ships in Gulf over the weekend was "something normal" and was resolved. It suggested the Iranian boats had not recognized the U.S. vessels.

The Pentagon said that in the incident early Sunday, five small Iranian boats repeatedly "charged" U.S. warships in the Gulf's Hormuz Strait and dropped boxes in the water. The boats warned the U.S. ships that they would set up "explosions," a U.S. Defense Department official said.

The U.S. craft were on the verge of opening fire when the Iranian boats fled, the official said, calling the incidident "the most serious provocation of its sort" in the Gulf. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record.

But Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammed Ali Hosseini played down the incident, suggesting it was an issue of mistaken identity. He did not comment on the U.S. claims of the Iranian boats' actions.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080107/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_us_navy_1
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:23 PM
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1. "the most serious provocation of its sort" in the Gulf (!!)
Yeah... How Dare Iranians Sail On The BFEE's Gulf!! :sarcasm:

OH! And BTW: How Dare They Sell darth cheneyous's OIL in Euros Also!! /no sarcasm
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 06:12 PM
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19. .." "I'm coming at you and you will blow up in a couple of minutes," ".....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080107/ts_afp/usiranmilitarynavy
sounds like a prctice "cry wolf" provocation run to me also.

of course,
if we were on station in the gulf ourselves and heard such banter....
we would know they were not serious about actually running such a lotus blossom mission right ? ;)
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 08:49 PM
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23. if we were on station
there ourselves, I would still tell ya about the freedom of selling oil in the currency of their chosing, first, and that we shouldn't even be there to play tiger and boys for the chickenhawks' deep pockets to spit on us for the rest of our lives in the first place.

What do you think?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:45 PM
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33. You didn't answer the question

Actually, you did.

You would never be in such a position of placing yourself in harms way .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuPJ3BGLguk&eurl=http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113571


eom


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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:11 PM
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38. Because I find naval battles to be such an archaic concept. - eom
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:46 PM
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2. uh-huh ... "on condition of anonymity"
Won't anybody take responsibility for what seems to read as propaganda?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:58 PM
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3. some are on the record now
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:08 PM
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4. How very, very dare they -
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 01:12 PM by edwardlindy
attacking destroyers with what in comparison were probably pedallos. If it was that serious how come no pictures have been released to the USA's joke media ?

The Beeb referred to them as "speedboats" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7175325.stm
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:16 PM
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5. CNN is still pushing they were Rev. Guard while the Pentagon
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 01:18 PM by maddezmom
has already said, it's not been confirmed. :eyes:

edited to add link:


Whitman said the Pentagon will work with State and National Security Council officials to determine "the appropriate way to address this with the Iranian government."

The U.S. vessels were in international waters, making a normal transit into the Gulf, Whitman said, adding that the Iranian boats were operating at "distances and speeds that showed reckless and dangerous intent — reckless, dangerous and potentially hostile intent."

He said the episode lasted 15 to 20 minutes but wouldn't say whether officials know for certain whether the were vessels were Iranian Revolutionary Guard or regular Iranian navy. The Revolutionary Guard forces have been known to be more aggressive than the regular navy.

"At least some were visibly armed. Small Iranian fastboats made some aggressive maneuvers against our vessels and indicated some hostile intent," Whitman.

more: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3127702&mesg_id=3127992

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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:01 PM
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10. Iran's news network confirms it was Iran Rev. Guard
The Revolutionary Guards, Iran's elite ideological force, confirmed that their naval forces were involved in the incident with US naval ships but said "nothing out of the ordinary" took place, the Fars news agency reported.

"Nothing out of the ordinary happened between Guards' patrol forces and the US boats in the international waters in the Strait of Hormuz," the agency quoted an informed source in the Guards' naval force as saying.

It quoted the source as saying the incident took place at "7:40 am yesterday" (0410 GMT on Sunday).

"Revolutionary Guards naval vessels were patrolling the Straits of Hormuz and patrolling the incoming and outgoing vessels into the Persian Gulf," the source added.

"Three American warships were entering regional waters and as usual they were identified and questioned.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080107/wl_mideast_afp/usiranmilitarynavy_080107195429
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 06:21 PM
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20. "October 12, 2000, suicide bombers detonated explosives on the port side of the USS Cole "


http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=October&x=20061013153358sjhtrop0.9606439

I'm sure you'd be willing to trade places while the Iranian Rev. guard play out their hand of innocent threats ?
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:11 PM
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24. Methinks you confuse the guard with al-CIAda. Happens. n/t
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:17 PM
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25. The republican guard
the ones the who blew the Marine Barracks in Beirut. The ones who killed french troops. This led to the french bombing them.

Iran plays games with little boats all the time. We used to sink them regularly 20 years ago.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:27 PM
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27. And the US plays games with big boats all the time.
And, usually, everywhere else than here.

Can you tell me what the difference is?

I can't see it.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:38 PM
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30. We win naval battles..
Iran, not so much. When someone teaches a course on how perfectly you loose a different approach is warranted.

Vessels in international waters. End of story.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:45 PM
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34. Ok. Maybe not "all the time," just "from time to time." My bad. n/t
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rockybelt Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:23 PM
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6. What gulf is this?
The Gulf of Tonkin?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:11 PM
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8. That's what I said...
I soon as I heard the news...
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frankieT Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:05 PM
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14. Persian Gulf
... like in Persia ? Interesting :D
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rockybelt Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 06:04 PM
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18. The
Gulf of Tonkin was Lyndon Johnson's way of escalating the Viet Nam war.
Same thing little georgie is trying to do by sailing into THEIR gulf and saying THEY are provoking an incident. Please read some history.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 07:46 PM
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22. IMHO, this is why he is going to Israel. Keep an eye on the date when Israel bombs Iran.
The date of his visit won't be far off from the bombing.
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rockybelt Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:51 PM
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35. As you recall
he went to Israel a little earlier. I believe that meeting was to set the time schedule for an incident in the U.S. and the retaliatory bombing of Iran. That plan was laid to waste by the leaked NIE report. A new schedule had to be laid out. It will still involve an "incident" but the incident may not happen in the U.S. but will effect U.S. "national security or national interests" that will result in the bombing, and I mean nuclear, of Iran.

These psychopaths are determined to start WWIII no matter what the consequences. They will try to start WWIII by any means possible. The current vice president is neck deep into an operation (BAE) that supplies money and arms, including nuclear, to just about anybody that wants them. If you pay any attention to the UK newspapers you will find this breaking story.

This is the reason that the impeachment of bush and cheney cannot wait. The more desperate they become, the more desperate measures they will employ to achieve their goals of world domination.
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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:42 PM
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7. August 5 1964:
LBJ's Message to Congress on the Gulf of Tonkin "incident": (At least he bothered to send one!)

http://www.hbci.com/~tgort/johnson.htm

"Last night I announced to the American people that the North Vietnamese regime had conducted further deliberate attacks against U.S. naval vessels operating in international waters, and I had therefore directed air action against gunboats and supporting facilities used in these hostile operations. . . The threat to the free nations of southeast Asia has long been clear. The North Vietnamese regime has constantly sought to take over South Vietnam and Laos. This Communist regime has violated the Geneva accords for Vietnam. It has systematically conducted a campaign of subversion, which includes the direction, training, and supply of personnel and arms for the conduct of guerrilla warfare in South Vietnamese territory. . .

In recent months, the actions of the North Vietnamese regime have become steadily more threatening...

As I have repeatedly made clear, the United States intends no rashness, and seeks no wider war. . . "

<snip>

And we all know how that worked out.

Throwing a few boxes into the Strait of Hormuz might be a causus belli, but go ahead and try to sink one of our ships and kill 34 of our guys and you get a free pass. . . If you're Israel that is.

Remember the USS Liberty?

http://judicial-inc.biz/a._ttack_on_the_uss_liberty.htm
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:52 PM
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17. Big difference betwee LBJ's GoT resolution and the straits of Hormuz
The Persian gulf is a superhighway of supertankers and merchant traffic squeezed into less then two miles of two lane traffic.

lots of eyes in the straits.....

just saying the recent incident isn't going to get the current Texas president to put 500,000 troops in a narrow waterway.

Remember operation preying mantis?

SO do the the Iranian senior officers
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:35 PM
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9. At least Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammed Ali Hosseini
is actually identified rather than our government, whose agents are referred to as 'anonymous'.

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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:06 PM
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11. Perhaps they were Israeli agents and therefore the anonymity.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 03:06 PM by BeHereNow
The warmongers don't want too much publicity
about their coalition with the Israeli military.
It would spoil their future plans to defend Israel
after blaming an attack on Iran.

BHN
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:45 PM
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12. Gnats attacking an elephant
but it makes for good rePub drama.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 06:28 PM
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21. Achilles had a heel
nt
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clarence swinney Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:50 PM
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13. JUST PLAYFUL KIDS
like our young seaman accustomed to video games and fired missile from Vicennes to kill 290 innocent Iranians.

Oh! They is brown skinned.
Oh! They is Muslim.
Oh! There is only 1,500,000,000 of them.
Oh! They commit suicide.
Oh! They do not have nukes.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:13 PM
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15. Persians think they own our Persian Gulf /NT
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:45 PM
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16. ...."Iranian boats had not recognized the U.S. vessels".... yeah, thats understandable
five cigarette boat captains, not a one recognizing a warship.

Not very well trained imo
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:21 PM
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26. "Mistaken Identity"?
:rofl:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:31 PM
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29. US Navy has been deploying SEAL teams into Iranian territory
this is really what is going on in there.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:43 PM
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32. That is a great guess..
regretfully you have no way to back that up.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:55 PM
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36. The Iranians have seal teams deployed throughout the area also
They operate from oil platforms inside and outside the strait.

just another fact of life.... until a supertanker hits a mine then it will be a game of "Who's mine is it?" ;)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:29 PM
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28. I suspected something along the lines of the Gulf of Tonkin "incident."
There are people in Washington and Jerusalem itching to plunge our country into another war.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:42 PM
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31. I suspect "Praying Mantis"
Iran and the navy have a nice history. We shot their ski boats and then sank or broke their navy last time around.

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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:07 PM
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37. I suspect the Iranian mullahs understand the rules
and have been put on notice from all the players . China understands the US Navy mission as well as the dozen nations undertaking the same mission.
face it,the mullahs will be hearing from the Chinese loud and clear if an unfortunate cat and mouse incident were to get out of hand.

Mullahs won't want to piss off thier neighbor or toy with his vital oil supply main line.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:17 PM
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39. Google up "Paul Van Riper"
After what he did in 2002, if I was out in one of those Navy ships I might be a little nervous too...

Wake-up call

At the height of the summer (of 2002:GG), as talk of invading Iraq built in Washington like a dark, billowing storm, the US armed forces staged a rehearsal using over 13,000 troops, countless computers and $250m. Officially, America won and a rogue state was liberated from an evil dictator.

What really happened is quite another story, one that has set alarm bells ringing throughout America's defence establishment and raised questions over the US military's readiness for an Iraqi invasion. In fact, this war game was won by Saddam Hussein, or at least by the retired marine playing the Iraqi dictator's part, Lieutenant General Paul Van Riper.

(snip)

"The game was described as free play. In other words, there were two sides trying to win," Van Riper says.

Even when playing an evil dictator, the marine veteran clearly takes winning very seriously. He reckoned Blue would try to launch a surprise strike, in line with the administration's new pre-emptive doctrine, "so I decided I would attack first."

Van Riper had at his disposal a computer-generated flotilla of small boats and planes, many of them civilian, which he kept buzzing around the virtual Persian Gulf in circles as the game was about to get under way. As the US fleet entered the Gulf, Van Riper gave a signal - not in a radio transmission that might have been intercepted, but in a coded message broadcast from the minarets of mosques at the call to prayer. The seemingly harmless pleasure craft and propeller planes suddenly turned deadly, ramming into Blue boats and airfields along the Gulf in scores of al-Qaida-style suicide attacks. Meanwhile, Chinese Silkworm-type cruise missiles fired from some of the small boats sank the US fleet's only aircraft carrier and two marine helicopter carriers. The tactics were reminiscent of the al-Qaida attack on the USS Cole in Yemen two years ago, but the Blue fleet did not seem prepared. Sixteen ships were sunk altogether, along with thousands of marines. If it had really happened, it would have been the worst naval disaster since Pearl Harbor.

It was at this point that the generals and admirals monitoring the war game called time out.

"A phrase I heard over and over was: 'That would never have happened,'" Van Riper recalls. "And I said: nobody would have thought that anyone would fly an airliner into the World Trade Centre... but nobody seemed interested."

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