Clinton camp hits Obama | Attacks 'painful' for black voters

Source: The State

Sharp criticism of Barack Obama and other comments about Martin Luther King Jr. — all from people associated with Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign — have generated resentment among some black S.C. voters.

(snip)

Those on both sides say watching the battle unfold in the Palmetto State, where black voters could cast half of the votes in the Democratic primary, won’t be pretty.

“To some of us, it is painful,” said state Sen. Darrell Jackson, a Clinton supporter.

U.S. Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., had pledged to remain neutral as Democrats competed for votes in the state’s primary.

But the state’s only African-American congressman was quoted in The New York Times Friday saying he is reconsidering that stance in light of comments from Clinton.

She raised eyebrows in New Hampshire when she credited President Lyndon Baines Johnson, not the assassinated John F. Kennedy or King, for passing civil rights legislation.



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Bad Call (by Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo)
I think on (Hillary Clinton’s) MLK and Lyndon Johnson remark, the edited quote that's circulating from The Politico is misleading… (What she said was,) “‘I would point to the fact that that Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the President before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done. That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became a real in peoples lives because we had a president who said we are going to do it, and actually got it accomplished.’”

their agenda.

... that it took a president, not MLK, Jr. That's not a winning argument. Sorry.

you're obviously going to see what you wish to see only.

I think it's very clear from the statement what she is saying.

...before you start talking about what is or isn't clear.

He SIGNED the civil rights act, which was brought before him by the concerted efforts of a majority of congressmen and senators, who were prodded to action by the actions of JFK, MLK and, of course, himself, LBJ.

like she did.. it still sounds bad no matter what... Kennedy was dead.. how forceful can you get with Congress when your murdered in American streets? Stupid comment.. bad example...

She did not make the statement out of the blue -- She was asked to respond to early remarks by Obama; her response was appropriate given the question and the context.
Obama is a great candidate, as is Edwards and Clinton but Obama's supporters (and the ever-lazy media) are doing him a great diservice by distorting comments, and perpetuating such disgusting lies.

Oh, and they're just so FAIR and BALANCED, now!!!

I posted that in DEFENSE of Clinton.

what do you mean?

If their is a fuller quote please show me, but I think the one I posted explains her position well.

The Politico is a fucking right-wing tool. It's unsurprising that they would try to screw Clinton--they want her out of the race. They perceive Obama as the weaker candidate, easier to beat by the GOP. They may be wrong about that but that is why they go out of their way to trash Clinton.

The quote you provided wasn't FROM the Politico but it noted that the Politico was the one shopping the false, abbreviated, out-of-context quote.

Go back and read your first post and my response.

We are on the same basic page, here. You're 'misinterpreting.'

low blood sugar --must--go--eat--lunch

Damn you, DU!!!!

:eyes:

Obamas people are hyperactive when it comes to heaping criticism but implode at every slight, marching out Al Sharpton. This will turn off voters REAL fast.

Here's the money quote:

Aides believe that, combined with a surge of support among women, Clinton's 'crying' incident, and the possible role of race in bringing white voters to the New York senator's side, they see the makings of a reconfigured strategy to carry the campaign forward.

Edsall's whole column, otherwise of less interest, can be found at Huffpo at the following URL:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/11/as-new-hampshire-dust-set_n_81159.html

don't ya think?

It isnt Hillary who marches Al Sharpton out everytime Obama is criticized.

Bad move IMO.

"Black America will wake up"--Michelle Obama on MSNBC.
WASHINGTON—With polls showing African-Americans have yet to give overwhelming support to White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), his wife Michelle said “black America will wake up and get it" in an interview running on MSNBC on Monday.

MSNBC is using excerpts of a Michelle Obama interview to run in full on Tuesday morning. In a clip that’s featured in the afternoon cycle, Michelle Obama invoked the name of civil rights leaders Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. when talking about African-American turnout, a crucial voting bloc for the Illinois senator.

Michelle Obama said there was a "natural fear of possibility" and that there were times in her life when she was put down and not encouraged. There is "always that doubt in the minds of people of color."

She said the African-American community has to shake of its fear

“That’s what we want to show our community,” Michelle Obama said. "...We can do this too."

If elected, Obama, whose mother was white and father black, would be the first African-American president.

MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski landed the exclusive with Michelle Obama. Her father, Zbigniew Brzezinski, is one of Barack Obama’s national security advisers.


TOO late...she put it out there..And a lot of people I've talk to black white purple orange red....said when Obama used Oparah to up his popularity.."It was all about race."
{br} then you have Big Fish JJJ in Obama's campaign out then Talkin smack about Katrina and Hillary's tears...trying to bait the emotions of black voter ...hence SC...It has been about RACE from the beginning....But most folks don't want to admit it.

I am not against Obama! I AM for Hillary! But zero tolerance for the blatant double standard so ramp-id on this site.

NO SLIGHT TO ANYONE in that remark. While she may be had a John Kerry moment when she mispoke, she did not slight black people. It was a clumsy statement with no friggin' malice behind it.

But it's giving fools, liars, and bigots plenty of ammo to play the reverse-racism card.

without being racist and causing "pain" to the black voters. Shit people, it's a campaign for the number 1 leadership in country. Are we supposed to just let someone campaign for the job without any opposition from the others in the running for the job? Hell no, Obama can't get to the WH unopposed, nor should he. If he wants the job, he needs to campaign for as any other candidate does and always has, he needs to suffer the attacks, fight back and come out on top. If he doesn't do that, how do we know the best candidate won!
Flame away if you must, but that is how this undecided Democratic voter feels!

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All I can say is people need to be careful what they wish for...if this race does devolve into a "Who tossed racial insults?" exercise, the winners will be the Republicans.

At caucuses, everyone knows where you stand. In the voting booth, you can vote for that pasty Republican, and come out of the booth and lie like hell--and no one will ever know.

The Obama people seem to be the only people "upset" about this. It's a battle Obama didn't have to start. It will end up being used as another example of Obama being an empty suit, all hot air.

I was talking with an AA friend today while we worked on a project and he brought this up. He brought it up saying, "Can you believe the Obama people are twisting what Hllary said?" I said, "Yup, I can." We agreed this is the type of thing that eventually will be Obama's downfall because he has no substance. Just a lot of hot air. My friend is no newcomer to politics. He's been involved in many things in the party and the community for a great many years.

And whether it's the full quote, or a Politico snippet, her implications are still the same: apparently all the boycotts, marches, police dogs, mass jailings and outright murders mattered less than a president with a pen.

like mlk and all of those people that died black & white didn't mean anything. like the jail time and sit ins meant nothing. politicians don't do crap until they feel the blowback from the american people. too many people sacrificed too much for her to belittle it so. it has nothing to do w/obama, it reflects how she feels about our icons mlk & jfk. nothing pisses people off more than to minimize their icons. i won't vote for anyone just because they are a woman nor because they are black. i am keeping my mind open-but she should apologize for this one. i think i can relate now to the outrage of the lbgt community for that obama-mcclurkin rally. i am insulted as hell. i am even more pissed that other folks can't see the diss. it was a swipe at him but she took a swipe at me and many people like me instead.

people are upset about this. How dare your friend presume to speak for me. If it can't be Edwards, and I doubt it will be Obama at this point, it won't make one whit of difference if people prefer McCain over Hillary Clinton (DLC).

He has a helluva lot more sense than you do. We just talk about people like you and shake our heads in dismay.

That Obama wants to bring race into this campaign reflects on his judgement.
And as for Michelle...either she didn't read Hillary's answer to a question she was asked or she's living in a bubble. Or she doesn't comprehend well.

What Hillary Clinton said is true. There would have been no civil rights bill without JFK and LBJ's support and action. None. People could have marched (and been beaten and killed, because without the support of the President that would have happened more often than it did). There were lots and lots of white people who rode on those freedom buses for equal rights. I remember clearly one young mother of five who climbed aboard a bus, rode down south and lost her life in the marches. She was white.
JFK called out the National Guard in Little Rock to allow integration of the schools. Do you really think that would have happened without JFKs support?
This rewriting of history to make it appear that it was black against white is sickening and not worthy of Democrats. The reason the equal rights legislation was passed is because people united to bring it to the forefront and demand it.
Denigrating Presidents whose support was needed is just ridiculous.
Hillary did not denigrate MLK. She has worked for civil rights relentlessly.

By the way, Obama is not the first African American to run for the presidency. Julian Bond ran back in the day. Not to mention Jesse and Sharpton. The reason Obama was/is appealing is because he was not running as just a black man. He was running as an American. Too bad he changed his mind.

This campaign is getting stupider and stupider. I can't believe Democrats would self destruct like this.

But her marks were said with a tin ear, though. Why didn't she say that Great White Father bestowed his benevolence on the helpless masses, while she was at it?

It was a joint effort, where the politicians were behind the people that they were supposed to be leading. What an insult.