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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:36 AM
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Panel Urges Federal Gas Tax Increase Of Up To 40 Cents Per Gallon
Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - A special commission is urging the government to raise federal gasoline taxes by as much as 40 cents per gallon over five years as part of a sweeping overhaul designed to ease traffic congestion and repair the nation's decaying bridges and roads.

The two-year study being released Tuesday by the National Surface Transportation Policy and Revenue Study Commission, the first to recommend broad changes after the devastating bridge collapse in Minneapolis last August, warns that urgent action is needed to avoid future disasters.

Under the recommendation, the current tax of 18.4 cents per gallon for unleaded gasoline would be increased annually for five years - by anywhere from 5 cents to 8 cents each year - and then indexed to inflation afterward to help fix the infrastructure, expand public transit and highways as well as broaden railway and rural access, according to persons with direct knowledge of the report, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the report is not yet public.

The report also calls for rebuilding and expanding the national rail network to meet a growing demand for alternatives to congested highways.

---EOE---

Read more: http://www.2news.tv/news/national/13797027.html
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nightrider767 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:38 AM
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1. Horrible Idea!
Absolutely dreadful...
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:39 AM
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2. Why not? Most Americans will soon be unable to afford to buy food, much less gas!
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:45 AM
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3. Remember when John Anderson suggested a 50 cent tax on gasoline
back in the 70's. Think where we might be with alternative fuel and automobiles now if people had paid attention to him. The tax was supposed to go into a fund to create alternative sources of fuel and increase auto mileage. Reagan thought Americans should not have to sacrifice for anything, including their own future.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:48 AM
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4. Is this supposed to be the death nail to the middle class?
Record high gas prices isn't enough?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:50 AM
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5. That'll cut down on traffic allright. The only thing on the road will
be limos and luxury autos.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:50 AM
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6. Gee, I wonder if Dubya's tax cuts for the rich weren't in place, would there be money to pay for
infrastructure?
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:54 AM
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9. Or if we weren't spending a couple of $billion a week in Iraq.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:52 AM
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7. all they have to do is tax the fuel speculators/hedge fund like the Lottery, up front before you get
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:56 AM by sam sarrha
the money.. that is how Clinton created the prosperity era, kept prices down too, it stopped looting feeding frenzy's like the oil situation now.

about 30% of the price of oil is speculators paying little or no taxes on profits, not including threat insurance. we just gave the oil companies a $15 billion subsidy
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:53 AM
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8. This is a lead balloon.
I doubt many people of any political ilk would be in favor of this. Ultimately the money would be sent down to the state legislatures to spend, and without any iron clad requirement to use the money specifically for roadway maintenance, they would just piss it away.

Why not get rid of the wasteful spending before increasing taxes?
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:55 AM
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10. Watch how all the candidates get behind this popular notion.
Not.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:58 AM
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11. Money's not the problem...prioritie are
we have more than enough money coming into our national treasuries from present revenue raising schemes. And we can make it better with more progressive taxes.

We SPEND our money on trillion dollar wars of choices and subsidizing client states like Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Instead of spending it on universal healthcare, top quality education, top quality public transportion and top quality national infrastructure. We don't spend it on renewable energy research as much as should.

We have the money...we're SPENDING it wrong.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:03 PM
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12. The problem with any tax, is they never seem to go where originally intended.
Part of the so called Social Security "problem" is that the "fund" is used by both Republicans & Democrats alike to pay for "other" things. If you could get a particular tax/fee to be guaranteed to go for what it was intended for, a lot of people wouldn't be adverse to some of these taxes.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:07 PM
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13. Crazy idea here. How about they repeal some of the tax breaks for the oil companies instead?
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 12:09 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
After doing that they should also stop tossing billions of dollars a year down the bottomless pit that is the Iraq war.

Then we just might actually have some money to spend on our own infrastructure without raising taxes on the average working class citizens who are already finding it difficult to impossible to make ends meet.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:27 PM
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19. Lets revolk all of their tax credits.
Do you suppose that the Exxon's of the world will simply absorb the additional tax from their profit margin. I doubt it. The additional taxes collected will be passed penny for penny to the people that purchase gasoline, diesel, kerosene, and all other POL products.
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:13 PM
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14. Shitty idea.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 12:39 PM by Heywoodj
Most people are having a hard enough time making ends meet, and a jump will only push more people over the brink. It'll also make prices for food and other services soar into the stratosphere - regardless of actual cost increase, this tax will be used as an excuse for price gouging. "Yeah, the cost of ______ went up 40%, didn't you hear about that new tax?"

I'll nth the idea of canceling tax breaks for Big Oil or diverting money from the war. The US government's net revenues for any year in recent history are over two trillion dollars. Take some from that, not more from the people. There's more than enough money to cut from pork like the Bridge to Nowhere or Blackwater's paychecks.


However, the idea of repairing and expanding Amtrak is a decent idea. If you could take the train for the same amount of money or less than to drive, and not have to deal with the hassle, I know many people who would take it. Especially if it doesn't involve a near-strip-search like the airport.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:32 PM
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15. It is a start, but a better idea would be a Dollar a gallon or more (like the Rest of the world).
People the price of Gasoline will go up and up, there is NOT much we can do about that fact. The increase in gasoline has to do with the simple fact world wide oil production has peaked or will peak, the Dollar is in decline and the rest of the world are willing to pay top price for oil. Unless a huge new source of oil is found (and NO geologist is counting on that, all state the big field were found prior to 1970, the fields being found today would NOT even have been reported as a find in the 1960s).

Thus we have to address the problem on HOW TO SOLVE THE UPCOMING OIL SHORTAGE. We can wait for it to hit, but it would be better to plan ahead for it to minimize loss of jobs, loss of economic opportunity and even the loss of access to food. NOT increasing gasoline tax is just doing that, delay addressing the problem oil production decline till we can avoid it no longer (i.e. when no one can afford gasoline, but that will be to late).

Oil production will decline, and we need to adjust to a post-oil economy. Now oil will be produced for about another 140 years, but in declining amounts each year. Hubbert peak follows a standard statistical curve. For the lower 48 states it peaked in 1970, so today, 35 years later, the lower 48 is producing about the same oil as we did in 1935, 35 years before the US peaked in 1970. In 1935 the US was the dominate oil EXPORTER in the world, tells you how much we have changed since 1935 do to access to cheap oil.

The problem is that in 1935 we had a very effective Mass Transit system, farming was still horse dominated, most inner-city travel was by train, either coal or Electric driven. All of which has died out since 1945 and the US completely embracing the automobile lifestyle. To use the oil we used in 1935, all of these items will have to be re-instated and ALL of them cost money.

Furthermore, the above is just if we want to return to oil usage as used in 1935, but e also have to look forward and eliminate other excessive use of oil, i.e. Highway bottle necks. We know where they are, they are expensive to correct but once corrected will save a huge amount of gasoline (The "Big Dig" in Boston is an example of this).

If we would do adopt a Dollar a gallon tax, I would spend it as followings (Please note the 40 cents a gallon tax increase will NOT DO ANY OTHER THESE, instead will just permit upgrading of the existing interstate highway system):

1. 20 Cents on Rural Bridges that need to be replaced. These Bridges are in bad shape, but expensive to repair, but lack of repair forces people to drive 10-20 miles (or more) do to that Bridge being out. A huge saving in Gasoline.

2. 20 Cents on Getting mass transits off the streets (i.e. Streetcars underground). Most cities do NOT need a full scale subway like New York City, but if you were to use a cover and fill technology (i.e. dig up the road, install the rail line, then fill it over) you could replace most of the buses used in urban areas (And given no traffic to block them, permit them to be as fast as cars when moving people from one part of the city to the next). This is free up many roads from the buses that now clog them for buses travel on the same streets as cars. Both that people will use Mass Transit for it would be faster AND that the buses be off the Streets will help traffic flow. Both will reduce oil demand, and with the drop in demand so will price.

3. 20 Cents on inner city rail. When traveling less than 600 miles, rail is considered better than air, but only if you have more than four trains per day. Most US rail lines do NOT have that many trains a day. Many people will opt for rail if they did NOT have to wait all day for the only train that makes the trip. More people will opt for rail travel IF it would come more frequently and more reliable then it does at present, and the only way to improve such service is to buy new equipment and run the additional

4. 20 cents on bike trails. Most of the Cheap trails are in, what is needed are trails in urban areas where people can ride their bikes without fearing that a car will hit them. Again to save gasoline and give people transportation options other then driving their cars.

5. 20 cents on "bottle necks", intersections that are known to slow down traffic and waste gasoline waiting for lights and other traffic to go by. These should be given a number the Worse to the best. The rating should be based on how much FUEL in wasted at such intersections or other bottlenecks. The higher the rating, the sooner the problem of the bottleneck will be resolved. Most bottlenecks exist to to the expense of eliminating them, there are expensive and why they have lasted as long as they have. Most people know the bottlenecks in their hometown, and avoid them but most people can NOT do to the fact people have to go through them to get where they want to go.

Now as to other funds for the above projects. First, Congress does NOT like spending any money not dedicated to that project. While, under the US Constitution, the can be NO restriction on how certain taxes are spent, Congress remembers WHY certain taxes were spent and to protect themselves politically that money goes to that project. Yes, Excess Social Security Taxes goes into the General fund, but Congress set up a special "Treasury bond" system for such excess funds. The excess money is spent today, but Congress understand it has to be paid back to the Social Security Fund. IT would be political suicide to do otherwise. The same with the tax on Guns and Ammunition, Congress can spend the money anyway congress wants to, but do to political reality, that tax money goes to outdoors and hunting recreation. Yes, Congress can and has mis-spent money, but any bureaucrat has done that. Congress has been caught and suffered the Political punishment for such actions. That is the best way to prevent such abuses, punish Congress when that happens. Congressmen want to be re-elected and thus will minimize such abuse.

As to "Special Interest" spending (i.e. Earmarks) that is one of the cost of any Political system. The Earmarks most attacks and often the ones the does the most good (For example Congressman Murtha is Number 1 in earmarks, but most of those earmarks are for things needed to be done in his district, for example the completion of several rails to trails paths long delayed while the GOP controlled Congress). Yes, Earmarks are often attack, and with good grounds, but Murtha was attacked for being Number 1, but none of his earmarks were ever mentioned. Why? Because ALL of theme were justified and to mention them is to show he was justified in getting them (THe Rails to Trails is just one example).

My point is, this 40 cents a gallon would do more good then harm. It will provide money to improve infrastructure. It will encourage people to look at ways to cut their own gasoline usage (and at alternatives to gasoline usage). Given the overall situation with oil both are good things and we, as a nation, should be doing.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:35 PM
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16. NO__STOP THE WAR
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:37 PM
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17. Or...
Repeal the tax cuts
Stop the war
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:10 PM
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18. Good idea. This should disprove the idea of a free market in gasoline prices.
After all, if it's demand and supply that determine the price, and according to the oil companies, supply is fixed.

Raising taxes should lower demand, but when that creates surpluses, the price should fall right back to where it is now, the only difference being that $.40 which is now going from the oil companies would now go to the Treasury.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:23 PM
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20. Would each state get the tax dollars generated from the state?
Or would this be another case of (generally) red states siphoning money from blue states?
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:08 PM
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21. Good point. n/t
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:19 PM
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22. Another asshole idea to impoverish the working class
further.
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