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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:29 PM
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Pope's visit to Rome university canceled after protests
Source: AP

VATICAN CITY (AP) - Pope Benedict XVI has canceled his visit to a Rome university following protests by professors and students, the Vatican said Tuesday.

«It was considered opportune to skip the event,» the Vatican said in a statement about Benedict's planned visit and speech Thursday at La Sapienza, a public university.

Read more: http://www.pr-inside.com/vatican-pope-s-visit-to-rome-university-r387708.htm



Another article explains why the Italians are upset
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Religion/?id=1.0.1772742968

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But according to Italian media reports, 67 professors and lecturers have signed a letter saying the Pope's views on Galileo "offend and humiliate us".

They said it would be "incongruous" for the pontiff to open the university's academic year and want his visit to be stopped.

Their letter referred to a remark by Benedict, when he was still Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, that the Catholic Church's trial of the Italian astronomer was "reasonable and just". They claim the pontiff condoned the 1633 trial and conviction of Galileo for heresy after he argued that the earth revolved around the sun.

La Sapienza physics professor Andrea Frova, author of a book about Galileo, and other academics at the university claims the church still tries to exercise its influence on scientific progress today.

. . .

In a separate move students at La Sapienza have begun a week-long "anticlerical " protest and have hung banners on the walls of university buildings.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:36 PM
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1. This Pope seems to very good at opening up old wounds.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:39 PM
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2. How 'bout his fucking views on Fascism?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:15 PM
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4. Or his fucking views on celibacy?
I mean celibate views on fucking.

;-)
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:14 AM
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35. Amen, brotha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:37 PM
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17. We already know his views on fascism
He was born in Germany in the 1920's and drafted into the Hitler Youth when he was a little boy and that makes him a NAZI!!!111 (© All Duers).
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:14 PM
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3. Hey, Benny, the Sun doesn't revolve about the Earth.
Nor does Rome around you.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:19 PM
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22. You may not believe this, but...
In 1954 I was a fourth grader in a Catholic school, and my teacher, a nun, tried to tell us that the sun orbited around the earth. Being an avid astronomy fan at that age, I kindly pointed out her error, assuming she had just misspoke herself. But no, she had not misspoken. She truly and honestly believed that the sun went around the earth. And I got my knuckles soundly smacked with a ruler for disagreeing with her.

The GOOD thing about that incident was that I knew that if they could be wrong about something as fundamental as the structure of the solar system, that when the nuns called me a worthless lazy no-good bum, I knew they were wrong about me too. From that day forward I took their every insult as a compliment! Her stupidity did a lot for my self-esteem. ;)
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:57 PM
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5. Where's Napolean when you need him?
Pope Nazi needs to drag his sorry fascist ass back to the rock he slithers under and do his witchdoctor dance with his cursed illgoten Jewish treasure teaching the rats and cockroaches his twisted neanderthal poor excuse for preschool fairy tale "science"!

:rant:

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:17 PM
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12. Damn Frog! Say what you really think!
:applause: I totally agree. This pope sucks.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:59 PM
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6. the Galileo trial has to be one of the most obvious example
of the Church's fallibility

the Church can be WRONG
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:33 PM
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7. ...
:applause:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:33 PM
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8. Der Popenfuhrer is proudly building a bridge back to the 12th Century. Ratso is an idiot. n/t
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:53 PM
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9. The bishops and the pope are running that religion into the ground
Ratz' organized against John Kerry and the heirarchy covers up pedophile criminal conspiracies like a bunch of mafioso.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:59 PM
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10. Good for them!
He also thinks that climate change is a myth. Glad of the protestors. Maybe one of his cardinals will see to his early demise as he did with JP2.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:13 PM
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11. he would never criticize the Inquisition. That was his job before this.
He's a complete bastard. You can take the boy out of Nazism but you can't take Nazism out of the boy apparently.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:21 PM
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13. Yep. Just like the bush junta.
Nazis through & through.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:27 PM
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31. You know he lead the department
that was historically the Inquisition office, right? The man is not right in his head... and it appears he is not satisfied with the traditional role of pope. He is a nutter for sure and I am so glad that those in the surrounding area (Rome) know that and will hopefully keep him in check as much as they can by protests.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:29 AM
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33. Ratz did not say "climate change was a myth"
A writer for a Boston newspaper took what he said and then inserted his own text to create a false controversy.

not that I am a fan of Ratzenberger
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twiceshy Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:29 PM
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14. Wow, you would think ........
all you assholes were bigoted against the church or something.
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:52 PM
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19. I'm an atheist.
Just this year, this pope just blamed atheists for the "greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice" in his "Spe Salvi".

Not only does this prove a complete disconnect from reality, it proves the Church's CONTINUAL disconnect from reality (just like his Galileo remarks).

Want to call me a bigoted asshole? Go for it.
But I think I'm going to have to call the Holy See one, as well.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:54 PM
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20. The worst thing that ever happened to the teachings of Jesus is
the structure of religion built over him. Just consider this: Benedict wears red gucci slippers. I doubt that Jesus would.

RV, who reveres Jesus in spite of 'The Church'
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:25 PM
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23. Whereas you are bigoted against...Science? Gallileo? Reason?
And yet you're using that theoretical "Electricity" stuff to post this over the Interwebs. Go figure!

:wtf:
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:38 PM
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24. I'm a diest
Anybody who tells me what "God wants" I instantly recognize as a vampire, mind control con artist.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:41 PM
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25. No, I just think most people find Pope L. Ron Benedict repulsive...
and they're right in thinking that.

:popcorn:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:31 AM
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34. Nothing says you have to participate here if you hate the assholes and bigots...eom
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:30 PM
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15. The Pope.
Absurd for 15? centuries.
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HERVEPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:33 PM
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16. Benny the Rat (apologies to Bartcop) gets his due.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:49 PM
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18. Good day for a hanging. Don't cross me, Mr. Pope. n/t
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:04 PM
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21. I think it is safe to assume the the Pope would support Huckabee
for president.

Both deny reality and support bigotry.

Religion is so good for the world and will solve all its ills. :sarcasm:
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:42 PM
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26. I am surprised no one has mentioned the US article makes no mention of the reason
I had to go to english translations of Italian articles to find out and post here why the Pope was not wanted.

The US AP article said nothing.
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RoseMead Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:01 PM
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27. Quote of the day, right here:
"Fifteen years ago Pope John Paul II officially conceded that in fact the earth was not stationary."

Nothing I read for the rest of the day will match this for sheer WTF value.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:30 PM
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30. Yep. So up until the 1990's the future Pope thought the earth was the center of the universe
Wonder what made him change his mind.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:03 PM
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28. The Rat Knows How to Turn People Away from God (nt)
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:03 PM
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29. One of JPII's mistakes was to allow Ratzinger's philosophy of Ojective Truth vs. Relativism
As head of the office of the Inquisition (Congregation for the doctrine of the faith) many theologians have been persecuted and have been forced to retract their errors and submit their writings to the correction of the Inquisition or face being silenced (i.e., Jon Sobrino and Gustavo Gutierrez, writing on Liberation Theology, Roger Haight, systematic theologian, and Anthony De mello, spiritual theologian). Under Ratzinger no developments in Theology (ecumenism; new categories, paradigms, images, narratives, for understanding dogmatic theology using our contemporary experience) are acceptable or permitted since the reform of the council of Trent countering the Lutheran Reformation and asserting the supreme Spiritual, Moral, and Civil authority of the Pope and the Bishops over all sovereign rulers on the earth! That's why he believes that there is nothing wrong with making statements against The Prophet Mohammed and Islam, or denying Global Warming, or defending the persecution and house arrest of Galilleo. It's a dark time for the Roman Church. I've been saddened by the U.S. Bishops who have returned to acting/being like the Medieval Feudal Lords they once were and treating everyone like serfs especially our Roman Catholic elected officials threatening them with excommunication or deny them communion. They have attempted to set themselves up as a shadown government asserting their supreme spiritual, moral and civil authority over our government and its laws and policies usurping the consent of the people. Why should they do otherwise; they are our Feudal Lords and we are their serfs.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:55 PM
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32. what, did he bite somebody already?
and I say this as a (lapsed) Catholic
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