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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:09 AM
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Military: 75% of Baghdad areas now secure
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 10:40 AM by sabra
Source: USA Today

About 75% of Baghdad's neighborhoods are now secure, a dramatic increase from 8% a year ago when President Bush ordered more troops to the capital, U.S. military figures show.

The military classifies 356 of Baghdad's 474 neighborhoods in the "control" or "retain" category of its four-tier security rating system, meaning enemy activity in those areas has been mostly eliminated and normal economic activity is resuming.

The data given by the military to USA TODAY provide one of the clearest snapshots yet of how security has improved in Baghdad since roughly 30,000 additional American troops arrived in Iraq last year.

U.S. commanders caution that the gains are still fragile, but at the moment U.S. and Iraqi forces "basically own the streets," said Col. Ricky Gibbs, a brigade commander in southern Baghdad.

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The 310 neighborhoods in the "control" category are secure, but depend on U.S. and Iraqi military forces to maintain the peace. The 46 areas in the "retain" category have reached a level where Iraqi police and security forces can maintain order, a more permanent fix. The remaining areas have fewer security forces based there, though they are not necessarily violent.

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-01-17-baghdad_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip



http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/01/is_iraq_75_full_or_25_empty.html

Is Iraq 75% Full or 25% Empty?
Posted by Ana Marie Cox


McCain jumped on the bus this morning brandishing a USA Today: "See this? See this?" He said, pointing to the headline, "75% of Baghdad Secure."

I asked, "What does that mean, exactly? What is the 75 percent a percentage of? Population?Acreage? Decrease in violence"

"Does that matter?" McCain replied, his light irony segueing into mock outrage. "Look at that headline!" He shook the paper for emphasis. McCain is acutely aware the extent to which his own candidacy was revived, in part, by changing fortunes in Iraq. And he delights in the news itself, though, as he pointed out later, "it has come at great cost, paid with the most precious American treasure."

The seventy-five percent, it turns out, is the proportion of Baghdad neighborhoods (specifically, 356 of 474). Next question: "What's the metric to decide whether a neighborhood is secure?"

McCain started skimming the article, then, with just a trace of impatience, explained, "If people can get out of their homes and go to work and live their lives, it's secure."

That fuzzy measure actually turns out to be pretty close to the official metric, which defines "secure" as "enemy activity in those areas has been mostly eliminated and normal economic activity is resuming." Further fake specificity splits "secure" into two levels, one where forces can "maintain the peace," and one where forces can "maintain order." Order is apparently more secure and "permanent" than peace. "American-style democracy," indeed.
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f the letter Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:19 AM
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1. Wow.. five years into the war,
we've almost secured Baghdad. Although the 'gains are still fragile' and the U.S. and Iraqi streets own the streets "at the moment."

Way to go surge for bringing 2/3 of a single city 'secured' up to 3/4 of a single city.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:29 AM
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5. 75% of Baghdad now ethnically cleansed. No more violence against "others".
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:21 AM
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2. 900 American lives and countless Iraqi lives later... barricades and
checkpoints and curfews and door-kicking raids and airstrikes...paying almost 200,000 "citizens" a monthly salary and arming them to tattle on and kill "enemies" of their own selection...WTF is it all for? How can this possibly last as a viable way of life? And still no exit strategy in sight.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:28 AM
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3. 46 areas in the "retain" category
that's the "real" number
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:40 AM
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9. it looks like McCain is all giddy about the report...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:47 AM
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10. ...
:puke:
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:29 AM
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4. Wasn't it 100% secure before we invaded? n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:47 AM
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11. LOL!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:32 AM
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6. As Martin Luther is said to have remarked . . .
"But who knows whether it is so?"
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:34 AM
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7. And how much is rural desert areas, or bombed to non-existence?
eom
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:34 AM
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8. And when we eventually leave? n/t
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:31 AM
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12. And how is their government coming along?
Do they even have a government? And what about the other 25% of Baghdad? Can we even believe them? We have been lied to about everything up to this point.
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jonnyra Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:43 AM
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13. I certainly hope this is true
I want nothing more than for these poor families caught up in the American oil barons invasion of their once calm nation to live in peace. But we all know how these fucks lie...every word outta the mouths of administration or military officals has proven to be a lie. So excuse me for being a bit skeptical of these numbers.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:45 PM
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14. Next we take Kabul!!!
SWEET VICTORY!!

:sarcasm:
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:47 PM
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15. Osammie Bin Forgotten must be hidin' out in that other 25% !!
We're gonna git him DEAD OR ALIVE!!!
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:13 PM
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16. What BS - Yeah only 11 killed today in a bombing
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:27 PM
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17. Almost 5 yrs and nearly 4k U.S. soldiers dead and they've gotten 3/4 of one city kind of secure.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 02:35 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
They really are grabbing at straws.
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