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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:20 PM
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Senate Logjammed on Surveillance Bill
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 06:34 PM by cal04
Source: Associated Press

The Senate voted Monday against extending the eavesdropping law beyond Feb. 1, increasing political pressure to pass a new version of the bill this week.

The existing law will expire Feb. 1, a deadline the White House, intelligence officials and congressional Republicans are using to push the Senate into adopting a bill that would also protect from civil lawsuits the telecommunications companies that allowed their customers to be wiretapped without court approval.

The Senate vote was 48-45, 12 votes short of the 60 needed to extend the law. Also on Monday, House Democratic leaders delayed until Tuesday a vote on whether to extend the law.

(snip)
The expiration of the law is more of a political deadline than a practical one, congressional Democrats say. All existing electronic surveillance activities can continue uninterrupted for at least a year from their commencement.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080128/ap_on_go_co/terrorist_surveillance_1



Glenn Greenwald Today's FISA vote
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/28/fisa_debate/index.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:23 PM
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1. Harry Reid should have only brought the Judicial committee version
up for a vote. He made the wrong choice. It is his fault.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:53 PM
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4. yes. yes. and yes. Wonder what made him change his mind all of a sudden?
all of a sudden he is against telecom immunity. wonder what happened?
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ToughLuck Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:11 PM
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7. Reid is a complete failure...Dodd should be MSL, ASAP!!!!
Reid has bungled before, and as far as Pelosi, neither has done right by the US Constitution..I can't stand either one of them.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:45 PM
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9. Agreed, but there was some sort of amazing turnaround. All of a sudden Reid, Feinstein,
Rockefeller, all of whom SUPPORTED telecom immunity voted against it. Something happened to change their minds.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:55 PM
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10. True. It is a mystery
Why are they finally sticking up for constitutional rights?

I wonder if the WH document release outlining what Telecoms are actually doing had anything to do with it.

Senators feeling like they were being lied to?
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:55 PM
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11. It was brought up for a vote, before the Intelligence Committee's (IIRC), it got tabled.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:23 PM
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2. But the activities can't continue if the telecoms are interrupting service
due to unpaid bills. Has that been resolved?


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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:29 PM
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3. FAR OUT FANTASTIC!!
The Democrats stood up to Bush and even won. I was so worried they'd cave again. Now if they can just hang on and hold out for a better bill we'll finally have a victory over Bush and on a most important matter too.

WAY TO GO DEMOCRATS!!
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:09 PM
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5. Good, don't give the right-wing bastards anything...
...but a hard time!
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:09 PM
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6.  U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 110th Congress - 2nd Session
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 07:19 PM by cal04
Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on Amdt. No. 3911 to S. 2248 )
Vote Number: 3 Vote Date: January 28, 2008, 04:43 PM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Cloture Motion Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 3911 to S. 2248 (FISA Amendments Act of 2007)
Statement of Purpose: In the nature of a substitute.
Vote Counts: YEAs 48
NAYs 45
Not Voting 7
In the end, four Dems crossed over to vote with the Republicans: Sens. Mark Pryor (D-AR), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) and Mary Landrieu (D-LA). Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) was the lone Republican to vote with the Dems.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/005158.php

Not Voting - 7
Coburn (R-OK)
Dole (R-NC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Harkin (D-IA)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
McCain (R-AZ)
Nelson (D-FL)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00003
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 03:19 PM
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12. You know, every time I see that "ID", I just read it as "idiot"... nt
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:25 PM
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8. Divided Senate Headed Toward Spy Bill Extension
(snip)
Nearly 40 lawsuits have been filed accusing AT&T Inc, Verizon Communications Inc and Sprint Nextel Corp of violating Americans' privacy rights in helping the government's warrantless domestic spying program.

On back-to-back votes, Democrats blocked a move to bring the bill up for a vote on passage, and Republicans stopped a bid to extend the law for 30 days.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, suggested the law be extended a month or more, perhaps even into the middle of next year when there will be a new president, to give both sides time to resolve differences.

"There is no reason to vote against an extension -- or for the president to veto one -- except for political posturing," Reid said.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/washington/politics-usa-congress-telecoms.html
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