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WistfulAssassin Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:30 PM
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Jesse Jackson: Not Upset by Clinton Remarks
Source: New York Times

The Rev. Jesse Jackson said late Sunday that he was not offended by comments on Saturday by former President Bill Clinton, who brought up Mr. Jackson’s name in response to a question about Senator Barack Obama.

Mr. Clinton had noted that Mr. Jackson had won South Carolina in the Democratic contests in 1984 and 1988. Pundits and many in the blogosphere interpreted Mr. Clinton’s mention of Mr. Jackson as an attempt to diminish Mr. Obama — and what would turn out to be his landslide victory Saturday in South Carolina over Senator Hillary Clinton — because Mr. Jackson had not gone on to win the Democratic nomination.

But Mr. Jackson said he did not see it that way.

“I don’t read anything negative into Clinton’s observation,” Mr. Jackson said in a phone conversation late Sunday night from India, where he is taking part in a commemoration of the 60th anniversary of the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi.


...

“Bill has done so much for race relations and inclusion, I would tend not to read a negative scenario into his comments.” He said his chief concern was that Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton not “bloody themselves” so much that they can’t unite against the Republicans in November.


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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:31 PM
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1. But the Clinton hating pundits and alot of DU are...
making this into faux outrage.
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WistfulAssassin Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:34 PM
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2. If you look at the comments
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 10:36 PM by WistfulAssassin
Clinton was citing the best example he could use when trying to downplay Obama's win.
These were sour grapes, of course, because when candidates lose, they try to downplay the other guy's victory. But by no means racist.
Clinton sought the strongest example, which was a candidate who had won SC the highest number of times without winning the primaries.
This candidate would not be white John Edwards, because he did it only once (winning SC and failing to win it all). Jackson's example was the strongest, since he is, IMO, the person only one who has done it twice.

If Edwards had been the one who had lost SC twice without winning it all, Clinton would have used him as an example.

But unfortunately for Clinton, Jackson was born black, and that means Bill is racist.

Even if Jackson doesn't think so.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:36 PM
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3. Tell that to much of this place, Ted Kennedy, Claire McCastkill...
and the media.
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WistfulAssassin Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:39 PM
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4. The media, lol
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 10:40 PM by WistfulAssassin
The same media that brought us George W. Bush twice and the Iraq war.

By the way, McCaskill and Kennedy are wrong.

The person who had something to be hurt about, isn't.

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BobbyVan Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:54 PM
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8. If Obama weren't black, would Clinton have mentioned Jesse Jackson?
Of course not.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:04 PM
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10. If Obama were not black there would have been no point to be made.
It is a simple fact that Jesse recieved the highest percentage of the black vote in SC during those elections. All Clinton was saying is that was understandable. The media has tried to spin the race card, not the Clintons and dittoheads keep buying into this crap.
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BobbyVan Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:08 PM
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12. My question was rhetorical...
Clinton was saying that Obama was a niche candidate, who wins on the backs of black people, just like Jesse Jackson. We Dems are better than that. In essense, Clinton was saying was that Obama's victory was tainted because of his overwhelming support from the black community.

We're all smart people, why can't we admit that that's the point Bill was making?
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Buzz cook Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:26 AM
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15. The point Clinton was making
Was that Obama had a larger base in South Carolina. Shocking I know, he should be pilloried for mentioning it.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:23 AM
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21. In context with Hillary's "spade" statement
It all has to be taken as a whole, not just an isolated incident. Of course they are doing whatever they have to in order to win, including playing up to residual racism.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:43 PM
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5. I suspect...
...that Jackson is green with envy, and he'd love Hillary to slap Obama down.
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WistfulAssassin Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:45 PM
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6. That is a racist statement
You just said something negative about Jesse Jackson, who is black.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:01 PM
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9. Why do you say that?
I don't think that Jesse Jackson is the kind of man you describe.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:18 PM
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14. Name something positive...
...Jesse Jackson has said about Obama lately.

How about this?

Jesse Jackson: Obama needs to bring more attention to Jena 6
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/19/jackson.jena6/index.html

And this?

Jackson Criticizes Obama's Sub-Prime Rescue Plan
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=53256d0ea97039be4f78578a749667fc&from=rss

He was more positive when Obama didn't look like a winner. And he is critical of Obama for not behaving like a classic civil-rights leader, including accusing Obama of "acting white"

Think about it. Jesse Jackson has worked for decades to build up his position, and his presidential runs went nowhere. Now Obama comes out of nowhere and catapults to the top, within reach of the Presidency. Jealousy is a common human emotion, and I think that it is at work here.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:26 AM
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20. Or maybe, just maybe...
Mr. Jackson thinks Obama should bring more attention to the Jena 6, and that there are problems with his sub-prime rescue plan. Criticism most certainly does not equal jealousy.

Just an observation, hon. Or maybe I'm jealous?
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:49 PM
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7. Jesse is an honest man who tells the truth as he sees it. I wish we had more like him.
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 10:53 PM by Benhurst
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:06 PM
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11. Jesse lived through real racial discrimantion, know the real
experience of harm because of racism. Therefore Jessee
knows the difference between truth and reality.
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BobbyVan Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:09 PM
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13. Um, what is the difference between truth and reality?
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Buzz cook Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:37 AM
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16. Truth is a metaphysical concept
Reality is a non-subjective state which doesn't include conceptual ideals.


Truth: The Grand Canyon is a gorgeous example of natures handy work.
Reality: The Grand Canyon is a big hole in the ground.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:46 AM
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17. If you compare someone to a very controversial figure, and then try to play innocent
what do you think people are going to say?

Bill Clinton wanted to associate Obama with a controversial figure, he knew exactly what he was doing.

People see it for what it is, and if the Clinton supporters believe this is helping their candidate, not only are they wrong, but they most likely will hurt it for whoever the nominee is in 2008






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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:47 AM
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18. Actualy this should most likely be in the politcal forum rather than LBN /nt
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DiamondJay Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:36 AM
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19. thats odd
jesse jackson being rational
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