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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:10 PM
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Clinton wins Florida, CNN projects
Source: CNN

(CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton will win the largely uncontested Florida Democratic primary, CNN projects, while rivals John McCain and Mitt Romney are in a tight race for the Republican contest.

With about 20 percent of Democratic precincts reporting, Clinton had 48 percent of the vote. Illinois Sen. Barack Obama was in second with 30 percent, and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards was in third.

With 20 percent of Republican precincts reporting, McCain and Romney each had slightly more than 30 percent of the vote. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani was about 10 points behind, followed by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/29/fl.primary/index.html
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:14 PM
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1. Does It Really Matter....


....No Mandate for Hillary here.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:15 PM
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2. Clintons win ... NOTHING!!
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:17 PM
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3. I know she wants us to think this is a big 'win', but ...... not so much.
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jonnywishbone97 Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:41 PM
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10. its a big win
for Hillary no doubt about it. over 200 delegates will be seated and Clinton will get a huge majority of them.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:08 PM
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15. No delegates will be seated. They broke the rules.
Michigan and Florida already agreed to the DNC schedule and then broke the rules after the fact.

Try that shit on DU and see if you get tombstoned within a week. I guarantee you will.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:28 PM
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4. Between Michigan and Florida, the Democratic party is a bunch of amatuers
Are we trying to lose the 2008 election?

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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:29 PM
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6. Seemingly. nt
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:28 PM
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5. I think they projected that...
like last week. Is this something 'new'?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:30 PM
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7. That was based on polls. This is based on election results from today. nt
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:33 PM
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8. What? I'm not getting something here...
why does a 'win' in Florida mean anything at all? Is this symbolic? A door prize?
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:49 PM
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13. Rudy
would settle for it about now. I guess the story is that this is the first election where they went head to head, with one candidate not really campaigning, and the other one putting all hope on this bet, and we can see which one won more votes.


The Repukes were right to reject Rudy's "I'm the only one who can beat Hillary Clinton" line of crap.

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riskpeace Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:49 PM
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27. Because more than 2 million Democrats voted
Hillary will end up getting more than a million Democratic votes in this swing state. That is a fact.
About 2.5 million votes will be cast in our primary.
It's very insulting to assume that Florida Democratic voters do not follow the campaign or have access to TV and internet to make an informed choice and do not have a right to have their voices heard. I live in Panama City and I doubt Senator Obama or any Dem candidate would have campaigned here anyway. So my decision would have been based on easily obtainable information either way.

As a matter of fact, I saw 3 Obama commercials during the campaign and no Hillary commercials. And all of the Obama commercials were during "political" shows like Hardball when likely primary voters would be watching. Despite the campaigning by Senator Obama, I was not persuaded. I was a voter that Obama should have had locked up. As another poster in this thread said "not so much."

I was adamant that I would not vote for a candidate that supported the Iraq War. However, Senator Obama's behavior, the media coverage, and the Clinton campaign persuaded me to vote another way. The spin that FL Dem voters did not realize that the primary did not currently relate to delegates is also insulting. There was a property tax amendment on the ballot, so many voters would have turned out either way. And we now know who more than one million of those Democratic voters in Florida prefer, regardless of the media or Obama campaign spin.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:44 PM
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34. I have read about the 'ad' thing...
and do not know what to make of it. If that was your deciding issue, I have no problem with that. I think everyone should vote for the candidate they think best represents their interests. What I have a problem with is mis-representing facts, continuously. Like the suit brought against the Nevada Democratic Party.
http://media.lasvegassun.com/media/pdfs/2008/01/16/OppoDemsMTNRelief.pdf
http://adage.com/campaigntrail/article?article_id=123242
Clinton Camp Cries Foul Over Cable Buy
Posted by Ira Teinowitz on 01.21.08 @ 05:51 PM

WASHINGTON (AdAge.com) -- Illinois Sen. Barack Obama is launching the first national advertising of the Democratic presidential campaign -- a cable buy on CNN and MSNBC of a biographical spot -- and he's immediately getting ripped by rival Sen. Hillary Clinton for the purchase. (Post continues after the spot)

The Clinton campaign is complaining that by allowing viewers in all states to see the spots, the national buy violates a pledge made by each Democratic candidate not to compete in Florida. That state ignored a Democratic Party task force request and moved its primary before Feb. 1, prompting the Democratic National Committee to say the Florida primary wouldn't count toward delegates. Each of the major candidates subsequently pledged not to compete for votes in the state's primary.

In a statement today, the Clinton campaign called the Obama spot a "flagrant disregard" of that pledge.

"There is no question that these ads are a clear and blatant violation of the early-state pledge that Sen. Obama and the other leading Democratic candidates signed last year," said the Clinton campaign statement. "The early-state pledge was crystal clear in its prohibition against any kind of campaign activity (outside of fundraising) in states that do not adhere to the DNC calendar. There is no ambiguity. Among the list of prohibited activities are 'electronic advertising that reaches a significant percentage of the voters in the aforementioned state.'"


"Both national cable networks told us it would be impossible for us to run advertising nationally that excluded only Florida. For that reason we consulted with the South Carolina Democratic Party Chair, Carol Fowler, who told us unequivocally she did not consider this to be in violation of pledge made to the early states," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.

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riskpeace Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:51 PM
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35. I appreciate your thoughtful reply
At the same time, the ad buy did not persuade me. It really was the behavior of Obama and the clear bias of the media. I just pointed out that Obama campaigned in the state. And he still ended up getting beat in a primary with over 2 million votes.
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proud2bamerican2 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:56 PM
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37. pledge breaking
Didn't HRC sign a pledge NOT to campaign in Florida? And wasn't she campaigning in Florida this past weekend?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:19 PM
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39. he was the first candidate
who ran a nation-wide ad. He did not target Florida as so many suggest. I don't know if he 'broke the rules', or as the article suggests, he required clarity and was told he was within the rules. What Hillary does is of no consequence whatsoever.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:33 PM
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41. Ill say it again
the news said that a third of the population voted early. Clinton won that vote. The voters today went for Obama. Hillary had a very good showing and I congratulate her. What the vote would have been like if our votes counted and the candidates campaigned here I cannot say.
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riskpeace Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:11 AM
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44. i'm not sure I understand
Do you have a link for your claim that Obama won voters who voted yesterday?

The attitude of the media and some folks from other states towards Democratic voters in Florida is very disheartening.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:27 PM
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45. I heard it on the local news
No link just my ears.
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jonnywishbone97 Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:38 PM
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9. I bet when the convention comes
Florida delegates are seated. There is NO WAY that the idiot Howard Dean will not seat them and piss off 2 million democratic voters.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:43 PM
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11. Yep. The party screwed this up, big time. nt
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:48 PM
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26. Agreed. The Florida Democratic Party. Thanks, all. n/t
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:47 PM
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12. They'd better not.
Florida knew it was breaking the rules when they chose to move up their primary. Now they'd better be made to live with the consequences. All the candidates agreed not to campaign in that state, and the DNC ruled delegates from that state would not be seated, unless the nominee was already decided due to votes from other states (in which case it would only be a formality.)

Why should Hillary decide at the last minute to make a "non-campaign" appearance in Florida and be rewarded with delegates?
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jonnywishbone97 Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:55 PM
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14. get over it
You give Florida to the pukes you lose the election its that simple. I would much rather say President Clinton than President McCain or Romney. Obama will lose in CA as well.
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riskpeace Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:53 PM
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28. Live with the consequences?
Do you realize that the legislature is overwhelmingly Republican? The GOP awarded at least half (and probably all of them) the delegates so FL GOP voters were respected and heard.

The DNC messed up, Big Time.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:58 PM
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29. Florida agreed to the DNC rules loooong before they broke them.
Maybe Florida's voters should consider replacing their legislators, because they're the ones to blame for them losing their delegates.

Sorry. The rules were in place, and agreed to by Florida long before Florida chose to break them by moving up their primaries.

Now Hillary wants to retroactively change the rules because she's having difficulty pulling ahead? That's damned underhanded.
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riskpeace Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:06 PM
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31. Florida is a swing state that the Dems need to win
I am a Dem voter and I am not pleased. I do not presume to assign motives to Senator Clinton or anyone else.
She got more than a million Dem votes. This is a fact.
The RNC stripped half of the delegates and kept the contest meaningful.
By the way, you'd have to go about four counties east or west to find a Democratic legislator. And the GOP knew what they were stirring up and found a way to make the primary still mean something. So since I am stuck with the grandson of a seafood restaurateur as my delegate, then I should be discounted.
That is not the way to persuade voters in a must-win swing state.
The DNC stepped into the trap and got played.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:16 PM
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16. If the delegates are not given the seats (say in this matter)...
it will piss off a lot of Democrats in Florida come November.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:46 PM
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24. Oh, well. A lot of Democrats from across the country are pretty pissed-off already...
... at the arrogance of the Florida Democratic Party.

United we stand. Until some state breaches previous agreements and preempts the primary calendar.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:45 PM
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23. maybe their party leaders should have thought about that
before they broke the rules that the DNC set!
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:48 PM
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25. If seating them alters the results of the nomination process...
... you're gonna have a whole lot more than 2 million Democrats pissed off. The vote in Florida, as well as that in Michigan, is not representative of a free and fair election process.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:32 PM
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17. LOL. What a joke! n/t
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:34 PM
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18. interesting stats - Hillary Clinton 41,919 - Barack Obama 38,279 Today's vote
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Most of Hillary's lead is from early and absentee votes

watch it HERE

OR

http://enr2.clarityelections.com/Default.aspx?page=T&c=miamidade&eid=276&lid=1&cid=1102&ref=false
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:42 PM
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21. VERY interesting info. Thanks for the link.
I was wondering why the margin was markedly decreasing with every batch of new votes coming in. It'll be very interesting to see where the same-day vote ends up.

It's not possible, but just for the sake of the media being wrong again, it would be hilarious if Obama ended-up winning by even a few hundred votes.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:44 PM
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22. Ah, that's just for Miami-Dade county. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:37 PM
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19. AP: Clinton wins primary but no delegates
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 09:39 PM by rodeodance

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080130/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_florida;_ylt=Aml_.DebKX17nNbsT.DWL6Cs0NUE

Clinton wins primary but no delegates

By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer 35 minutes ago

DAVIE, Fla. - Hillary Rodham Clinton won the Florida Democratic primary Tuesday night, an event that drew no campaigning by any of her presidential rivals and awarded no delegates to the winner.


But Clinton promptly declared it a welcome victory.

.......

"I am convinced that with this resounding vote, with the millions of Americans who will vote next Tuesday, we will send a clear message that America is back and we will take charge of our destiny once again," she said to a boisterous crowd.
.......

"I could not come here in person to ask you for your votes, but I am here to thank you for your votes today," she said. "This has been a record turnout because Floridians wanted their voices to be heard. I promise you I will do everything I can to make sure not only are Florida's Democratic delegates seated but Florida is in the winning column for the Democrats in 2008."
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:40 PM
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20. 67% reporting... Clinton down to 50%, Obama up to 32%, Edwards 15%.
And Kooch, 1%.

Come on, Johnny, get that 15%...!!!
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Skarbrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:59 PM
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30. I was at her "Victory" party in Davie, Florida. It was great!!
Living in Florida means your vote never counts. Like has been said, too many damn voters came out to give their voice to this process that someone else messed up to be totally ignored. I'm tired of being ignored. I didn't make the rules that caused this problem. If Obama had won by double digits, or Edwards, I don't think I would see all this negativity. Hillary did not run any ads in Florida and she didn't send out any e-mails that I saw that even mentioned Florida. She came into Florida right as the polls closed and came to an over-flowing huge room at the Signature Grand Hotel to thank the Floridians that gave her their time and their vote.

I will vote for whatever Democratic nominee we end up with. I'm watching McCain talk right now and..good god.

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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:40 PM
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32. No delegates, no
But what it does is foreshadow the reality on the ground, that Clinton will be doing quite well next Tuesday.
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peteburgos Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:40 PM
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33. Not too relevant
There are no delegates that count in this state.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:53 PM
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36. The DNC effective froze Florida for Hillary when they made their ruling
as noted on NPR yesterday Obama has shown the ability to go from the teens to wins and he didn't get a chance to do that in Florida
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:17 PM
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38. Was there a race?
Oh yeah, the one Hillary promised not to campaign in.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:22 PM
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40. GREAT NEWS! Obamabots sore LOSERS as usual...
what a surprise...
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:46 PM
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43. There wasn't a race, what do you expect? Which means
Hillary won NOTHING.
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Skarbrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:43 PM
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42. Hillary didn't campaign in Florida. She even timed her plane landing
at the airport to the closing of the vote. Obama is very well known down here and he is very well liked. His numbers would have probably been higher if he had a rally in every county, but Hillary would have still had Florida. Obama is gaining more momentum every day and I think he will do great on Super Tuesday. It's just going to a bit of a tooth and nail thing with no blow-outs. At least that's the way I see it now.

I don't why there is so much sarcasm.
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