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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:02 PM
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Fishermen 'beat dolphin to death'
Source: CNN

(CNN) -- Fishermen in Bangladesh beat a rare river dolphin to death because they had not seen "this kind of creature before," according to local news accounts.

The fishermen then tried to sell the body of the Ganges River dolphin as a rare fish. When they failed, the men gave up and dumped it outside a museum -- where a large crowd tried to catch a peek, the national Bangladesh Sangbad Sangstha news organization reported Tuesday.

Elisabeth Fahrni Mansur, who works with the Bangladesh Cetacean Diversity Project, told CNN that the mammal was trapped in the low waters of a tidal channel.

"It wasn't dumped in front of a museum," Mansur added. "The animal was taken to a visitor center where it will be prepared for an exhibit."

The Ganges River dolphin inhabits the murky waters of the Ganges River and can be spotted only when it surfaces to breathe. Thus, they are very rarely seen, according to the World Wildlife Fund Web site.




Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/01/30/bangladesh.dolphin/index.html
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:04 PM
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1. What a bunch of fucking idiotic assholes.
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 12:08 PM by IanDB1
What kind of people beat something to death just because they don't know what it is?




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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:22 PM
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9. My God What A Glorious Creature
:cry:
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:27 PM
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10. What kind of people? Human people.
Sometimes I am ashamed to be a human being.
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Iwasthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:44 PM
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14. Me too
Remember, * used to gleefully blow up small creatures as a child. Sticking firecrackers deep inside of them.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:57 PM
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17. The human race is too stupid to survive.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:07 PM
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32. Wrong homo-sapians not human beings.
There is a difference and yes, I get to say what it is!
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:57 PM
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16. Is it wrong to hope humans become extinct very soon?
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:17 PM
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18. Not if it means every other species being allowed to continue.
We are an unnatural aberration.
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:43 AM
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47. sorry, i like myself more than dolphins.
can't jump on that bandwagon.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:59 PM
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22. We've got people in this country beating Evolution to death.
The kind of people that do this have no education. Those Indian fisherman probably have none what-so-ever, but those in our own country have no excuse at all.
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indio55555 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:26 PM
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67. Get some glasses.
They were from Bangladesh... not Indian.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:47 PM
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71. You're right. I actually where glasses, and I didn't have them on at the time. n/t
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:28 PM
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35. You know the answer ....
I know you inhabit the 'free thinking' forums ....

Those who would do such a thing are fearfully IGNORANT ....

They dont know, they fear; and so they kill ....
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:40 AM
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46. Ignorance
coupled with poverty and poor education. Though, it's very well possible they killed it to get a kick out of it. Some people (regardless of race and nationality) are just ass holes.

To fear what is unknown is the most common of human traits. It is unfortunate and the heart of many of the world's problems.

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:30 AM
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53. illiterate ignorant people. not assholes just superstitious and uneducated
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:30 AM by lionesspriyanka
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:05 PM
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2. That stinks.
That dolphin is a more highly evolved creature than those fisherman.

What a stinking shame.


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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:05 PM
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3. Well, here's what it LOOKED like...
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 12:06 PM by Bonobo


On Edit: These are seriously endangered. As opposed to some marine mammals (Minke Whales for example)
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:12 PM
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6. If that guy is standing in the Ganges
he ALSO is seriously endangered.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:13 PM
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7. Yes, don't kill marine mammals -- except Minke whales!
Kill all of them ya like. After all, they're the "cockroaches of the ocean," in the words of Masayuki Komatsu.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:20 PM
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8. Does your argument have to do with them being endangered or...
is it something else? Could you clarify?
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:34 PM
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12. You're the one who brought Minkes into this thread.
I'm just running with your non sequitur.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:42 PM
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13. Ok, we can discuss on another thread sometime then.
And if it HAD been a non sequitor, no answer should have been forthcoming.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:08 PM
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4. Wow, ignorance really does kill.
The best part? The dolphin becomes endangered due to humans polluting the Ganges, then one gets trapped in a small section of the Ganges River due to that river's overuse by humans, and then it's beaten to death by humans! It's almost like we're actually trying to kill them all off.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:31 AM
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54. ignorance does kill. its very sad.
:(
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:30 PM
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11. Don't forget
Man was given "dominion over all living things" by God in Genesis. That seems to be going really well so far.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:06 PM
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15. This is the kind of thing where, 10 or 20 years from now, they will look back in shame, and convenie
conveniently "forget" that they killed one of the last Ganges dolphins. And frankly, they SHOULD be ashamed. :mad:
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:35 PM
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19. Poor people
Likely thought they would get a good price at the fish market for this "strange/exotic fish". The idea of keeping it alive probably never occured to them.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:49 PM
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20. No, this isn't about poverty. Poverty doesn't make you fucking stupid.
If something's crying out when you hit it (like the poor dolphin probably was), that should be a pretty good goddamned clue that it's not a fish.
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McHatin Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:51 PM
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37. Ugh
Lots of things cry out when you hit them that humans eat every day. What the hell does that have to do with whether or not these fishermen should eat it? You do realize they didn't grow up in Western culture with our understanding of animals. Your hate is wasted and ignorant.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:04 AM
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39. Ignorance, thy name is McHatin.
Well done.
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McHatin Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:57 AM
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43. Booyah
Keep it up!
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #43
44. Epic fail.
Tah dah, mark.

Pathetic.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #20
41. Oh come on! You really think these men didn't think this was
a fish?
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:48 AM
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48. Poverty may not make someone stupid but a poor education sure will
and usually the two go hand in hand. These fishermen may have had a second grade education, if that. They may very well be illiterate as about a third of the population is in the region.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:18 AM
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64. this is even beyond poor education. these people are illiterate.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:19 AM by lionesspriyanka
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:39 AM
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65. Yep, it's a tragedy ...
If only they had learned to read then they would have seen that
the river dolphin had a "Don't cave my skull in Bro!" badge and
that would have made *all* the difference ...
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:47 AM
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66. actually education makes you less scared of what you dont know
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:17 AM
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74. Bingo.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #20
56. actually poverty combined with illiteracy does. you have no idea what you are talking about.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:54 PM
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21. Frankly, I hope the Bangladeshi government finds and snuffs these stupid bastards.
(Something slow and lingering, ideally, but I'm not picky.)

If they want to prevent this from happening again, they ought to make it punishable by death and distribute flyers everywhere -- something real simple, that even the barely literate or illiterate can understand. Big picture of a river dolphin, "DO NOT KILL -- YOU WILL BE EXECUTED" in large block print, and pictograms to that effect below the print.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:05 PM
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24. Cool. Then if you're lucky the surrounding villages will starve.
I'm not so sure about "snuffing" these guys. A report in SF Chron yesterday detailed the decline and possible disappearance of the entire Salmon run. That was a run nearing 1 million fish just a few years ago. These salmon will never come back, we killed them!

And you want to "execute" Indian fisherman with no education for beating a dolphin in their own country?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:48 PM
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28. I LOVE a one-trick pony!
You should've chose SalmonLover69 as a username.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:07 PM
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31. Good one.. hey if you want to execute Indians, then more power to you.
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 09:08 PM by cottonseed
That's all I was pointing out..
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:36 PM
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36. Be specific...where did I say that?
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:38 AM
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45. Ok
I called out someone "hoping" a government "snuffs" their own citizens. You piped up. I made the implication.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:35 AM
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57. frankly i think you need to develop some fucking compassion and empathy
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:18 AM
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75. You've GOT to be kidding me. You've never been real
hungry, have you? I mean, close to starving.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:03 PM
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23. Ignorant savages
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:06 PM
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25. I know! All we've done is just about kill off our entire Pacific Salmon runs.
Those Indians are terrible, terrible beasts I tells ya!
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:37 PM
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26. A savage is a savage is a savage
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:57 PM
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27. MAW AND PAW BAD!!!! n/t
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:12 PM
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33. This is a depressing and horrifying story, but THAT was fucking funny...
well done :)
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:49 PM
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29. Dumbasses.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:00 PM
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30. This Damned Human Race n/t
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:26 PM
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34. The fish is doomed. n/t
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:55 PM
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38. sad
n/t
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:05 AM
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40. Look, these are uneducated poor in a third world
country. What would you expect? Especially if they never saw one before.
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:07 AM
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42. smart enough to dump it
at a museum, right after trying to sell it.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:15 AM
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73. Of course they would. They are poor! I would've too
more than likely. Hell when I was still working we were talking about being poor as kids and a friend was talking about her "pony" cart her dad had for her, and I shocked her by telling her "if we'd had a pony we probably would've eaten it".
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:13 AM
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52. EXACTLY!
It is not like it is a an educated person from the civilized world.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:11 AM
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59. i dont think very many people in this country understand illiteracy and superstition
we understand poor education but illiteracy is another ball game.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:33 AM
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55. i completely agree. i dont think very many here have even encountered
that kind of poverty and ignorance.

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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:37 AM
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49. Good Morning...
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 07:41 AM by Steerpike1
I read the story and it sounded to me like the fishermen believed this poor marine creature to be an aberration. They had never seen one before. It is for the most part blind and has exaggerated physical features. They clubbed it to death to insure that it would not breed. To them it was an abomination. And of course as so many of us knuckle dragging meat eaters know...clubbing fish on the head is the most expedient way of dispatching it. They took it to the museum possibly believing they might make some money...
The tragedy is that the Indian government does not see fit to give all their citizens a worthy education. And so you have primitive mores and superstitions holding sway in the lower classes.

Although I must say that the name calling and the hopes for bad things to happen to non evil human beings makes me feel that some people here are just as primitive.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:25 AM
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50. They beat it to death because they hadn't seen a creature like it before?
WHAT THE HELL kind of excuse is that?

These "people" are "humans"?

I am UTTERLY ASHAMED to belong to that classification.

What a bunch of idiotic barbarians.

I hope someone BEATS THEM to death someday because they've "never seen a creature like that".

GOD I hate humans sometimes.
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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:54 AM
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51. Sorry...
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:57 AM by Steerpike1
I don't want to minimize the tragedy. But, any hunter or farmer will put down what they may see as an abomination so as to not contaminate their feeding stock. The Ganges is extremely murky and so these animals were rarely seen to begin with. These particular fishermen had probably never seen one.
I see this as a tragedy for the fishermen as well as the fish. The government of India should be ashamed of the level of poverty and ignorance they keep many of their own people in. They are not idiots. They have lived in a culture that has farmed the Ganges for thousands of years. And of course the level of poverty that they live is something that, perhaps, you cannot conceive of.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:57 AM
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58. this ranks right up there with Britney Spears in importance. nt.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:12 AM
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60. The Spears family isn't an endangered species. n/t
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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:26 AM
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61. As an observation.
Brittany does appear to be very much "endangered" at this time.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:29 AM
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62. True, dat. n/t
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:31 AM
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63. attacking someone just because it makes you feel morally superior
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:31 AM by lionesspriyanka
even though you have no idea what their life is like, is a similarity in both instance.

if you dont understand destitution and illiteracy perhaps its best to educate oneself on such issues before taking on a holier than thou attitude.

just to be clear i am not accusing you of these things. just a lot of responses on this thread.

edited to add an R after superior
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:34 PM
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68. At least they weren't carpenters
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:19 PM
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69. I'm really skeptical of this headline
I doubt they killed it because they didn't recognize it - clubbing (or "beating to death") is a pretty efficient way to kill a large fish quickly; most fishermen do it. My guess is they saw it trapped, didn't recognize it but hoped it was food, killed it, found out there were no buyers, and disposed of it. I'd be shocked if subsistence fishermen behaved any other way.

The museum thing is unclear - one paragraph says they took it to a museum and the next paragraph says they didn't. Even if they did, it doesn't mean anything nefarious. I could imagine that illiterate and uneducated people might think of a museum as 'a place for oddities that don't fit anywhere else.'

The only thing I take from this story is that the Bangladesh government ought to start some form of education program to inform fishermen what the dolphins are. If there were incentives for the fishermen to help protect the dolphins, so much the better. On a larger scale, improving the living conditions of all the villagers would help.

As for hunting down and killing the fishermen, or wanting them to suffer, I can only say :wtf:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:21 PM
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70. ...
:thumbsup:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:44 PM
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72. Well the fucking cruel motherfuckers.
:grr:
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