MySpace deletes hacked Web site for atheists and agnostics

Source: Plain Dealer



...For the third time in three years, what may be the largest group of organized atheists in the world is struggling to stay on MySpace, said a Cleveland State University assistant professor who founded the site for nonbelievers...

MySpace has ignored repeated requests to restore the group's site, including an online petition with more than 500 signatures, said Pesta, who was the group's moderator...

But it was never without controversy. Two years ago, Pesta said, MySpace deleted the group after an organized campaign from Christians opposing the site. MySpace restored it and promised it would be protected, Pesta said.

Last Thanksgiving, hackers broke into the group's site, deleting material and renaming it "Jesus Is Love." MySpace restored the site three weeks later but then shut it down this year, Pesta said...





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LOL!

Nobody had until you!

:toast:

My first thought, too.

...by Spam Robots and Scammers, the site is still too open to stop all hackers. They (the people at MySpace) are trying to improve security, but all it takes is for someone to hack your account, then use it to start sending out bogus "friend requests" or spam messages from within MySpace to get a group or page deleted.

I go onto the site daily and I can't remember the last time I didn't have to flag at least one or two Spam Messages or Spam "friend requests" from one of about 4 different Porn sites that are constantly bombarding the site with bogus "friend requests" or internal messages.

I don't know for sure that these are Robot generated messages, but unless the scammers have armies of thousands of children working in Indian or Chinese sweat shops sending these, they must be Robot generated.

if he can't stand up to scrutiny, questions and criticism.

They are of little faith.

to say it is Jesus Christ doing this is not directing it to the cowards who are attacking others attempts to join together as they wish.

sorry, but turning the other cheek is so not happening anymore. notice i said "jesus is weak IF....." i never said it is jesus doing this. but the point remains the same. christianity, jesus, and god apparently can't stand up to scrutiny, questions, or criticism. hence the outright hatred and bigotry shown to those who choose not to believe. it's threatening to those whose belief is weak. that's why so many of the athiests here show hostility towards the believers. no more turning the other cheek.

you are gonna make their sky daddy cry :)

Your religion is your business... or lack thereof... but you cannot argue with the fact that there have been billions of people who have scrutinized this story in the past 2000 years and millions who in the end have had to accept that they just can't get rid of Christ. He was here before I got here and he will be here long after I am dead and gone... like it or not, he has withstood greater scrutiny than you or I could ever muster even were we to devote our entire lives to the cause. You may not believe in him and frankly I don't think you should even pretend to believe unless you know... beyond a shadow of a doubt... that he is real and is who he said he was... but you are incorrect when you claim he is weak and dissolves under scrutiny... in fact, I have found he actually becomes animated the more you scrutinize.

As for not turning the other cheek any longer... I think you are misunderstanding the nature of that saying. You imply weakness in your statement but you fail to see the strength it takes to receive a blow to the face... and then offer the other cheek as well. Christ is not saying... turn away, run away... he's saying "accept the blow... accept the pain... accept the humiliation and keep right on the path". If you are being beaten... you use this to show the brutality of your oppressor and cause a shock of conscience to good hearted people. Turning the other cheek is a weapon of war... Ghandi used it, Martin used it... I'd hardly call those with that sort of strength weak.

Also... I hope you do not find my response preachy... it was not intended to convert you or offend you... I merely offer an alternative view to your statements.

Peace.

I am questioning the faith of those who attack us for daring to question or criticize or worst of all, not believe as they do. Their faith must be shaky if they or their belief system can't abide non-believers. "but you are incorrect when you claim he is weak and dissolves under scrutiny... in fact, I have found he actually becomes animated the more you scrutinize. " Key words there..."I have found". Others have done the same and found the opposite to be true. "Turning the other cheek" can be interpreted either way. Don't put words in my mouth and accuse me of insulting Martin and Ghandi, too.

2 + 2 = 4 and any assertion to the contrary is incorrect... just as your interpretation of this line of scripture is indeed incorrect... just as your insinuation that I was placing words in your mouth is incorrect. Since "no one pours new wine into old wineskin's", I'll simply leave you with a few words from the Bard...
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Good day.

there wouldn't be a multitude of religions. (although i'm sure the rest are just false religions, right?)

I did not say the Bible could only be interpreted "one way"... I was specific to this line of scripture which cannot and does not mean anything other than I have described. Also, I have paid no disrespect to other religions (which includes atheism) so please do not superimpose your narrow-mindedness over my responses.

now THAT'S fucking funny.:rofl: and by the way, atheism is NOT a religion. so please don't lump us in with the rest by superimposing your narrow-mindedness over my responses.

...in much the same way Buddhism is viewed as a religion. Buddhism is a religion though some argue it is merely a philosophy of life... At it's core, religion is a set of belief's a person holds as it pertains to the natural order of life and attempts to rationalize the natural forces with other forces perceived as supernatural. Atheism addresses these issues and it does so within an organized framework... there are scholars and evangelists in the atheism movement, there is an atheistic community that congregates and discusses pertinent issues that confront the atheism movement... perhaps your definition of religion is different than mine but from all outward appearances, atheism is a religion... though it may not be one you practice or recognize.

As for the example of you putting words into my mouth...
"(although i'm sure the rest are just false religions, right?)"
This is a ridiculous and narrow-minded statement and does not in anyway reflect anything I have ever publicly stated... to my knowledge. Religion should be designed to give a person an image of something unimaginable... it's altruistic goal should be to lead a person into the revelation of God. If a person finds God through the voice of Mohamed or through the visions of Brahma or through the heart of Christ then I celebrate the existence of that religion. Personally, I found Christianity a much easier row to hoe... it's a concept that I grasp and find comfort in but the study of Christianity teaches me that the kingdom of heaven is a "city on a hill"... if I stand on one side of the hill and you on another, we will see it differently and maybe one path up that hill is more difficult to traverse than the other but it is the same heaven. Your insinuation that I denigrate other people's belief's is both incorrect and small-minded... in fact, you are in effect doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. Of course, there is no argument that can dent the armor of the self-righteous so I am sure you will never come to see your own hypocrisy but just because you don't believe something... does not mean it does not exist.

just because you believe something exists doesn't mean that it does exist. but i forgot, your beliefs are the only true ones, anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong. i admit, i could be wrong and god and heaven blah blah blah exists. i just don't see anything to convince me that it does. the "false religions" comment was not putting words in your mouth, it was asking you a question. you can tell because there was a question mark at the end. usually a dead giveaway. didn't mean to be so subtle there. if nothing else, you certainly are amusing. oh, and please let me know where i was being a self-righteous hypocrite...wouldn't want to invade the domain of a tru christian® like yourself.

religion requires belief; atheism says a person doesn't believe.

People are religious because they've failed in life, are afraid of death, and want a hellish afterlife to exist to punish those they don't like. Thats all religion is.

It clearly meant only that Jews should not resist Roman authority. Your interpretation is one that only a person with a shallow religious viewpoint of the bible, with no historical context, would make.

I never *chose* to not believe. I was in seventh grade when I stopped believing. I wanted to believe. I tried to believe, because I thought that one had to believe in order to be a good person. I just was unable to believe. I was ashamed of my disbelief, certainly never told anyone and was astonished and very pleased when a friend confided to me that he did not believe in god. What a relief to know that I was not alone. Anyway, I just wanted to take mild issue with your implication that non-belief is a choice.

Though shall not take the name of the Lord, thy God, in vain... which means you should not pretend to believe in God to serve your own vanity. Believing in God because it looks good or feels good is not only a terrible reason to have faith; it's also a sin against God, which also leads to breaking the first and second Commandments. If you pretend to believe in a God then (since even you don't believe in that God yourself) that God is a false God (a false idol, if you will). Since you're not worshiping the One true God then you are actually breaking all three of the Commandments as they pertain to God. God is completely against pretending to believe when you do not believe. Not only are you being true to yourself in your "non-belief", you are in fact doing exactly as God has commanded by vociferously defending the things you do believe in. I have no doubt that if God really wanted you to believe in him he has the capacity to overwhelm any doubt you may have... since he has not done so there is probably a good reason you believe the things you believe.

:crazy:

I was in 7th grade at the time. Cut me a little slack. That was 50 years ago. I have since come to terms with my non-belief.

I was saying that you were exactly right in your non-belief... not just right for your own nature but right according to anyone who pretends to believe in the Bible as the word of God. Perhaps you are trying to see an argument when was none presented...

I was referring to the Christians being haters for trying to stop people from grouping together. It's kinda obvious if you reread what I wrote.

Your self chosen hostility to those of faith clouds what you're reading it seems, also.

I SUPPORT ATHEISTS MEETING TOGETHER ONLINE. Is that simple enough?

"Revelation, revolution, I see through your christ illusion!" - Slayer

It's all so silly, we just CAN'T believe in it.

I have been using/working on the internet for over 13 years and I have never wanted/needed to go to any of these "social networking" sites. What is the point?

To me, they seem somewhat like what AOL used to be. A mini/filtered/controlled version of the internet that some people confuse as being the internet.

If myspace is deleting your page on their site why not buy a domain and setup an actual site?

after he died. I never could look at anything I wanted to see, but got a dozen emails a day asking me to join someone else's friendly group (even though I asked not to receive the mailings). Cannot understand the appeal.

nor by MySpace.

What I'd like to see: a boycott of MySpace over this.

but I can understand why some do. Unlike christians, atheists generally (at least here in the bible belt) don't feel comfortable congregating with their own type in public. It must be nice to be able to openly discuss your beliefs with others. Believe it or not, down here there is as much fear and hatred toward atheists as there is toward gay people. Both me and my sister live in closets- mine is atheism, hers is homosexuality.

by majorities. That's why free speech, free assembly, freedom of religious conscience, and the right to petition the government for redress of grievances were all guaranteed.

Shame on My Space for allowing itself to be bullied into the illegal, immoral, and anti American practice of censoring a legal site.

owned and operated my News Corp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MySpace

They can remove whatever they want for whatever reason from their site.....which is why I do not understand why people don't just start a web page instead of a myspace page.

private or not. I guess that is the Murdock "fair and balanced".

over something that is completely legal and well within the bounds of proper content for a page on their site.

I agree with you about the domain and separate site, but don't forget that hosting companies, ISPs and everybody else is going to be bullied by these thugs. My Space is as good a place to draw a line in the sand as any.

everyone is also free to verbally and economically (by not patronizing the site or related companies) condemn them for acting immorally based on the basic American value of free speech. Free speech isn't just a constitutional right it's a value that private groups and organizations could also promote for the general good.

MySpace is choosing instead to not promote the idea that Free speech in general is a good thing, that deserves verbal condemnation.

:rofl:

Yes they occupy positions of power, but so far our secular Constitution, the Federal courts and officials and interest groups that care about secularism limit their effectiveness. Also, most religions in this country know that legally enforced religious rules usually mean someone else's religious rules.

Here atheists are distrusted. In Iran or Saudi Arabia, they are stoned. If you don't want to follow the directives of Catholicism, Mormonism, Judiasm etc., you don't have to. No woman in America is going to get stoned because of bare shoulders or because she left her husband. And the influence of Islamic extremists is growing and taking root in Europe because tolerant liberals there don't know a threat to democracy when they see it.

but they are sure as hell are trying real hard.

:scared:

be quiet and quit whining, right?

The poster asked a question and I answered it as best I could.

Not to mention your little dig at liberals and religious freedom in Europe.

And you obviously can't since you have missed the mark so completely.

I doubt anyone on this board is as much of an outspoken atheist and critic of religion as I am.

What I said about European liberals and their misguided religious tolerance (not freedom which implicitly recognizes everyone else's rights) is absolutely true. It reminds me of an episode of American Dad when Haley is being chased by the morality police in Saudi Arabia because she is outside unescorted and she turns around and says "I respect your culture" while they are trying to kill her. Religious extremists do not care about tolerance or live-and-let-live attitudes. They feel themselves to be on the side of god which makes everyone else wrong. As Falwell once put it, they have no tolerance for the right of others to commit sin.

And in my private life, I don't have any qualms whatsoever about making it clear to a bible literalist how fervently I reject that point of view.

But when I noticed a rise in the frequency of my posts being deleted and entire threads locked or removed, I toned it down.

But you go, dude.

However,

"Discretion is the better part of valor"

AFWIW, It seems I remember Skinner himself has made it clear that he is religiously skeptic on more than one occasion, though I can not remember if I ever saw him say outright whether he is Atheist or Agnostic.

Being outspoken is one thing. Going too far while using someone else's bandwidth is another entirely. (And no, Deep13, I am not suggesting you have gone too far)

Just please don't think for a second that no other DU'r "is as much of an outspoken atheist and critic of religion as I am."

I'm waay ahead of you and so are many scores of others, some who have lost posting privileges because of it.

On edit to add the words "It seems I remember" because I do not want to say definitively without being able to produce the post.

I was just personally unaware of anyone else who was quite so willing to discuss it. If you are the more outspoken poster, then fine. You win.

Deep13

We don't know extremist Islam?.. You haven't followed your history class very closely have you?.. Europe have fight WITH the extremist Islam for the last 1400 year.. Long before it was something like US, long before it was something like 9/11 2001... :sarcasm:

We was fighting Extremist Islam, when US was paying lot of money TO the EXTREMIST for fighting US wars in the Middle East for goods grief.. Who was paying the "Holly warrior" in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and was giving them all sorts of Weapon, even weapon THE US ARMED FORCES don't have??.. Oh, yes, that was Uncle Sam...

YOUR government, past and present have doing many stupid things, when it come to "war against terror". But to Claim that it is Europe's foul, because we are to "liberal" when it come to Islam.. Then you are DAM WRONG, and YOU should read little about the fight against islam in Europe the last 1400 year or so..

Do you REALLY that the fight against extreme Islam started sept 9 2001????????...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

...and I am well aware of European history in the Middle Ages. Of course at that time, the institutional Christian extremists in Europe were scarcely any better. I am also well aware of the U.S. govt's role in exacerbating the problem. Nevertheless, pockets of insular and self-isolating communities of Muslim extremists are on the increase in Western Europe and are allowed to continue under the heading of religious tolerance.

As previously stated. The poster asked a direct question and I gave a direct answer.

Deep13

Ok, but it looks as you blame Europe, because we have a another view of things, when it come to how dangerous Islam are.. Believe when I say this. Our politic an is maybe more likely to accept the view of many, what we would call extremist because it is in the name of religious tolerance. But in the people as a whole, the history is something else.. IF the extremist, are to get a bigger foothold, it may end in many things that extremist don't want, or fear in their nightmare..

And for the record, when it come to root out extremist Islam, I would think that many european country, notedly France, Germany and United Kingdom have been doing more, to curb extremist then US have doing the last 20-40 year.. And the problem with extremist, is much more difficult then many american sees to believe.. When the GOVERNMENT of US are founding extremist Islamic group in the one hand (and they do it even today!! in the disguise of "fighting extremist islam by the way) And fighting them on the other hand... That is scary, when the one hand don't know what the other hand is doing..

By the way, many of the extremist who was killing almost 3000 american life in US, was founded by one of the biggest "friend and allied in the war on terror The kingdom of Saud. I have not exactly noted that the current administration have been punished, or given a strong lecture hove the kingdom of Saud should act to prevent the support of this type of extremist ecactly... The House of Saud, was given the Al Qauda One billion US dollar each year, to fend of attack from this organization on Saudi-Arabian ground.. So long the Saudi was not attached, it was okay to spread, and even today spread a hatefully form of Islam, where for the most part muslims in the world don't want to be recognized with.. The saudi-arabian brand of Islam, Whanabitt, is a extreme warlike form of Islam, who are seeing not just the Vest as evil, but even their own brothers and sisters as evil - if they are not fully friends of the Whanabitte Wier of Islam..

But I am not seeing United States of America to keen, to arrest, prosecute and give this type of extremist their full work exactly.. If United States was to find the cause of many of their current problems, they don't need to go to Iran, but rather to Saudi-Arabia who still today are given the extremist all the need them need. Even billions of dollar, for "holly wars".. Why you think that organization like Al-Qauda and Taliban are still living today??.. Because that in the Saudi-Arabian they are given allot of help. Under the nose of american, and many others its look like.. If United States managed to reform the Saudi-Arabian nation, they may even have a Chance to get out of the nightmare they are today.. And this is nothing "liberal europe" can do with exactly that.. Just United States of America.. But it may be to costly to get rid of SUV I my guess.. You are dam hooked to addiction about Oil.. And 35 prosent of United States Oil, are coming from Saudi-Arabia...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

...so do not worry about language mistakes.

What you say is true. The U.S. government and U.S. corporations (and others) care about oil and access to it. They do not care about freedom or what happens to people when they support extremist dictators.

Deep13

And the fact that US at least are talking with a double tongue, when it come to combat extremists, are doing US more harm than good.. In the "good ol' days" US was in some prospect capable of hiding what they was doing.. The fact was coming to light many years later when it was just "history" and not so important anymore. Today it is coming to light, when it happened, because the public for the most part have a lot more information to get to. The invention of Internet, who spearheaded the information that is border less, is probley one of the best invention that is.. Off course you have to test some of the information, but for the most part, if it can be proven, by other means, it is true...

If United States of America are to stop extremists, specially in the middle east, it is important to tell the "friends" in the area, that it is wise to do something... And to support real democracy and freedom when it are there.. Today US are supporting anything that democracy, and freedom in the area.. US have even criticized the only nation in the gulf region, who really are in stages to make democracy a issue, the Emirate of Kuwait.. Even that the regime is far less democratic then we want it to be, it is in the proses of making some interesting thing, than can be proven to be a key to more democracy in the middle-east... (I don't count Israel in this issue, as I se the country as a democracy )

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

becuase it can't stand up to scrutiny. That's why they are actively trying not to engage scientific and logical arguments, but to stifle them.

Science and logic are the end of organized religion, and the religious know it just as well as the athiests do.

...but they're definitely going to end this fundamentalist bullshit.

(Then again, you may be right. I've never been a big fan of organized religion at all, so it could be I'm actually underestimating the effects.)

"...and the religious know it just as well as the athiests (sic) do."

I did not know that. Thanks for the heads up-- maybe I'll take a nap to stave off the end of organized religion a wee bit longer... or have a jelly sandwich instead. It's a tough call.

Oh noes! Science! Logic! Ruuuuun!

Honestly though, the "your days are numbered" arrogance is getting a bit old. If you'd use that logic you laud, you would fairly easily recognise that religion isn't going anywhere. Sorry, bucky.

...it precludes any sort of meaningful divine intervention. What religious supporters do is one of two things. First, they try to discredit the science or keep people from knowing about, often by mischaracterizing it. Did all this happen by random chance? No, of course not. Natural selection is not random chance at all. Yet the "debate" is always phrased in terms of random chance vs. god, as if god was a viable alternative.

The second way is by asserting that science has nothing to do with relious matters. A brief review of history reveals that this is plainly untrue. What has happened in the West is that as science grows, religion retreats from its role of explaining everything, to explaining essentially nothing. We are at a point now where is we ask just what a proper religious matter is, the honest answer must be nothing of any importance. Creation? Nope, science has occupied that field. Morality? While this is by no means a solved problem, science is making inroads while the lessons of religion are a ripp-off of basic human feelings at best or a monsterous perversion of them at worst. The nature of life? Nope, science has occupied that field. The purpose of life? We know the answer to that even if we dob't want to admit it. Life has no objective purpose, it just happens. Note that being unsatisfied with this statement does not prove it false.

globally

You're right, it isn't going anywhere, because we as a people will never get that smart. Too many in our population need that reassuring bs that god will make everything right- shit, may as well move back in with the parents.

Free speech, property rights, privacy, self-determination: what do they matter if god demands otherwise. Who would risk damnation for all time for merely worldly values. Man's law requires tolerance, but divine law requires that nonbelievers be wiped out.

That is the mentality we are dealing with. And as good liberals we tolerate their irrationality even when it threatens us.

hey, it works for insurance companies...

centered around atheism down right stupid.

It me it sort of defeats the concept of an organized religion.

It's an organized non-religion. One could argue that these "congregations" of atheists are just a new spin on a new type of non-belief.

whether you believe or don't believe, at the end of the day, it's always been about control and power.

but hey that's me.

I think it is important for doubters to know that others think like them and it is okay to be a doubter. These on-line communities are really just a safe haven that does not exist in the physical world.

People need a "fellowship", a social club, a banner under which to stand because it validates them to have others espousing the same cause. Religion is seductive if one is looking to fill an empty place--it's like a nursing mother, taking care of all the baby's needs while taking away personal responsibility and giving people easy answers about life and purpose.

For instance, I've never understood why an independent thinker would join the Unitarian church, even thought they are pretty cool and open to any belief or non belief. But the whole point of questioning the religious status quo is coming to the conclusion that you don't need the validation of others to know your own mind.

Religion matters in this country and unless we want it to continue to be pushed down our throats, we ought to push back. We can only do that if we are organized.

People ought to just leave people alone. It is a free country.

do anything in violation of the user agreement with MySpace? If not, they deserve an explanation. I've seen crap on MySpace that borders on the obscene yet they take down an atheist/agnostic site? WTF?

Do you think they don't have lawyers to write a get-out-of-anything clause?

http://collect.myspace.com/misc/terms.html
"MySpace.com reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to reject, refuse to post or remove any posting (including private messages) by you, or to restrict, suspend, or terminate your access to all or any part of the MySpace Services at any time, for any or no reason, with or without prior notice, and without liability."


That is SO authoritarian it is almost funny.

you're gone. :eyes: You are correct. It is so authoritarian it is laughable.

AT least this news article may bring the site - or its successor - some needed publicity, so that those that are looking for such a site will know that one exists.

pisses me off to no end. I've never had any desire to be on MySpace (showing my age, I guess), but now I know for sure that I will never do so. And those hackers must not have too much faith if they're so threatened by a website group. Yet another reason why I'm glad to see Huckabee losing it.

Freedom of religion is a fundamental human right which includes the right to be free from religion. I would never want to change that.

that "freedom of religion does not mean freedom FROM religion". BULLSHIT! That is exactly what it means. It means people are free to believe what they want or NOT believe at all. Period.

The founders saw firsthand the dangers of state-sponsored religion and state persecution of those who did not follow said religion exactly the way the state wanted them to. While many of them were religious themselves, they did not want their new country to follow such a path, not at all.

MySpace (and any other place that atheists might actually gather) makes their heads spin.

Gettin alota use outta that pic lately :)

God Damned Fuckers!!!

...this sort of stuff goes on frequently on MySpace...but I would think/hope that since hacking is an illegal activity that those who did so would find it beneath them.

Ironic the only religious persecution there is against the non-religious :eyes:
and yet christians still can't grasp why they continue to have such a negative public image

to take such actions to promote something that would never condone their actions is pretty revealing. Corruption hiding behind gods... the weakest types.

"And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not act on them will be like a foolish man who built his house on sand." Matthew 7:29

I mean, DUH. Why don't these people scrape up $5/month for some reliable site hosting?

At least that is what I would assume.

I agree that myspace sucks though... I still can't figure out why they can't have an API for developers to access...

There are other, better platforms, depending what you want. MySpace is catering towards people who actually watch MTV.

On a side not, see my sig.

they preach freedom and insist on compliance with their pov.

Ugh.

Everything is black and white, you are wrong and we are right,
first we'll spank your big behind, then we'll twist your little mind!
(From "Heavy Metal Poisoning", Styx-Mr. Roboto)

You know the double-talking ones I am talking about.

Oh yeah, and the Christians who persecuted my Irish ancestors, the one's who burned our Pagan wives and daughters.

Oh, and the one's that enslaved my Native and African brothers and sisters for 100s of years, in the name of Christian Progress.

Oh, and the ones that tortured and murdered my Jewish brothers and sisters.

Oh, and the ones that started the race hatred wars in the middle east, with their barbaric Crusades.

Oh, and those modern ones who think its cool to post gigantic posters of bloody fetuses for my young children to see.

Oh, and the ones who hold the signs telling Gays they are going to hell.

Oh, and the Christians who fool the poor, the sick and the old out of their last few dollars, so they can drive their BMWs and fly to Hawaii on their Church Lear Jet.

Come to think of it, Besides Jesus Christ, I have contempt for the majority of Christians.

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

and

"The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried."

:mad:

Maybe do some research before opening your fucking mouths.

Maybe you should research the crimes done by your kind and the Fascism of the Faithful.

So, now you are blaming me for the faults of those who used Christianity as tool to massacre people?

And your saying that only Christianity has committed crimes a/g humanity? Look around you every religion and atheists are guilty of that.

:eyes:

Damn, one would think it was YOUR site that was attacked by fanatics.

And wait twenty minutes for the unanimous cry.

When Crosswalk.com was hacked? Yeah that was splattered all over the news. And the outcry from the tolerant atheists here, well it was just deafening. Must I really include the sarcasm smiley?

I am not complaining about the hack, I'm responding to the bullcrap in this thread that if the same thing was done to a Christian site instead of the poor oppressed atheists, that it would be all over the place. Reading comprehension seems to be a grave problem with some of you.

them. While it may seem to be a fairly simple thing to re-up a site, it does take time away from other things plus, if that one site is creating problems for their other customers, then they have to go.

It's like the one person standing in the middle of a store screaming at the top of their lungs disrupting that store - what do you do? remove him/her.

A small but obnoxious group screaming at the top of their lungs, and another customer complains and so the store ejects the person who complained?

hackers by definition are operating outside the "law" so how would you ban them?

While this is certainly not the best of solutions, it is the one that is going to have the most immediate impact with the least amount of effort.

:puke:

Why am I not surprised?

it amazes me how many people want to spew this way or that without knowing what the whole story is (nor will they ever know). Does anyone know if this atheist group was spamming? I don't. It makes me wonder though if spam sent by the group might not be what was causing the hacking.I know that incessant spamming from a couple of web sites on my email has driven me to wish I knew how to hack their site and give them something else to do but compose annoying spam. Is it possible that this spamming caused their cancellation on myspace too?

I don't know nor does anyone else here. There is a lot of speculation that there is some sinister plot where I doubt one exists.

Keep in mind this is not a 1st Amendment issue as some have stated in this thread. Myspace is a private website with a clear user agreement not unlike the website you are reading right this very minute. Try starting a thread here which starts with the statement, "I will be voting for McCain" then go on to tell all the virtues held by him and see how your right to free speech stands up. This is a private site. It is set out in the rules what the terms of it's use is...don't like it? Too bad, start your own site. The first amendment doesn't apply here on DU or on Myspace nor should it. When you are here you are in Skinner's living room. Be respectful and abide the rules or he will show you the door...simple and as it should be.

Bottom line I would bet that the registered owner of the site in question has been notified the reason for their cancellation. I would also bet that it is due to a clear violation of the rules. We will probably never know.

I also agree with others who have said that these people are idiots for setting up their site on myspace instead of buying there own domain and either using their own servers or buying some web space.

I thought at least one person here should acknowledge your logic.

The Web is a big place. Surely there's enough room for this group to set up its own site where it can say anything it wants. I am amazed that NEVER any established list of rules seems to apply to the people who yell the loudest about said rules -- that the rules, somehow, do not also apply to them. As you said, if you can't abide by the terms of usage of a particular host, you get out and find (or create) alternatives. Really pretty easy.

...Through those nefarious manipulators of The Truth, science and mathematics. Don't these cybercrusaders know that pi equals three? By using computers, they're buying into the numerology of Satan.

instead of siding with the haxers

and "Thou shall not bear false witness" and Jesus railing against hypocrites. Or is my memory faulty?