Dalai Lama envoys 'on way to China'

Source: Al Jazeera/Agencies

Envoys of the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader, are on their way to China for talks aimed at ending the crisis in Tibet.

In a statement on Friday, the Dalai Lama's office said: ""During this brief visit, the envoys will take up the urgent issue of the current crisis in the Tibetan areas."

It said the two representatives of the self-declared Tibetan government-in-exile based in India would arrive in China on Saturday.

The talks will be the first face-to-face contact between the two sides since unrest erupted in Tibet on March 10, followed by a Chinese crackdown.

Read more: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9F2A7A83-97F8-46E8-9947-40524BD89C44.htm

the chinese government will remain obstinant and beligerant regarding tibet -- which is not china.

they will continue to oppress the tibetan people.

since 1959 over 100,00 tibetans have fled tibet because of chinese government repression -- and typical of chinese government tactics -- thousands more have been murdered.

ther eis no excuse for the chinese invasion of tibet -- it is -- and will be it's own country determining it's own future -- they have a right to that.

they have their own independant legitimate government -- the chinese invasion and occupation -- the brutal and lethal suppression of the tibetan people is unjustifiable.

Self-determination is the reason given so the west can take over Tibet and it's resources.

Tibet had no problem being part of China until the Communist revolution.

It's only when the Tibetan ruling class had their land and power taken away that they tried to revolt with the CIA's help.

When they were defeated, they fled. Game over.

chines invasion

http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/China/02/bishop/bishop.htm
"On October 7, 1950, the enemy attacked the Tibetan frontier in six places simultaneously." (Harrer 297). These forty thousand soldiers from China’s Red Army easily overwhelmed Tibet’s small territorial army of eight thousand in merely two days, killing more than half of Tibet’s troops and detaining the Regional Governor. The shear hostility of the PRC left Tibet’s neighboring ally, India, stunned and outraged. Many other nations shared this belief, and powerful countries, like the United States and Britain, conveyed their support of India’s opinion. ("Invasion and Illegal..," 2). Although, other information shows that this attack, unlike the Chinese invasion in 1910, was done with control and toleration. Tibetan’s which were apprehended and dismissed remarked at the good treatment they had received. (Harrer 300).

Following "Tibet’s Liberation," Mao Zedong immediately established the Seventeen-Point System, which totally eliminated Tibet’s past independence. ("Chinese Invasion" 1). Since then, almost one and a half million people in Tibet have been slain, and over six thousand religious buildings have been demolished. (Trebay 1). (http://www.savetibet.com/)

Tibet, now officially the Tibet Autonomous Region, makes up nearly one fifth of China’s total area, yet the people of Tibet constitute "only a fraction of China’s six percent minority population." ("Chinese Invasion," 1). Even in their own country, the people of Tibet are being made a minority. Because of support by the Chinese Government for Chinese Han, China’s largest race, to move to the region of Tibet, there is now only one Tibetan to every ten Han. ("Chinese Invasion," 1). The PRC is now filling Tibet with thousands of Chinese businessman and workers, and is investing billions of yuan in order to improve Tibet’s poor economy. (http://www.tibet.com/WhitePaper/white1.html)


In 1991 the Dalai Lama stated that Chinese settlers in Tibet were creating "Chinese Apartheid," stating, "The new Chinese settlers have created an alternate society: a Chinese apartheid which, denying Tibetans equal social and economic status in our own land, threatens to finally overwhelm and absorb us."<106><107> The Central Tibetan Administration states that the number that have died in the Great Leap Forward, of violence, or other indirect causes since 1950 is approximately 1.2 million.<108>

Tibetologist Tom Grunfeld also finds that the figure is "without documentary evidence."<110> There were, however, many casualties, perhaps as many as 400,000. This figure is extrapolated from a calculation Warren W. Smith made from census reports of Tibet which show 200,000 "missing" from Tibet.<111><112> Even the controversial The Black Book of Communism expresses doubt at the 1.2 million figure, but does note that according to the Chinese census the total population of ethnic Tibetans in the PRC was 2.8 million in 1953, but only 2.5 million in 1964. It puts forward a figure of 800,000 deaths and alleges that as many as 10% of Tibetans were interned, with few survivors.<113> Chinese demographers have estimated that 90,000 of the 300,000 "missing" Tibetans fled the region.<114>

The Government of Tibet in Exile questions all statistics given by the PRC government, since they do not include members of the People's Liberation Army garrisoned in Tibet, or the large floating population of unregistered migrants.<3> The Qinghai-Tibet Railway (Xining to Lhasa) is also a major concern, as it is believed to further facilitate the influx of migrants.<4>

The Government of Tibet in Exile quotes an issue of People's Daily published in 1959 to claim that the Tibetan population has dropped significantly since 1959. According to the article, figures from the National Bureau of Statistics of the People's Republic of China show that the autonomous region of Tibet was populated by 1,273,969 persons. In the Tibetan sectors of Kham, 3,381,064 Tibetans were counted. In Qinghai and other Tibetan sectors that are incorporated in Gansu, 1,675,534 Tibetans were counted. According to the total of these three numbers, the Tibetan population attained 6,330,567 in 1959.<143>

In 2000, the number of Tibetans as a whole of these regions was about 5,400,000 according to National Bureau of Statistics.<144>

However, the source of the 1959 Tibetan population quoted by the Government of Tibet in Exile is questionable. According to 1954 Chinese census report, the total population of the autonomous region of Tibet was 1,273,969; the total population of Kham was 3,381,064; and the total population of Qinghai was 1,675,534.<145> These numbers were taken by the Government of Tibet in Exile as the population of Tibetans in each province.


more here
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/tibet.htm

http://www.metacafe.com / watch / 297127 / the_geological_effect_of /

http://www.tibet.com/whitepaper/white2.html

I am sympathetic to that. But it's their own fault (at least the original generation's fault) as to why they are living in India now.

But history will not be turning back when it comes to the ownership of the territory. Tibet independence is just a pipe dream. Get over it. The only way to have a solution is through peaceful means. Violence will get them to nowhere. Dalai Lama knows this well.

It's up to the chinese government now if it wants to accept them back or not.

I would say if the exiles were behaving good by admitting that China is the rightful owner of Tibet, then there might be a chance.

I don't see why the chinese can't accept them back if they are willing to accept the terms.

but the reality is - Tibet is part of China now.

I don't see this will change in your life time.

They do have a right to self-determination but that doesn't excuse their brutal attacks on ordinary Chinese people and the firebombing of their mom and pop stores in Tibet.

Do you think the Chinese government should have just stood by and watched the ethnic cleansing of Tibet?

caused wide spread discrimination against ethnic tibetans -- disappeared and out right killed thousands of others.

cry me a river.

mission accomplished

Tibetans were "forced" to live side by side with ethnic Chinese and treat them like human beings!

That's horrible!

Were those poor Tibetan children also forced to attend integrated schools with those "dirty" Chinese kids?

That's outrageous!

Poor, poor Tibetans.

You cry me a river!

So where else would you also like to see some good old fashioned ethnic cleansing against Chinese or any other ethnic group you might not like?

forced to leve THEIR homeland tibetans?

the han chinese were brought there by the chinese government to purposely displace the indigenous population.

talk about EPIC FAIL on your part.

like i say -- cry me a fuckin river.

the chines government brought this disaster on themselves it's the chinese governments reponsibility to withdraw and return tibet to the tibetans.

too bad you're so adamantly against self determination and for ethnic cleansing on real scale -- namely that of the tibetans.

where is your concern for the ''ordinary' han chinese treatment of tibetans, huh?

Independence twice -- and before that in the 1700's.

to the people of tibet they are not nor have they ever been china.

but faced with a nation that could obliterate them{which may happen anyway with the government moving more han chinese in all the time} they have to play a tricky game.

china is no saint here -- if wiping out the tibetans would get them what they want -- they may do it.

they certainly have no trouble threatening taiwan with massive violence if they don't tow the line.

and since mao -- china has had no problem with enacting violence on people on a massive scale.

there is certainly historical precedence for massive, massive violence carried out against the tibetans.

Taiwan is a hostile breakaway province.
Since before Mao, throughout China's history, the Chinese governments have had no qualm about using violence on it's own people.

:rofl: hostile?!?! :rofl: -- dude the days of chiang are gone.

Well, if we follow the former-owner-and-who-had-controlled-what-at-a-given-time-shit-principal, then Tibet must now become part of Mongolia!?

Even in the these mentioned 700 years (with a lot of lost of control over Tibet in this time), Tibet had the status of a autonomy region and was ruled by the Tibetans themselves.

The communist Chinese government has started all the bad things with Tibet. If the people of China can't see this, then they must have been lied to, or they are blind. The Government of China is spreading lies about Tibet, the history of Tibet, and the tibetans.

I just hope the people of China will see this in the near future. But I don't have much hope, because they show the same signs of blind nationalism just like the germans in the 1930s. :-(

Land redistribution, education, women's rights, healthcare, freedom from theocratic feudalism are all such bad things started by the Chinese.
:sarcasm:

on other chinese, mongols, uighers, tibetans.

like there was no better way to bring a better life to people -- but lets execute a few million just to make a point, huh?

:sarcasm:

of the chinese governments brutality to bring 'modernization'.

speaks volumes about you.

does not in any way de legitimize that movement.

tibet has a real history of wanting to guide it's own history -- nothing you can post can deny that.

tibet -- with or without the cia -- can change that fact.

tibet is not china.

Yeah, the Tibetans were better off under theocratic feudalism. :eyes:

displace, disappear, imprison tibetans in order to enforce it's rule.

but they were glad to get mother natures help when they could.

this talk with Dalai proves it.

They will do anything to make the Olympics work at this point.

IMO, Dalai should seize this opportunity and return to China, that's where his homeland is. Of course the condition is working with the chinese govenment. But why should that be a problem?

I see this as a win-win situation.

As you say, if the Chinese are pragmatic about it, something might be worked out.

Any familiar faces ?
The faces of your future Wal-Mart supervisors have landed in SF Bay for a torch rally




The land of opportunity has a red carpet made in China

watch out for falling prices because,

"You'll owe your soul to the company store"--


resistance is futile

Hypocrites!

the displacement and disappearing of the tibetan people.

I bet I can find almost identical claims on the most right-wing political sites one can find on the internet.

So now you're going to compare the Chinese government bureaucracy policies to Hitler's genocide?

If the so-called "Tibet freedom fighters" (that's what the CIA called them in the 60"s) had not been beating the living crap out of ethnic Chinese and firebombed their shops perhaps troops wouldn't have been sent in to stop the mob violence!

Now I haven't read a single documented case of ethnic Chinese engaging in such mob violence against Tibetans inside Tibet.

Perhaps you can post some pictures of Tibetan shops being firebombed or Chinese mobs beating the crap out of Tibetans.

Can't do that, can you?

what do you call the decades of murder and brutality and disappearing done by the chinese military at the behest of the chinese government?

over one hundred thousand tibetans forced to leave their homeland since 1959?

do you think those ethnic han were brought there for the benefit of the tibetan people? -- they were brought to force the tibetans into an impoiverished minority status in their own country. period -- they were brought there as an extension of the violence conducted by the the miliary.

these aren't ANY ONES talking points -- this is what has really happend to the tibetan people - robbed of their land -- robbed of their right to self determination{eagerly helped by your ''innocent'' mom and pops} -- robbed of their lives -- robbed of their ways to make a living{again by your ''innocent'' mom and pops} -- no one who supports chinese suppression and brutal oppression of the tibetan people has a leg to stand on.

this is ethnic cleansing -- this is genocide{participated by your ''innocent'' mom and pops} this is a human crime on a tragically large scale.

China trades weapons for oil.

The US wants to control that oil.

=

Last Updated: Saturday, May 3, 2008 | 5:17 PM ET Comments38Recommend11
CBC News

China's state media had harsh words for the Dalai Lama on Saturday, a day before two of his envoys were to meet in southern China for talks with Communist authorities.

The Tibet Daily alleged that the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader and his followers were guilty of a "litany of crimes."

It also accused his supporters of masterminding riots in the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, something the Dalai Lama denies.

"The hope of realizing Tibetan independence by the Dalai clique has become more and more dim. When their hopes shattered, the Dalai clique launched bloody violence. This was their last act of madness," the Tibet Daily said ...

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/05/03/tibet-talks.html