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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:53 AM
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Authorized Medical Marijuana User Who Was Denied Liver Transplant Dies
Source: Associated Press

Medical marijuana user who was denied liver transplant dies

Authorized medical marijuana user dies after being denied liver transplant in Seattle


Staff
AP News

May 02, 2008 07:02 EST

A man who was denied a liver transplant because he used marijuana with medical approval to ease the symptoms of hepatitis C has died.

Timothy Garon, 56, died Thursday at Bailey-Boushay House, an intensive care nursing center, said his lawyer, Douglas Hiatt, and Alisha Mark, a spokeswoman for Virginia Mason Medical Center, which operates Bailey-Boushay.

His death came a week after his doctor told him a University of Washington Medical Center committee had again denied him a spot on the liver transplant list because of his use of marijuana, although it was authorized under Washington state law.

The case highlights an ethical consideration for those allocating organs for transplant: whether using dope with a doctor's blessing should be held against a dying patient in need of a transplant.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Medical_marijuana_user_who_was_deni_05022008.html
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:58 AM
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1. God Damn the US!
This country is now a fascist fucking shithole!:grr:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:00 AM
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2. IMHO it's been a "fascist fucking shithole" for over seven years.....
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:05 AM
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3. Yeah, at least that long..
Clinton never did anything to stop the absurd "war on drugs".

And...the asshole smoked pot and didn't know enough to inhale. :crazy:
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:10 AM
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5. The drug war
Greatly accelerated under Clinton.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:30 PM
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44. Sure Has..... Hey GOP... This is How You View a Right to Life
Go f*ck yourself with your BS pro-life crap.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:37 PM
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20. The liver went to someone who they thought would have a better chance
of surviving.

It's not like the committee said, "Screw you!" and threw the liver in the trash.

Now whether or not the new recipient actually had a better chance of surviving and thriving is not for me to say, but habitual drug and alcohol abuse are generally considered good reasons to reject a candidate in favor of someone who would have a better chance.

Not every decision we disagree with is proof that this country is now a shithole. :(
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:05 PM
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29. That decision was the result of bigotry and bias, nothing more.
And yes, it is proof that this country is a shithole.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:40 PM
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33. nope, wrong!
in the article it says that they would have put him on the list after he completed a 60-day drug treatment class.l Clearly this was not about the state of his liver, but about some bullsh*t "above the influence"/DARE crap, which didn't even apply to him, as he was using medical marijuana.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:39 PM
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35. some strange logic there
they did say screw you. General policy is to give it to the sickest patients. You also made a large leap from legal medicinal marijuana to "habitual drug and alcohol abuse" ...Hook line and sinker
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:57 PM
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42. This wasn't drug abuse.
NT!

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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:21 PM
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43. Right on!!
Legalize marijuana for the love of God. I mean this is even more reason to do away with this country's stupid marijuana laws, and just treat pot like alcohol or tobacco, which kill you. Pot doesn't. Fuck the medical system too.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:08 AM
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4. I'm glad the business of saving lives has exemptions
Can't help the "undesirables", you know. Aww, crap. That means us "Liberal Commie Pinko Bastards", doesn't it?
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:27 AM
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6. The drug bureaus really have a lurid approach to law enforcement. (nt)
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:29 AM
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7. Self-righteous murderers.
May they live every day in incurable pain and all help denied.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:44 AM
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8. The war on drugs, marijuana division, is nothing but a war on people grounded in willfull stupidity.
Not willfull ignorance. Willfull stupidity.

Infuckingsanity!

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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:56 AM
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9. Thou shalt not have fun
Brought to you by Satan's nearest branch location. (They call themselves churches)
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:03 PM
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11. Injections of botulism toxin are OK. Vioxx is OK. Pot is bad.
Our government looking out for the people.

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:34 PM
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15. Well I agree
But the man who died used cannibis as medicine, not for fun. Thou shalt not have medicine is even worse. It is medicine.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:58 PM
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18. Yeah, but they object to it because it's fun
(No argument with your point)
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:28 PM
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13. kindly stop calling malevolence stupidity.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:56 AM
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10. RIP Timothy
:(
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:25 PM
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12. here's another one who got death penalty for pot
Pot's Shot
Marijuana Activists Sense Something In The Air - Besides Smoke

http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/52/pots-shot

Intent as ever to shake the Reagan propaganda for good and get people to start calling weed "grass" again, Cleveland's cannabis activists are on the march. Again. For the 10th-annual worldwide Million Marijuana March. After three years sitting out. And no, the grass had nothing to do with it.

John Hartman, the longtime de facto leader of the region's cannabis activist community as owner of Lakewood's Cannabis Connection and founder of the Ohio Cannabis Society, died in February after years of intensifying kidney dialysis. A transplant could have saved him, his friends say, but that wasn't happening in today's climate of ignorance and fear.

"He got knocked off the transplant list because he tested positive for pot," says Jerry J., another longtime activist who was on his way to visit Hartman at the nursing home when he learned of his death. "He got the death sentence for pot."

Jerry, a NORML activist since the '70s, says a vacuum formed when Hartman fell ill. For three years, the march was set aside. But enough was enough, he says. This march, coinciding with 200 others across the globe that've taken place on the first Saturday in May since 1999, will pay tribute to Hartman and another area activist, Joe Zoretic, who died unexpectedly in the past year. But after a moment of silence, the gathering will assume its traditionally festive air...

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:31 PM
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14. Another reason NEVER to admit to anyone that you have ever done anything illegal
Even if it's legal in your state but illegal under federal law.

NEVER ADMIT ANY WRONGDOING!
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:53 PM
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16. How do the U of Wash. Medical Center committee members sleep at night?
Not well, if there is any justice.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:57 PM
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17. Ambien. AND, it's FDA approved.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 12:59 PM by Bozita
Side effects?

Nothing to see here, folks. C'mon keep moving.

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:12 PM
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19. Would perfect squelch be for those MFers responsible to be given death sentences for
Edited on Fri May-02-08 03:15 PM by indepat
equally heinous, but different, crimes, such as, say spitting on the sidewalk? :mad: :D

Edited for context
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:54 PM
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21. Medical marijuana user who was denied liver transplant dies
Source: Raw Story


Authorized medical marijuana user dies after being denied liver transplant in Seattle

May 02, 2008 15:27 EST

A man who was denied a liver transplant largely because he used marijuana with medical approval to ease the symptoms of hepatitis C has died.

Timothy Garon, 56, died Thursday at Bailey-Boushay House, an intensive care nursing center, said his lawyer, Douglas Hiatt, and Alisha Mark, a spokeswoman for Virginia Mason Medical Center, which operates Bailey-Boushay.

His death came a week after a doctor told him a University of Washington Medical Center committee had again denied him a spot on the liver transplant list. The team had previously told him it would not consider placing him on the list until he completed a 60-day drug-treatment class.

The case highlights an ethical consideration for those allocating organs for transplant: whether using dope with a doctor's blessing should be held against a dying patient in need of a transplant.



Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Medical_marijuana_user_who_was_deni_05022008.html
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:54 PM
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22. For god's sake, that's murder. Or manslaughter at the very least. He wasn't lighting up
for kicks. This was part of his treatment.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:54 PM
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23. Compassionate Conservatism.
Dogs get to die with more comfort and dignity.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:54 PM
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24. Maybe Orin Smith would be interested
in what people think about this?

Orin C. Smith, retired president and chief executive officer of Starbucks Coffee Co., is chair of the UW Medicine board. He is a member of several other boards of directors in the community, including the YMCA of Greater Seattle and the Alliance for Education. He joined Starbucks in 1990 and has headed all business activities there since 1994. He previously spent 14 years with Deloitte and Touche in management consulting, has taught at the college level and served in two state administrations as chief financial officer.

I can't find any contact info for the illustrious Mr. Smith, but here's the "Community Relations" phone number for UW Medical Center: 206-543-3620
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:54 PM
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25. It's negligent manslaughter. Pure and simple. nt
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:54 PM
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26. Murderers.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:30 PM
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27. This article is not clear -
was he denied a liver - I mean, was there a liver waiting to be transplanted, or was he denied a place on the list? I'm sure it's no comfort to his family to know that he probably would have had to wait too long anyway. Livers are in very short supply.

I knew someone who was on the OMMP program and didn't use it because he was on the transplant list, and they would kick him off if he smoked pot.

Many of my doctors would rather give me toxic drugs that leave their trash behind, rather than just let me use a non-toxic herbal remedy that works 1000 times better than their expensive drugs.

I wish this county would wake up!
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Bush_MUST_Go Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:09 PM
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30. The article is clear. He was denied a place on the list.
"His death came a week after a doctor told him a University of Washington Medical Center committee had again denied him a spot on the liver transplant list. The team had previously told him it would not consider placing him on the list until he completed a 60-day drug-treatment class."


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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:38 PM
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32. the "drug class" bs reveals this for the bigotry it was.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:38 PM
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28. I'm totally confused. When I first read about this posted on DU,
did it not say he used "Marinol" that was prescribed and it did not matter? That article indicated he was being denied a transplant because of Marinol, not because of smoking it and that the doctor accused him of smoking BECAUSE of the Marinol. Now this article says he was smoking it. Can anyone clear up?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:26 PM
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31. Jesus Christ Almighty.
Pot is much less harmful than alcohol or tobacco.

End this mindless "war on (some) drugs."
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:17 AM
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38. and people are kept off the lists for using those as well.
It isn't about the 'war on drugs'.

Tobacco and marijuana can contain mold. With the anti-rejection drugs necessary during, prior to, and following an organ transplant, the patient is very susceptible to fungal infection.
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peacebuzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:38 PM
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34. The posters above are so correct in stating that FDA sanctified drugs are worse
than the residual effects of pot on the system. It is the lesser of evils in so many circumstances, but because millions have not or could not be spent and made by Big Pharma's ritual of testing and marketing, pot is the illicit status it is.

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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:45 PM
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36. Will they accept donations from pot smokers?
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:48 PM by mitchtv
I say advise Unos.Org that donation is off the table because you smoke weed. Let'm hear about it

http://www.unos.org/contact.asp
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:14 AM
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37. It's because of the drugs you take AFTER the transplant
Edited on Sat May-03-08 12:16 AM by Cell Whitman
A friend had a liver transplant and they told him in no uncertain terms if he tested positive for pot they would NOT give him the transplant. It had NOTHING to do with whether pot was legal or how the doctors felt about smoking it.

He told me it was because after a liver transplant you have to take a lot of drugs and at least one of them does not react properly if there is pot in the system. I don’t profess to know all the details of this but that is what my friend told me. He died, but the liver did keep him alive about eight years. When he was in the hospital having the transplant the guy in the room next to him received the same instructions but he smoked pot and they refused him the transplant because they would be wasting it on him. He died.

I suspect the sixty days is to make sure it is completely out of the system otherwise they would be wasting a liver that could be given to someone who would be more likely to survive.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:43 PM
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40. not true (about interactions)
I have lived it. My hepatologist told me it was ok. Alcohol does skew testing , Pot does not
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 04:37 PM
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41. what do you mean by "testing"?
Edited on Sat May-03-08 04:39 PM by Cell Whitman
that is not what I was saying my friend who told me the guy in the room next to him was refused the liver because he smoked pot after being told not to.

What do you mean "testing" - I have said I do not claim to be an expert but what he said had nothing to with "testing" as I understood it. It had to do with how pot and the drugs one takes AFTER the transplant react.


Willing to learn but your answer I do not understand. Do you mean that the tests to tell if you have a problem with your liver are skewed by alcohol. That is not what I am saying.

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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:39 PM
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47. The only real testing post transplant is LFT
liver function tests which when Do Not Show up. Alcohol , I have been told can mimic rejection results ( I have been told) At very least it negatively affects those LFTs.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:47 PM
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46. Me, too. There are NO pot/drug interactions. It is simply the
bias of the transplant team involved. When I was waiting for my transplant, (I'm a non smoker) I went to a christmas party and went outside around the fire, there were probably two people smoking cigarettes. Next thing I know, the transplant hospital fired off a letter telling me that I was being taken off the list for SMOKING. I went in and told them they were full of shit, I am a non smoker and do NOT SMOKE, and they reran the tests and said it was "second hand smoke" level and they took me off the transplant list for THREE MONTHS!!! For three solid months I had to run from anybody I saw smoking. They ended up not transplanting me and I got cancer. I did get the transplant but the cancer has returned now, three years later, and I blame the hospital for their bullshit.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:41 PM
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48. someone squealed on you
I tolf my dr when I had axcites so bad there was no room for food in my abdomen. smoked a little wee , and ate the whole meal. I told my doc. she said can't do it, and that was the end of the story.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:18 AM
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39. I was searched for
merely suggesting my dying father could be comforted by marijuana.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:32 PM
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45. There's Your Pro-Life in Action
The same folks who would support this crap claim to give a shit about the unborn. What a load of crap. Life goes to the highest bidder for slaves to a world decided by wealth. Disgusting....

Oh and all women have no choice over their own bodies. Great message! :sarcasm:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:18 AM
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49. 10 to 1 that it was RW conservatives on the committee that made the decision to execute
Mr.Garon.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:29 AM
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50. Murder, plain and simple
they allowed that man to die, based on what?

How do they sleep at night?
Fucking murderers.
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