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meegbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 12:58 PM Original message |
Pastors May Defy IRS Gag Rule |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. Disgusting. Then let's eliminate all the election laws! I should be able to pay people to vote like |
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Joe Bacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
71. BULL! Right Wing Churches have done this for years! |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:22 AM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Because of "religious cronyism" this President puts our |
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Joe Bacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #77 |
86. If they wanna play, Make 'em pay! |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. I thought the IRS only investigates liberal churches for that? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Let's just say they are a lot more aggressive going after the liberal churches. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
41. The Christian Coalition lost its tax exempt status. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. Not soon enough. |
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Joe Bacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #60 |
87. Make Dogbeater Dobson focus on his own family! |
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mikeytherat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-03-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
102. Was the CC ever an official church, or just a PAC filing as a 501(c)? |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-03-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. The were never a "church" |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-03-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. The Christian Coalition was specifically founded as a PAC |
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dbackjon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. Let them pay taxes |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I agree. If churches want to get political, then they can |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. And receive no Faith Based Charity public dollars. |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
82. While NO fan of faith based charity policy...... |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Agreed |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
76. It is like a corporation is it not? |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
88. 100% agree. NT |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. fine let them pay taxes and no more deductions for their congregations. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
6. they are not going to do anything |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. "supreme court is not going to strike the separation of church and state out of the constitution" |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. No they instead make their own laws. |
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dogfacedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #23 |
61. Aren't most of the Supreme Court justices agents of the Vatican? |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Five RW Catholics are on the court |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-03-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #61 |
100. That is indeed true...and it is no coincidence |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. Preach on - we'll use the extra tax money to get kids health insurance |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. 'What would Jesus deduct....' |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #35 |
83. LMAO - but don't forget Mary, which makes 13 dependents! n/t |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
8. They already are defying the rule |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. The church as an organization didn't support him. |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Several pastors were supporting Bush from the pulpit |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. All agency heads no longer represent the people but |
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greiner3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
11. The solution? |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I agree. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. You're right! They should pay the price of admission, just like the rest of us if they're going to |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
16. If I recall right, the Catholic church came out against Kerry in `04. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. And Bush gave them money for doing so. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. You don't recall right |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. They should fire our Bishop because he sent an Anti-Kerry guidance for voting letter to each Parish |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Who was the Bishop? |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
57. The members should fire him since you could have lost |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #29 |
72. ah, see there is no rule, nor should there be |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. If that were true then you would lose half your members |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #29 |
84. I've not been in our church here enough in NE FL around |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. No? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I notice you provide no link for that ridiculous claim |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. The pope said pro-choice politicians risked excommunion |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. "Virgin Mary's End Time Prophecies" isn't my favorite news source. Can't you do better than that? |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. I do remember them saying he could no longer take communion. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. You remember "them"? Couldn't you be more precise? |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Talking heads on the TV. A link or two. Google will answer your questions. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Just to respond to that particular bullshit link, here's the follow-up: |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Have you any info? Links? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. American Catholic Bishops publish, ever four years, some guidance on "Faithful Citizenship" |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Good info. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Bush gave them our public tax money for votes. |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. Catholic Answers is still at it |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I'd be interested in any links you provide re: Nauman/Sebelius |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #70 |
89. Here is their current discussion |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:56 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Then again: KS archbishop tells Goveror Sebelius to stop taking communion (2008) |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. He also came out against the Iraq War. nt |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. So should we all. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #36 |
98. I remember all the fuss about it in the Kerry election. |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-03-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #27 |
104. A couple of lunatic bishops said they would deny Kerry communion... |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
18. Some information about 501(c)(3) status |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. What do they do with all the tax free exemption but build |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
92. All of these organizations can lobby for non-partisan political issues. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
19. I absolutely think they should be free to speak. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. It is insulting to their members since they support him and |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
47. Yes, I see what you're saying |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
26. Good for them: |
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crimsonblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
28. tax the hell out of EVERY single of these churches... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. But consider not taxing direct donations to Hospice/Addiction and other outreach programs? eom |
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crimsonblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. any organization that is faith based should NOT be tax-emempt. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #30 |
64. They can get public funding. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-03-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #30 |
108. Hospice yes, addiction no |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
32. It's the Alliance Defense Fund again |
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MarinCoUSA (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
33. If they win you will see "The National Church of the Republican Party" in a NY second. |
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Joey Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
38. Conservatives want a church run state n/t |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #38 |
79. They don't know what they are asking for. |
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Joey Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #79 |
93. That is what is so sad about the whole thing |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
43. Maybe this will end the tax free status of churches |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #43 |
80. Then they aren't spiritual but government directed right? |
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Retrograde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
46. Let them politic away |
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stanley01 (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. tax them all |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #46 |
81. and our public funding. They want it all. |
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mikehiggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
50. IRS "GAG" RULE? How about the Constitution? n/t |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. No it's separation of church and state. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Actually, they can do what they want in the church. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. What Constitution are you reading? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #73 |
90. I don't do it. But not because of the Constitution. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #90 |
96. No it is not legal or right. Do you need to read the law and |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-03-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
109. Uh, no |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
59. Greedy little traitors is what they are. |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-03-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #59 |
105. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a fucktard.... |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
65. Bring it on! |
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John Kerry VonErich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
66. Well... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. They should have known better. |
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muryan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
68. If they don't pay taxes, they shouldn't benefit from public services |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Jerry Falwell owned the whole town in VA |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
91. I assume you feel this way about all tax exempt organizations. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #91 |
97. See post #96. |
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thunderdog (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
85. Churches have ALWAYS engaged in politics. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #85 |
95. But not public funded to ran candidates like now. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-03-08 04:16 AM Response to Reply #85 |
99. which is why they should ALL PAY TAXES n/t |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
94. This is the bottom line for you to consider. |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-03-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #94 |
110. And it isn't |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-03-08 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
101. Tax ALL of those pulpit-dwelling grifters |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-03-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
107. Can I be an undercover IRS agent? |
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