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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:47 PM
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U.S. pondering response to Beirut violence
Source: Reuters

CRAWFORD, Texas, May 9 (Reuters) - The United States is conferring with the U.N. Security Council and others in the Middle East about possible measures against those responsible for the recent violence in Beirut, the White House said on Friday.

The White House has accused the Iranian-backed group Hezbollah of inciting the violence in the Lebanese capital and routing forces loyal to the U.S.-backed government.

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/WAT009462.htm



Press Briefing by Gordon Johndroe
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/05/20080509-2.html
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:49 PM
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1. Another country we have to free from tryanny?
It's so Orwellian.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:55 PM
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2. Here We Go Again...
:eyes:
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:56 PM
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3. Why not invade Burma and set those people free?
Even I might get behind that.

Man, I hate the mutherfuckers who are running that country. :mad:
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:58 PM
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5. No shit - gotta love this administration's priorities
n/t
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:57 PM
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4. the timing of all this seems quite curious...
lets see how this all unfolds...
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:58 PM
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6. So I guess we are the "Policemen of the World"
right Condi? Could be a good place to go "Nation Building" right Chimpy?
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:59 PM
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7. So we incited the violence...??? What now? n/t
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 04:05 PM
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8. So whats France got to say about the situation in their former colony ?
France wanted to strike the Bekka valley 'training camps' in early 1980's after their peace keeper force was bombed the same day US barracks at the Beirut airport was hit with a suicide bomb.

Let France have a say.
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Turner Ashby Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 04:09 PM
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9. Maybe we shouldn't have had a ship sitting out in their waters
in the first place. It is well known that the Sinora govt was in our pocket. Why we feel the need to advertise and place the Sinora govt in more peril is beyond me. I wonder who had the brilliant idea of cutting off the communications of Hezbollah.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 04:58 PM
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10. That was us actually.... we told them to do it.
Brilliant no?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:35 PM
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11. ? Sinora wasn't around in the early 1980's when Yasser Arafat was holed up in Beirut
Edited on Fri May-09-08 08:47 PM by ohio2007
dunno wtf are you talking about with the
Maybe we shouldn't have had a ship sitting out in their waters in the first place.



btw
If it wasn't for the US ships off the coast of Beirut, the IDF wouldn't have stopped until they reached the Syrian border.
A US amphib carried Arafat out of Beirut and deposited him far way from where the IDF couldn't get him in Tunis.


"I wonder who had the brilliant idea of cutting off the communications of Hezbollah"

Didn't Hezbollah prepare to set up wiretaps on government and private phone lines with that communication and surveillance equipment ? Well that 's what I heard.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=80e_1210187019

question;
what is the opposite of "US backed" Lebanese govt. ? A pro Syrian/Iranian backed movement?


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e7f_1210349091

French video;
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=489_1210163040


How many Lebanese leaders were killed in car bombs over the past couple of years participating in the "democratic" process?


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5ba_1197474949

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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:49 AM
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12. they ALMOST managed to drag syria and iran into this mess the last time
i think this time they will be a tad more 'proactive'

they MIGHT be able to use this to 'justify' a war with Iran but its iffy.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:48 AM
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15. Diplomatic Pressure Mounts On Hezbollah ( another "they" is speaking out against Iran )
Iran may be forced to back down from "the other side of Islam" ( Sunni/Shia isn't PC to be brought up in the same apartheid group ) as "THEY" are pondering what the Sunni "block's" response should be;

Diplomatic Pressure Mounts On Hezbollah
With Hizbollah's grip on mainly Muslim west Beirut tightening the crisis in Lebanon is increasingly galvanising the diplomatic community.

Hizbollah may be preparing to turn over the west to the army to avoid being labelled an occupier, but the army is struggling to maintain neutrality. The United States has already conferred with the UN Security Council and other regional governments on possible action against Hizbollah.

The Arab League is holding an emergency meeting on Sunday at the demand of
Saudi Arabia and Egypt, with the "Friends of Lebanon"

group meeting the following day. This comprises
seven Arab nations, the League, the EU, UN, and Germany, Britain, France and Italy.

The latter two European nations are being particularly active, with speculation in Rome that the Italian-led UN peacekeeping force patrolling the border with Israel may see an extension of its role in the country.

At least 18 people have died and nearly 40 been injured in the last four days of street battles. The Lebanese government and its western and moderate Arab allies believe Iran and Syria are to blame, for having encouraged and armed Hizbollah.


video link;
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=33b_1210406166


the other "THEY";

seven Arab nations, the League, the EU, UN, and Germany, Britain, France and Italy
Are "they" the ones you mean by the statement;

----"they ALMOST managed to drag syria and iran into this mess the last time" ----

the last time ?
That kidnapping incident of those two IDF soldiers was the last time you are referring to ?



Another They;

Saturday, May 10, 2008
Thank FRANCE for Hezbollah's Takeover of Lebanon

According to news sources, Lebanon is at the Tipping point and Soon might be run by the terrorist group Hezbollah:


Shiite gunmen from the Amal group prepare to attack a building of government supporters during a gunbattle in a seized neighborhood in Beirut. BEIRUT, Lebanon — Shiite Hezbollah gunmen seized nearly all of the Lebanese capital's Muslim sector from Sunni foes loyal to the U.S.-backed government on Friday following the country's worst sectarian clashes since the bloody 15-year civil war.


At least 11 people have been killed and more than 20 wounded in three days of street battles and gunfights, security officials said.....About 100 Shiite Hezbollah militants wearing matching camouflage uniforms and carrying assault rifles marched down Hamra Street, a normally vibrant commercial strip in a mainly Sunni area of Beirut. They took up positions in corners and sidewalks and stopped the few cars braving the empty streets to search their trunks. (Fox News)


Of course, part of the blame for this victory for the forces of terror could be sent toward Hezbollah's handlers in Iran and Syria. But the terrorist organization would not have had the opportunity to start a Lebanese civil war if it wasn't for France.

The original U.S.-French sponsored UN resolution to end the Second Lebanese war called for "a full cessation of hostilities" based on "the immediate cessation by Hezbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations." The resolution called for disarming of Hezbollah, the immediate return of the kidnapped Israeli Soldiers, and a UNIFIL force that had some teeth to prevent Hezbollah from rebuilding its terrorist army.

As soon as the Arab league protested, France backed down and a much weaker resolution was passed. You have to wonder what the Middle East would look like today if France stood its ground.



..........





The other "they" could be Israel.
They agreed to leave southern Lebanon if Hizbollah returned their captured soldiers............



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Satyagrahi Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:59 AM
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13. Some good analysis:
Nir Rosen:

"The Americans thought that they could pick a proxy and get him to rule Lebanon. But Lebanon is too complicated for them, and they didn't know that no single group can rule Lebanon. The Americans along with their Saudi allies backed the creation of sectarian Sunni militias in Lebanon, some of whom were even trained in Jordan. Their ideology consisted of anti Shiite sectarianism. But these Sunni militiamen proved a complete failure, and America's proxies in Lebanon barely put up a fight, despite their strident anti Shiite rhetoric. Now it is clear that Beirut is firmly in the hands of Hizballah and nothing the Americans can do will dislodge or weaken this popular movement, just as they cannot weaken the Sadrists in Iraq or Hamas in Gaza."
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/05/the_end_of_the/

Augustus Richard Norton:

"The U.S. has put a lot of capital into Lebanon to support the weaker side politically and militarily. The U.S. approach is based on one side can prevail, and that's not how things work. This is a country where consensual politics is the name of the game and the way things are done," said Augustus Richard Norton, who served with the United Nations in Lebanon and is the author of "Hezbollah: A Short History." "If there's going to be a solution, it will involve some compromise with the opposition, which will include Hezbollah."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/09/AR2008050902628.html?hpid=topnews
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:18 AM
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14. It is a grave mistake for the US to see Hezbollah as solely terrorist, solely religious
That would completely ignore the fact it is also a political/social/economic response to the Sunni and Christian neo-liberal ruling classes in Lebanon.

The article is dead on... These factors have to be considered when dealing with Hezbollah.

Of course, the Bush admin never shed any tears killing people/letting people die to support the wealthy in any country.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:09 AM
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16. Let the Arab League deal with the mess
The league helped create what the situation has become today in Lebanon. Send Arab peacekeepers in to police the camps,borders and burbs of Beirut.

Are the Arabs not their Muslim brothers keepers or do they want the US to fight their battles while they maintain their status quo hatred for the US policies ?

Its more of a Sunni / Shia / Christian issue where the 'problem' majority has expected the minority to shoulder the burdern for tooooo long now.


Where's the Arab League oil $ going ? We've spilled enough blood for their oil supported kingdoms.
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