Chrysler unleashes Dodge Challenger

Source: msnbc.com

Chrysler unleashes Dodge Challenger
But will consumers embrace the gas-guzzling, nostalgic muscle car?



updated 12:46 p.m. ET, Sun., May. 11, 2008

BRAMPTON, Ontario - The 2008 Dodge Challenger began rolling off the assembly line Thursday into an uncertain market that could embrace the nostalgic muscle car or reject it for its gas-guzzling excess.

"From my perspective, it's the ultimate halo vehicle," said Reid Bigland, president and chief executive of Chrysler's Canadian operations. "The attention this product gets is like nothing I've ever seen."

But even Bigland says it's hard to predict how long that demand will last. It's a difficult time to be launching a $40,000 car with the fuel economy of a large sport utility vehicle. U.S. auto sales were down 8 percent in the first four months of the year as the weak U.S. economy took a toll on consumer confidence.

At the same time, gas prices reached a record high of $3.62 per gallon recently and could climb to a national average of $4 per gallon in the coming weeks. The 2008 Challenger gets 13 miles per gallon in the city and 18 on the highway, the same as Chrysler's largest SUV, the Dodge Durango.

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How fucking clueless can U.S. Automakers be? 13 mpg? $4.00 per gallon?

I bought my wife a new Prius for Valentines Day. I'm 56 years old, and it's the first foreign car I've ever bought, except for a 5 year old VW bug I bought back in 1973.

I had to travel from The Clearwater FL area on Wed. up to Myrtle Beach SC to be with my father while he had a heart catherization. I gassed up in Tarpon Springs FL, and didn't stop until I got off I-95 in Florence SC. 500 miles. I filled up again and squeezed 10.5 gallons into the tank. It only holds 11.9 gallons. The onboard fuel computer said that I averaged 47.5 mpg for the trip. And it gets better mileage than that in the city.

Buy an American car? I'd love to. But, not if I have to keep feeding Exxon-Mobil to do it.

And I still have beer money left.

It's impressive how the automakers never learn... though it could be an interesting choice in a Mad Max world.

The 442 was a great car too with a 455 ci and ram air W heads. And then there was the 1966 Camero with a 365 horse 396 ci close chamber high compression heads. Oh and of course the 1968 Plymouth GTX with 440 ci. Ah the good ol days when gas was $0.30 a gal and you could custom order mussel cars from the factory. All good things come to an end and I am glad to have owned these cars back then. Of course there is that new BMW with a 451 horse package which will blow away any other car, for those with $50k to throw away. pffft

Mad Max's first car was an Australian ford XB Falcon, and was was actually a 1974 ex-Victorica police sedan. It had a 351 Cleveland and an FMX automatic originally, and also in the movie.

the Challenger was greenlit about 5 years ago. To have stopped or changed production of this, they would have had to made the decision at least 18 months ago.

I understand why some would not want this vehicle. I encourage them not to purchase it.

Duke

about peak oil or at least the rising demand for oil by China and India, and other factors were going to drive up the price.

Chrysler has already sold all 6,400 of the 2008 Challengers it plans to make for the U.S. market as well as several hundred for buyers in Mexico and Canada. Spokeswoman Kristin Tyll said Chrysler will begin taking orders for the 2009 Challenger in the next few weeks.

Do they only make one when someone puts in an order? If they're planning on placing 20 with each dealership I'd wager a lot of them are going to just sit there. Custom orders are a different story.

They will never make it to the new car lot. They are currently taking orders for 2009. These could also sell out or Chrysler could increase their numbers. Until demand slips below production, only pre-ordered cars will be made.

They were all sold about a year ago!

They will be releasing one using the 3.5 L probably later this year.. 3.5 is about a 20 mpg minimum depending on how it's configured. It's a good engine for a v6. Still they should make these hybrids.

Almost no one out there knows how quickly hybrids accelerate. They need to start pitching their performance more.

that actually is the ramping up of production in such a way that the flagship model goes on sale first.

I remember reading a discussion one time on a forum about Ford Mustangs in which one participant was hoping that they had the V-8 and no wimpy assed V-6's. Another participant told him not to be an ass because it was the huge number of V-6 mustangs that introduce the economies of scale that keep Mustang 8s from costing the same as a corvette.

In the article they mention upcoming 2009 challengers with 3.5 liter v-6s. So what they're doing is releasing the first big motor challengers now as 2008 models (we could even say 2008.5 this late into the season which begins in Sept.) in a way that people will pay through the nose for them and they get the exclusivity and rareness until fall of 2008 when the 2009's roll out. It's a way to maximize the profit of the period of newness and rareness that cars have.

That's not unprecedented...Chevrolet used to make police cars once a year (back when they still made police cars), Harley-Davidson makes Shrine Edition motorcycles once every two years...in this case, they set a sales target, sell through the planned inventory, then order the parts from the various suppliers and in-house organizations to make the cars.

People WILL buy this car even though it only gets 16mpg. That's better than an old Challenger got, this car doesn't pollute nearly as bad as an old one, and you can get parts for it. (The odds of any consumable part on this car not coming off another Dodge--either the Charger or a truck--are exceptionally low.) And for most of the people who get one, it won't be their only car.

It is probably the same platform as the Chrysler 300 and the Dodge Charger. Anyone stupid enough to by one could probably save about 10 grand by buying one of the high performance versions of the other two, which are both available with packages that produce more than 400 horsepower.

Do you understand how expensive it is to make a low volume vehicle?

The capital cost alone for the supply base has got to be astronomical.

Let alone the piece cost of the variable labor to break into existing production lines to set-up and tear down.

Let me put it another way: The Germans bought Chrysler for $ 36 Billion and the Germans sold it off for $9 billion.

I would love to see the business case where that makes sense. But it must have made sense, because the Germans executed it.

Which tells you that Chrysler is so screwed up that the Germans would take a $ 27 Billion bath to make a smart business decision.

Scary.

I'm not kidding.
this is apparently evidence of his
'keen business sense' they talk about here

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_40/b3953117.htm

Our current Porsche was part of a lifetime production
run of just about 13,000 vehicles for that model.

You can also do well if the car is an offshoot of a
larger production run. One of Mr. Tesha's earlier
Porsches had a lifetime production run of 3,351
but a related car in the platform (sharing at least
some of the parts) sold more than 118,000 vehicles.
The Dodge Challenger almost certainly falls into
this category.

As another data point, Ferrari builds about 3,500
cars each year, total, across all of the models.

Tesha

Obviously far less expensive than building the electric car so many of us have been begging them to build over the past two decades. Hell, I'd settle for a hybrid.

No matter how you look at it, the American car companies have lost ANY justification in continuing to attempt to guilt us into "Buy(ing) American." They don't care about their consumers and they certainly don't care about their workers.

I'm doubtful.

In any case, not giving Americans what they need.

I don't think this new metal wonder is going to get very far.

I won't be buying one.

Those who "made" money since Bush took office, who can afford $4.00 gas, not the average American who is struggling to make ends meet!

The people who are buying these will keep them in the garage except for a few sunny days a year. The cost of the gas will be in the "entertainment" column of the budget.

My cousin's kid works as a summer golf caddy at a private club. Orthopedic surgeons making $5,000,000.00 a year have H-2 Hummers and the most expensive Lexus and Mercedes SUV's their kids and wives also also drive Lamborghinis and Ferraris to play tennis and ride their horses. Those fuckers don't sweat $6.00 a gallon gas.

I have always believed that power is worth any cost. And I've had (my sons still have) a car that got less than 5 mpg. Given the chance, I'd do it again.

...Mad in Brampton,OT Canada for Christ sake..

out in the real world where people have to choose between gas, food and medicine - they might get "keyed"

:eyes:

I don't know if destroying other people's personal property is a valid way of expressing disdain for their choices. Just sayin.

Duke

stuff happens when there are ostentatious displays and blatant disregard for the reality of life.

Most buyers of high performance cars (including me) have worked their asses off to afford these vehicles, only get scratched or egged by some jealous/immature asshole. I'd be ready to kill if someone keyed up my 01 Trans Am or my Dodge Dakota. I have no remorse for vandals what so ever. Repaint jobs are expensive as hell for any vehicle, its the last thing I want to do for either one of my vehicle.

..."just happen" when folks mess with people's cars and other items, at least where I come from.

Look, this is how the cycle goes---gas goes down, economy picks up, the SUV start flying off the lots. Gas goes to $5, economy goes in the tank, and people wanna ride piggyback on me as I motorcycle to work.

Same as it ever was--which is why the Earth Liberation Front and groups of their ilk are silly and downright stupid for destroying people's property in "support" of their causes. It only alienates folks, and it certainly isn't anything worth going to Federal, "make friends with Bruno" prison over...

Duke

:eyes:

Yeah, that'll get Chrysler out of the doldrums.


:rofl:

and will be trashed on celluloid?

The iPod is considered a halo product because it created a buzz, and encouraged some people to consider Apple's home computers.

A Dodge Challenger is not a halo product, since nobody would buy it and then think "I need a minivan, I'll look to the same company." The Challenger is built for a specific audience, those 6400 people bought them. They'll feel cool, but they'll be an idiot. Somebody who buys a Ferrari has no problem with gas prices, that Ferrari owner won't see any appeal from a Challenger, especially one this ugly. So this car appeals to a different audience. And that audience can't afford to drive something like this.

I wonder how much they spent to special build this car. If they were able to use all of the same lines they use for other vehicles, with no reconfiguation costs, then this is an interesting case where they can test microbuilds. If they had to invest $50M to build the equipment to build these cars, then somebody at Dodge should be executed.

this is a "prestige" car for the lower middle class. This is not the kind of vehicle a big executive wants to show off.

And guess what, the lower middle class don't have no extra money right about now.

It continues to amaze how the American car companies can keep doing everything EXCEPT build fuel efficient cars.

Another year. Another 5% to Toyota. So it goes.

which means they did what they set out to do. My guess is they know more about their business than you do.

Peace.

The person quoted in the article called this car the ultimate halo.

Not the ultimate product. If they want to sell 6400 cars and ignore the opportunity to sell a million inexpensive lightweight and efficient vehicles, that's their call.

But to think that buying this piece of crap is going to lead to sales of other Dodge products isn't naive, it's borderline insane.

These idiots set out to sell 6400 cars. In a whole year. That's a shocking waste of their time for something so average.

I understand this isn't your kind of car, and respect that. But there's a whole class of people who think tweaked cars are da shit. It seems naive at best to think everyone has the same values as you, and a bit solipsistic to think yours are the only ones that count.

I get the halo effect here. I wouldn't buy one of these machines but I love cars, love taking them apart and putting them back together better, and this kind of car appeals to a lot of people who have that same natural affinity. Chrysler knows that it's absolute toast if it tries to sell me-too generic cars, the lowest profit market segment. Chrysler does not have the capital, the distribution network, the manufacturing efficiency, or the labor cost structures to compete against the Asians. I suppose you would recommend a family grocer opening up next to Wal-Mart, too.

Chrysler is now a specialty-segment marque and without brand cred and image it will go out of business. Pontificate all you want but again, you don't work there and you don't understand the car mindset. My opinion only, of course.

But there's a whole class of people who think tweaked cars are da shit.

Yes, in the UK these would be called chavs.

Hey, there's a new potential market for Chrystler. They could make a few hundred of these with Burberry paint and export them.

Cuz progressive means "laughing my ass off" at anyone who believes or chooses differently.

As a technique for persuading others it simply has no parallel.

:shrug:

They won't lose money on them.

The styling of this monstrosity will fall flat within a year.

...Then I've got the car. Hey, I wouldn't buy one of these, but if I had the money, I would definitely buy a Jaguar E-Type, roadster or coupe, I don't care, as long as it had the V-12 in it. They get lousy gas mileage, and okay, it wouldn't be my daily driver, and there's the rub. I've been trying to ride my bicycle (one of the greatest inventions ever - the engine is the payload) to work, but I'm not hardcore, and I don't like getting wet or fighting 40 mph winds like we've had in the last couple of days.

The bottomline is: hey, if you can afford it, drive whatever you want! If an A-1 Abrams was street legal and you could afford the three gallons to a mile, what the fuck... you're an American, drive whatever you want to; pursuit (literally) of happiness, and all that rot, right?


There's a market for this car, so therefore, it will be so. With the ability to whip up batch type cars (and here Chrysler-Benz excels: re: the Plymouth Panther, the Dodge Viper, ect.) modern manufacturers can produce niche cars in limited numbers, just like microbreweries. Whatever happened to the Citroens, the Model T's and the Volkswagens?

For the cost of a new hybrid, I think most people would just spring for a Cobalt, Neon or Focus with five-speed transmission, sans air and power windows and door locks. I know a lot of people where I work have done exactly that. They generally live about forty to fifty miles away, and it's basically highway mileage exclusively.

I recently bought my Dad's neighbors car, a 1996 Cadillac DeVille for two grand. It has leather, air and all the accessories and is, arguably, the most comfortable car I have ever driven. 32-valve Northstar engine - about 15 miles to a gallon. However, before you judge me too harshly, how much does a new hybrid cost? All I need is transpo to and from work. it would would take at least twelve times as much money as I spent on this luxury automobile (admittedly with a 186 thousand miles on it) to purchase a new hybrid with similar equipment

Hell, folks, you all might be able to pick up a nicely equipped SUV fairly cheaply these days.

The real issue is how many of those Escalades out there are paid off with a clear title?

It's a buyer's market, y'all!

man taking a rabid dog off it's leash.

That was then, and this is now. But that was one of the best Dodges ever. What fun. In a different era, of course.

I love the ESPN Classic car auction shows, and these babies go for an enormous amount of money now. Sickening, I know, but it stirs the heart of someone who turned 19 in 1970.

:)

Yellow w/black accents

Sharp looking and fast. We are lucky we survived that car.

Of my '72 Cuda. I swapped out the 340 for a 440 out of a Chrysler Imperial. It ran 9.0's on the eighth mile track in Phoenix City. Those were the days.

Prices from from $23k --> $189k! This one sells for $119k:



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and it was fucking fast.

Will it run on No gas? How about if I don't have any money? Will it run if I don't have any money? Well, George Bush and Fox News says everything is fine and anyone that questions Fox News is not "Patriotic". So here goes..... I am a White Male, born on the fourth of July. I have a Lapel Flag Pin and I watch Bill O'Reilly and Fox News every Day. I firmly believe in Waterboard Torture, and I am sure $5 Gas will never come to pass. What's that you you say? "Get the F---- out of here"? Well, I'm shocked. Shocked I tell You! After all this work.. I have strived to be a good little Neo-Con Republican.. and this is how youw treat me? Well, screw you.

this time with a new challenger.

the original is perfect

But to their credit, they probably began working on this gas guzzler prior to $4/gallon gasoline.

It will be the perfect freepermobile, though. Which is a good thing, since they'll go broke buying fuel.

the new chally is best thought-of as a boulevard cruiser, or something to roll into the local cruise-in or car show...

nose-heavy iron block = bad
4100 lbs = worse
the handling will probably be horrific, and the fuel economy has already been discussed...unlike some others here, i do have a love of performance cars, but this latest offering from dodge is DOA, and at this point in time will NOT help their brand image. I know it takes years for automakers to go from idea to design to concept to production, but imo, this car came out about 5 years too late (and 600 lbs overweight)

I think the 2009 Camaro will give them a run for their money. :loveya:

I like it. Reminds me of Bender when he turned into a werecar. But it still kinda lacks the squinch factor of seeing nothing but the grille of a Dodge Ram Behemoth in your rear view mirror at 65 MPH on I-81. :scared:

won't hurt the staggering US auto worker union this time

Or the Magnum.

Or the Ford Mustang.

Meaning, lots.

Just saying. Bring up a retro, one or two sensible, one or two outrageous. Sell a ton.

and be a bust.

It will all depend on cost. Will this thing be priced reasonably, say competitive to a Mustang? Otherwise, I guess there's a small segment that wants to buy remade retro cars, but I still think anyone that can actually afford gas for a sports car will likely buy any number of sports car out there like a Corvette, Porsche, etc.

That's like comparing the Challenger to the Lotus Elise. People don't buy $50k Fords unless it has the word "Shelby" on it or has aftermarket trinkets from Roush or Saleen.

I think the Challenger will directly mimic the Charger. The Corvette is another specialty car, and Porsche isn't in this league at that money. Anyone spending 911 money will buy an original Hemi from back in the day.

which is not a style that Americans generally gravitate to. Charger/300 has been a good sedan platform. I wish they would have used some of their Daimler-Chrysler connections to make it available with a diesel engine, it would make a cool conversion to biodiesel.

As far as gas consumption is concerned, I'm of 2 minds on this. On one hand, these cars get relativelt poor mileage for sedans. On the other hand (and I believe this might have been the logic of the company, especially with the magnum) if people are going to be moving down from SUV's, they are still going to want a vehicle with similar capacities. The family of 5 is not going to switch to a honda civic or even an accord if they want a car for long trips. A Magnum, Charger, or 300 might work though.

:smoke:

I admit, I am drooling over the new Challenger AND the Camaro but I won't be buying one. If they had technology that got them 50mpg, then I'd CONSIDER it. If they were electric, I'd trade in my Honda today and buy one ASAP!

I hope anyone who buys this new car has to take a refresher driver's ed course. That looks like an army tank!

But absolutely fucking useless.

like most other Chrysler products now. And believe that they will be because they are going to squeeze every once of profit out of these they can since they are a guaranteed 'sell'. Ask any Chrysler product owner from the last 12-15 years if they kept the crap after even the dealers couldn't figure out why the sudden 'dies on the road'. It's the crappy electronics from Mexico that they slam into every fucking one of them. Anyone who has the money to buy one of these ought to also have the money for the diagnostics to figure out which crap in the electronics to replace and then replace it with some GM stuff.

A good starting point on all Chrysler electronic crap is the 'coil pickup' -just replace that right away with some GM electronics.

And if Quayle is part of it now that means it is being bled Mafia style even more. David Stockman from the Reagan era was part of the Metaldyne group that bought up a load of the old Chrysler factories and then either closed them or turned them into wage slave factories....

And I say this as someone who owned real Road Runner (72) real Charger (68).

Other than the name, Chrysler is mostly Mexican Maqueliadora CRAP now. Of course who cares? It is only employees, consumers, and the economy for us peons that has been fucked. The big boys are still sipping Manhattans at the club right? And using rigged elections systems to give us lame fucks like McCain come November.

It's really, really REALLY hard to feel good about American auto-making, anymore, reading stuff like this.

...they'll have enough left over to retool for next year's plug-in hybrid.

One can hope.

I wish it were true.

...and I know what "bless your heart" means.

:P

A thousand apologies.

No, I really sincerely wish I were as optimistic. That profit's gonna get burned on the pyre of executive perks and privileges, and they'll be begging for a handout next year. Meanwhile they'll cut jobs and benefits for the their factory workers, and Toyota and Honda will keep setting the bar on hybrids and other smart cars.

I just can't understand why US automakers are so far behind the curve. Well, I know why, but it just doesn't make sense.

As for Chrysler using the $$ to invest in new, fuel-friendly technologies, there's a 99% probability it will never happen and the other one percent is "No freakin' way."

I hope that a U.S. automaker will jump to the front and produce plug-in hybrids, hydrogen fuel-cell, or biodiesel lines. I would love to buy an innovative American-made car. As it stands the most technologically sound and reliable cars on the market are Japanese. That must change. The U.S. has plenty of talent and brainpower; all it's lacking is the will.

...and this is the best we can do?

If you had an average commute (say, 30 miles each way), it would be about 20 bucks a day, or 400 bucks per month.

That's quite a bit to pay for some attention.

A $40k car with a 5 year loan and 9% interest is $830/mo. 10,000 miles per year is 833 miles a month, so that's a dollar a mile for the car in the first place. $.30 per mile for gas doesn't seem so high for the person who can afford that car in the first place.

My take on it: It looks like a cartoon scooby-doo version of the original.


http://images.importtuner.com/events/0610impp_06z+dodge_challenger+right_front_view.jpg

seriously... the only thing they can think of is a design inspired by 40 years ago. sad.

For a long time people dreamed of a car that was like the one they had in high school but new and with all the modern stuff. The trick was getting to actually look like the real deal in the modern world.

The new mustang is real, real close and even maintaining the tradition of an affordable car. On the other retros, it fills a need, a demand.

Me, I'd love it if they brought back the VW van with the split window.

I drove a 1986 volvo 240 in high school. I definately don't want anything remotely similar to that car for the rest of my life. To each his own, I guess... I'm just not stuck on designs from 40 years ago.

May be more than that. My math may be off. I just know that I use one gallon of gas every two weeks (two gallons a month). I ride a scooter. I used to be gasoline free for daily travel when I had an electric scooter but it was not fast enough so that made it dangerous. I think I am ok with the amount I am using even though it is not technically as good as the electric option.

These two were mine. The first one was before I bought it, the second one was after I bought it. I had it painted blue. About the Lancia: The body flexed on corners causing the doors to open.

This was in Sub Sahara Africa. Rust was not a problem.

Wayne and I would take the fiat down the mountain and strip wrecked cars of salvageable parts. If a car went off the mountain road. They took out the bodies and left the cars. That's unless the Hyenas and vultures didn't get there first.

We'd tie two ropes to the Fiat, one for Wayne, and one for the booty. It was fun.

Is Chrysler a company with a great future behind it, or a company with a brilliant past ahead of it?

... given we're fighting a war over oil. (just ask McCain)

As a daily driver someone has to be really unconcerned to buy it. But if someone wants it as a car they take out for a Sunday drive, then it is no different than having the original in your garage as a show piece.

It is all what someone can afford. If Detroit thinks there are enough people that fit that bill, then that is their business. That said, I think they will be eating it on this one. Oh, and it is not $4.00 a gallon. It is now $4.16 a gallon. At least where I live.

Meanwhile the rest of us are trying to live a little more responsibly.

I know, because I'm one of them. We're good people, not all of us are NASCAR-loving rednecks.

It gets horseshit mileage but I feel safe driving it deep into the country here in Minnesota. Deer.

My other car is a small efficient convertible that I drive in the city.

:eyes:

But it's also a niche car. Chrysler still has to meet CAFE standards like everybody else, and if that means they sell a few Calibers at or below cost to make the numbers, well, then, that's good news for the modest-income folks that want to buy a fuel-sipper.


It's out fault we haven't been gradually increasing CAFE standard since 1985. It led directly to the rise and popularity of the truck-based SUV and kept Detroit from making truly competative small cars. The small econoboxes the Big Three did make were typically sold near, at, or below cost in order to balance out a %7,000-profit SUV's low gas mileage. Domestic small car development fell behind because the profit was with SUVs.

And for good reason. SUVs are large, comfortable, capable vehicles for busy families. And better in the snow than either minivans or regular sedans. Not to mention the simple fact that people liked them!

Why would you spend $35,000 on a vehicle that did nothing for you?

Fortunately, now we are shifing away from truck-based platforms and into lighter, more efficient, more rigid, more carlike unibody construction, which will save a lot of weight (and fuel) for people that want SUV looks and all-wheel-drive, but don't need to be able to tow 8,000 pounds.

Headline writers need to RTFA. Pre-sold, sold out.

Reminds me of the Cayenne. Porsche research told management they could sell X number of them in the U.S. sight unseen, just because it would be a Porsche-badged SUV. So they manufactured X of them, and sold them all here.

These people are not idiots. This is no more a commuter car for Joe Everyman than the Cayenne is.

:-)

Even with inflation, that's way too much.

What dumbasses.

Bake

They look sharp. I'm waiting for the new Camaro though.

The gas guzzler is dead.

I'd love a freakin' car like that. But geez, their timing couldn't suck more.

too much gas and not enough mileage and i don't have the luxury of having a "fun" weekend car but it is sharp looking, i'm sure we'll see them in movies but maybe not too many in real life.

13mpg for this? Fuckin A, its probably not that much faster than my 01 Trans Am WS6 from being so much of a boat, plus my car averages around 22mpg and has reached 31mpg on the interstate.

The car looks good
Its too fucking heavy
The interior looks just like the Dodge Chargers
Oh yeah, Hemi's are over-rated engines.

I had one dude ask me "dude does that T/A have a HEMI?!?". I wanted to slap him...

Actually, I can't. I can't afford to rent one and I can't afford to drive one from Colorado to California.

But I can always dream.