Five blasts in India's Jaipur, five feared dead

Source: REUTERS

Tue May 13, 2008 11:03am EDT

JAIPUR, India (Reuters) - Five blasts were heard in the western Indian city of Jaipur on Tuesday evening, all within a few minutes of each other, police said, adding that witnesses had told them that five or six people had been killed.

"Five blasts. Some people have been injured and they have been taken to the hospital," Inspector-General of Police Pankaj Kumar told Reuters.

A police officer said colleagues were rushing to the scenes of the blasts in Jaipur's crowded old city, but that witnesses had called the police control room to say that five to six people had died.

Television stations reported six deaths and at least 20 injuries.



Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSSP1811320080513

same link.

I was going to add that to the original article, but my editing time had expired. :)

what were we thinking?

actually, a CIO I know speculated that sometime in the next 5 years there might be a big terrorist event in India that would cause upper management in general to ask 'what were we thinking'? he doesnt know of anything in particular, other than that's just the way that part of the world is

My 16 year old was in Jaipur 3 weeks ago....

I'm glad she's back on the west coast!

Because these blasts occurred at markets where they sell food and vegetables.

didnt read that anywhere

nice

i should be returning all the sympathy india has given American tech workers hurt by outsourcing......uh, wait....there wasnt any

:puke:

as i'm not one of the muslim extremists who did those (or whoever it was that did it) and yes, i did have genuine sympathy when bhopal happened

but that was a different era

but if they are competitive you cant?

has nothing to do with which people suffered

and read any messageboard

any messageboard at all

and certainly the people who died very likely didnt mock your job losses.

dont know how to say it plainer than that

not all indians are the same. if you read a blog by one indian, doesnt make the deaths of other indians any less tragic

your completely lack of empathy is far more telling about you, than about anything else

I do not support outsourcing to take advantage of cheap labor costs in any shape or form. But to blame the persons who are getting these jobs - to the extent that you think it is a good thing for them to DIE - is just amazing, and speaks volumes about the character of the poster.

What is ironic is that these 'low intensity' terrorist attacks - carried out in vulnerable places with less security - like temples on holy days - mostly kill people who are not even remotely connected with the IT industry. They are poorer people - laborers, domestic help, etc. The corporate parks where call centers are located, and the malls their workers shop in, the restaurants they eat at, have more security and are harder to attack (especially since Bombay (Mumbai)'s own 9/11 - in March 1993).

As another poster on this thread said, poor brown people in a remote part of the world getting blown up hardly bothers many in this country. Compare the coverage of the blasts in London on 7/7 to the coverage of such blasts in India, which are more frequent and have more casualties. I wonder what the reaction of some of the people posting on this thread would be if this happened in a church in a European country - say in Eastern Europe - where some jobs were outsourced to.

and yes you are correct. ofcourse for some people all brown people are the same. and all brown people are pretty dispensable.

Protest OUR government if you take issue with it. Don't blame people who are just trying to make better lives for themselves. They are no different than us.

or are you saying criticizing all lobbyists is a bad thing? Am I guilty of 'lobbyism'?

US India Political Action Comittee

http://www.usinpac.com/

and yes, usinpac lobbys for h-1b big time

from their website:

The H-1B visa program should be expanded as follows:
The cap on H-1B visas should be eliminated. Currently, US employers must undergo a lengthy and costly application process to demonstrate to the U.S. government that they have unmet demand for employees with critical skills that cannot be met by local or national talent searches. This visa program that has contributed so much to the tech-driven economies nationwide should further enable prospective U.S. employers should determine the numbers, skill requirements of foreign workers rather than arbitrary judgment and second-guessing by the Immigration and Naturalization Services.
Since it is important for American employers who invest heavily in training and research and development to continue to retain their best and brightest. Expediting the green card application process for H-1B visa holders, their spouses and minor children.

Makes no sense.

this is how they're rubbing our noses in it

blatent discrimination against us, for jobs in our own country



http://all-h1b-jobs.blogspot.com/2008/05/h1b-transfer-approved-expired-h1b-only_5408.html

...Americans are perfectly capable of doing.

But to slam on Indian people taking jobs that
are COMING to them is out of line!

Why don't you turn your misplaced anger on
American corporations who believe only in
short-term, bottom line practices that
destroy our middle class.

If Tata opened a plant in whatever state
you're from, I don't think you'd argue
that it would be GREAT if you were bombed
if you took a job there.

:crazy:

i NEVER said anything that indicated any joy in what happened to these people!!!!!

i made a comment that indicated that one of the risks of outsourcing has been underestimated, and that a cio told me years ago that sooner or later this issue would come up - it's absolutely true

but one person decided to imply that i had taken joy in what happend to the people, and proceeded to twist it

know that you're responding to her accusations, not my words

this was my original post, that set this off

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3307337&mesg_id=3307562

of terrorism?

We have.

repeat? guess i didnt hear you the first time

and it's a non-sequiter

my comment was about the political stability of IT locations in the USA vs India - that, and nothing else

everything else that's been made of that comment, is 100% red herring

Lots of work was disturbed when the towers went down,
or perhaps you don't remember Wall Street CLOSING?

And The Oklahoma bombing shut down operations
there for the IRS, too.

These religious bombings in India are unlike
the bombings here....how?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7401573.stm

...A US state department report has put India at the top of the list of countries worst afflicted by terrorism.

It says that India had more than 2,300 terrorism-related deaths in 2007 - about 10% of a worldwide figure of 22,000 terrorism-related deaths that year.

That is an astonishing number considering many of those 22,000 worldwide deaths occurred in Iraq and Afghanistan where wars are being fought...

They are just taking advantage of what 'we' gave them. They are just trying fulfill their America... errr Indian Dream, so-to-speak. If you want to be pissed at someone then be pissed at those who sent those jobs over there and allowed for it to happen.

You sure don't sound very sorry.

People have died. And I guess to you it doesn't matter, because they're Indian, and some companies have hired Indians to do work that was done here. Serves them right, is that your take?

I wonder, if a company from overseas set up shop in your area and started hiring thousands of local people... you'd think that's a very bad thing, right? And there'd be no mourning if some died in a terrible accident or attack, right?

These are people.

Most of the outsourced jobs are in Bangalore and hyderabad - about a 1000 miles away from Jaipur - where the blasts occurred. They dont even speak the same language and are almost like a different country.

If you wanted to say "serves them right" - you are blaming the wrong people.

:loveya:

Reports: Indian Authorities Thwart Terror Attack On Outsourcers

Indian authorities arrested a man who was plotting attacks on major outsourcing companies located in the tech hot spot of Bangalore, several Indian newspapers reported on Friday.

The man, a suspected member of a Kashmiri separatist group, was arrested early Friday near Bangalore. At the time, he was carrying an assault rifle, 300 rounds of ammunition, and a map marking the location of headquarters for outsourcing company Infosys Technologies, according to India's Financial Express. India's Business Express reported that the man also was targeting Wipro Technologies.

The papers reported that the man also may have been planning to attack Bangalore's international airport.

Spokesmen for Wipro and Infosys weren't immediately available to comment.

Because of its prominence as a national source of revenue, India's outsourcing sector is becoming a favorite target of dissident terrorist groups, including those seeking Kashmir's secession from the country.

Last year, members of the Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist group were found with plans targeting IT companies in Bangalore. In December 2005, a professor was killed and several others were wounded at a science conference in the city by a gunman with possible ties to a terrorist group, according to police.

http://www.techweb.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=196801492


Islamic Terrorists using Google Map and GPS systems to locate, track and monitor India’s IT and call center outsourcing hubs
Kiran Chaube


They want to hit at the core profit center of India Inc. They want to hit at the outsourcing centers all over the nation. They have placed moles in Infosys, TCS, IBM India, Wipro and other companies all over the countries. They are recruiting non-Islamic people to cause for confusion. With these field intelligence, they are using Google Map and Global Positioning Systems to track each and every outsourcing installations of India.

Pakistan’s ISI provides them with logistics and guidance. They are spread out ready to take on India.

The suspected Pakistan-trained militant, who was arrested on Bangalore outskirts, had visited Infosys and Wipro to find out the security arrangements there for a possible terror strike as per instructions of top insurgents in Pakistan with alleged LeT links, his questioning revealed.

Sources say he was visiting the moles already in place in those companies.

Police recovered one AK-56 rifle, 200 rounds of ammunition, five hand grenades, two magazines of AK-56 and one charger for satellite phone from his rented house at Ranipet in Bellary district, City Police Commissioner Neelam Achyut Rao said.

Rao said the 34-year-old terrorist, Bilal Ahmed Kota alias Imran Jalal alias Salim, was asked by his ‘bosses’ (top insurgents in Pakistan with alleged LeT links) to visit the offices of Wipro and Infosys and Bangalore airport to find out the security arrangements at these places and to report back.

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/15046.asp

what 'racists' Indian authorities must be, to think about that, with so many people dead

what a terrible influence I've had, on these good people

The stories quoted in post #49 date from January and June 2007, ages before this recent terror attack.

You don't think it is appropriate for Indian authorities - in normal times - to take steps to ensure the safety of organizations that benefit their economy? You might not approve of the very existence of these organizations, but they are operating perfectly legally (in fact, with the eager encouragement of American CEOs).

But, almost as soon as news of death and destruction by a terror attack breaks, you say 'I told you so - outsourcing there is a bad idea'! Even before a word of sympathy is expressed for those who have lost their lives, and the plight of their families. At best, this reveals a gross insensitivity to the plight of people who are not 'like you'.

"At best, this reveals a gross insensitivity to the plight of people who are not 'like you'."

gross insensitivity is coming into a country, and discriminating against the citizens, because we're 'not like them'

I assume you are talking about those here on H-1B and L-1 visas. And I also assume that the 'discrimination' you are talking about implies the fact that they are working for a lower wage than you would, and thus depriving you of a job.

They have no power to 'discriminate' against you. They are here entirely with the compliance of the US Government. If their visas were to be canceled tomorrow, and they were given 10 days to leave, they would have no choice but to comply. If anything, they are subject to exploitation.

You may say that they can 'choose' to not come to this country and work for lower wages. That is hardly an argument - anyone would choose any opportunity to earn more elsewhere. It has happened throughout history, in many parts of the world.

My comment on gross insensitivity stands.

because if you did, you've know than indian managers are notroiously racist in hiring

Infosys, WIPRO, Sayayam, Cognizent, TATA (Hillary's pals) to name a few, all Indian companies, notoriously discriminatory against US citizens in hiring in the USA


you think Senator Durbin is a 'racist'?

here's what he said:

" recent expose in the International Herald Tribune disclosed that 8 of the top 10 H-1B visa applicants last year were outsourcing firms with major operations in one country–India. So in many cases it wasn’t the American high tech company using the H-1B visa that was given this opportunity but, rather, a firm, more likely in India than any other country, that was given the authority to use H-1B visas to send workers into the United States. The Herald Tribune concluded:"

http://blog.noslaves.com/senator-durbin-on-h-1b-abuse-outsourcing-and-trading-people-2/

I do work in IT, FYI.

I do not deny the truth of the facts as reported on the blog.

But to say that the managers - if ethnically Indian - are motivated by race considerations, you are wrong. They are looking for those who will work the cheapest. At this point, they are taking people of Indian origin. If they find equally 'capable' and willing workers of some other nationality who will work cheaper, they will take them on. Many of these firms have recently set up offices in China, for example.

Also, these firms - and the name is 'Satyam' by the way - really do not have any products of their own - products that they create. They mostly provide labor (euphemistically called services) for US companies. Their mandate - from the American clients - is to get it done as cheaply as possible. If that means not hiring any US citizens who will demand a fair wage... these clients are perfectly OK with that.

Indians accuse American citizens of racism all the time

Yet, you ask us to give you the benefit of the doubt when your own engage in stuff that sure looks racist

"But to say that the managers - if ethnically Indian - are motivated by race considerations, you are wrong. They are looking for those who will work the cheapest. At this point, they are taking people of Indian origin"

"Indians accuse American citizens of racism all the time"

Hardly true.

"Yet, you ask us to give you the benefit of the doubt when your own engage in stuff that sure looks racist"

What do you mean - "your own"? I am a US citizen, though of Indian origin. So because some people (such as the managers you mention) happen to be Indian, and citizens of India, they become "my own"?

And what do you mean by "benefit of doubt"? I made an observation, backed up by a fact.

There is no one so deaf as one who will not hear, and none so blind as those who will not see.

Given your mindset, it is pointless to carry on this conversation.

Did you mouth off about Catholicism as the religion of peace during the troubles in Ireland?

Really, that crap is more appropriate over at that other board.

How many countries were the Catholics blowing up?

is partly because of the jammu-kashmir problem. the kashmir problem is complex and india is in some part responsible for this.

not saying that bombing people is ok (but by that standard as an american, aren't you being a hypocrite?) but that history is complex and not as simple as us vs.them.

has delt with it so much better than the USA did.

the responses to this thread really show what a fucking disgrace the level of discussion is at DU

so far comments have been limited to

(1) waah i'm american i'm more entitled to a livelihood than third worlders, why should i care if subhuman trash halfway around the world get blown up
(2) muslims are barbarians w/ no regard for human life

and then there was a smattering of reasonable responses of course

'political' forum?!

i know what you mean

i see a lot of chauvaism for India in this job advert, but not much empathy for American citizens looking for a job IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY

date of this ad is yesterday

"H1B Transfer (Approved / Expired H1B only) - Min 5+ yrs of Exp., 5-10 years exp, United States (USA) "
"Experience. Looking for candidates with approved / stamped / expired H1B Visa for USA only!"



http://all-h1b-jobs.blogspot.com/2008/05/h1b-transfer-approved-expired-h1b-only_5408.html

Senator Durbin, May 2007

"Some companies that abuse the H-1B visa program are so brazen, they say “no Americans need apply” in their job advertisements. Hundreds of such ads have been posted on line. They say things such as “H-1B visa holders only” or “we require candidates for H-1B from India.”

Is that what we have in mind, to create this perverse discrimination against American workers? That isn’t the way it was explained to me. Our H-1B reform bill would prohibit this blatant discriminatory practice."

http://blog.noslaves.com/senator-durbin-on-h-1b-abuse-outsourcing-and-trading-people-2/

no matter how much you try to twist it

indians are rubbing your face in your job losses

seems to me americans are rubbing your face in it by recruiting in india

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3307337&mesg_id=3307562

your accusations, and what you've tried to make out of this, are way, way out of line

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We did it, terror outfit brags in video
15 May 2008, 0038 hrs IST


JAIPUR/NEW DELHI: A little-known outfit, Indian Mujahideen , has claimed responsibility for carrying out the fatal blasts in Jaipur on Tuesday. And to buttress its claim, it sent video clips to the media of a cycle strapped with a bag that it claimed held the bomb. (Watch)

As cops groped for clues to crack the serial blasts in Jaipur, the mysterious video of a brand new cycle added a new twist to the investigations.

While such claims in the aftermath of a major terror attack are not uncommon and have even been used by the real culprits to throw the investigators off the trail, what lends credence to the claim in this instance is that terrorist groups used an identical email ID to announce the blasts in Uttar Pradesh in November 2006.

The video was sent to the media in the capital by Indian Mujahideen late on Wednesday evening. It mentioned the number — 129489 — etched on the frame of the cycle shown in the clip. The Mujahideen claimed that the cycle was the one that was used for the explosion at Kotwali near Choti Chaupad.

In the case of the UP blasts, the email was sent from an internet cafe in New Delhi’s Shakarpur locality half an hour before the explosives went off in Varanasi, Faizabad and Lucknow.

The ID used this time is marginally different.

While the ID used for claiming the UP blasts was "guru_alhindi@yahoo.fr", this time the ID is "guru_alhindi_jaipur@yahoo.co.uk". Tuesday’s mail came with three attachments of videos showing the cycles strapped with bags that apparently had the bombs.

The sensational development is sure to get the investigators focus more closely on the involvement of HuJI (Harkat-ul-Jehad-Al-Islami), a Deobandi outfit which has grown beyond its base in Bangaldesh to strike Indian cities at will. The UP blasts were engineered to punish lawyers who had thrashed the HuJI suspects arrested for earlier blasts in the state, and had vowed not to represent them during the trial.

The choice of the tag Indian Mujahideen also ties in with efforts to camouflage the foreign roots of jihadi terror and present it as a homegrown phenomenon.

Like in the earlier instance, Indian Mujahideen threatened an "open war against India" unless the country stopped supporting the US and UK on international issues.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/We_did_it_terror_outfit_brags_in_video/articleshow/3040912.cms

has to do with terrorist attacks.

Either way, this is a pretty big attack. Largest in some time. And I think it proves that Bush's war on terror was a joke and rewarded some of the main conspirators in the attack (the Pakistani government)with military aid. This is a government that has constantly funded this kind of terrorism.

I'm really hoping we will get a president that understands the true complexities of this fight against religious fanaticism. Obama dared go against the status quo when he mentioned the Pakistanis' poor cooperation with the fight against terrorism. John McCain obviously DOES NOT have a fucking clue what is happening - because he thinks Shia and Sunnis are the same (talk about fucking ignorant - makes him unqualified automatically). Hillary has the same Goddamn Iran-centric mindset as the neocons. Unfortunately, the people in this country might to be stupid to worry about what Obama's preacher said a few times than to get their heads out of their asses!