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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:28 AM
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Sen Kennedy hospitalized, possible stroke
Edited on Sat May-17-08 10:35 AM by Changenow
Source: CNN

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The seventy-six year old Senator was rushed to the hospital in Cape Cod with stroke symptoms. It has not been confirmed that he suffered a stroke, although sources say that he is supposed to be transferred to a hospital in Boston. That hospital will not confirm that the senator is there.

........

Local reports are that the Senator was medivaced to Mass General an hour ago. Mass General would typically deny the admission of a patient unless consent to publish the information has been given.


Read more: CNN.com
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:34 AM
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1. Oh no
Best wishes for him and his family. Hope it isn't serious.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:37 AM
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3. Whatever it is, it IS serious. He was in the ER for two hours before they moved him.
And they don't move 'em unless it is serious. Cape Cod Hospital isn't a tin shack in the woods. Mass General, of course, is the place to be for just about ANYTHING. They put him on the helo and moved him, so that suggests that it was something CCH didn't feel comfortable handling.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:51 AM
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6. Such a quick move suggests something serious
or he'd have been transferred by ambulance. Serious VIPs are stabilized at CCH and then moved up to Boston, where the big hospitals have better security, as well as more advanced tech.

Let's all hope he pulls through this. He has been a tireless fighter for us. His loss would be a terrible one.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:12 AM
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10. That's standard protocol in MA
Edited on Sat May-17-08 11:12 AM by Breeze54
MG is probably the best hospital in MA

Cape Cod Hospital is not a trauma center

They don't have the capabilities like Mass General
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:30 AM
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59. It is the best hospital in New England.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:51 AM
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89. No, it isn't. I've had several relatives go to CCH for varying illnesses, from heart attack TO
stroke, along with simple things like a broken arm, or childbirth, and it is NOT SOP to move them unless the condition cannot be managed locally.

CCH has one of the BUSIEST ERs in Massachusetts--eighty four thousand patients a year.

They have to--there's a MASSIVE influx of tourists during the summer.

TRAUMA is what they DO. Mass General, OTOH, does a lot of surgeries. He might have developed another artery blockage, causing that stroke.

http://www.capecodhealth.org/body.cfm?id=6

Cited five times in nine years as one of America's Top 100, Cape Cod Hospital is a 238 bed acute care hospital. Our Emergency Department is one of the busiest in Massachusetts, providing emergency services to 84,000 patients on an annual basis. We are a not-for-profit regional medical center with more than 1,700 employees and over 300 physicians on staff.

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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:57 AM
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97. I think nothingtoofear was talking about
Mass General?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:01 PM
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105. I wasn't responding to that poster.
Follow the thread. I was responding to BREEZE's assertions.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:48 PM
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178. " unless the condition cannot be managed locally. "
Set. Point.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:41 AM
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73. It is a bad sign that they haven't reported his condition.
Hope for the best, but be ready for bad news. When they don't report any condition, it usually means the staff is working out how to report bad news.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:52 AM
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91. Not really. The press release wheels grind slowly
at Mass. General and they don't grind at all at CCH. I worked both places, so I know.

Once his family gives permission, the hospital will release a one word status report. The family will be responsible for any detailed condition reports.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:52 AM
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92. I am watching NECN, the local cable news. They have someone there. Nothing yet. NT
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:57 AM
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98. Family members have released a statement... see my posts below....
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:55 AM
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95. That was my exact thought--especially today. If he were stable, it's an easy trip by ground.
Saturday, no work traffic, going toward the city...the Life Flight helo after two hours in the ER is worrisome.

I wondered about that blockage in his neck, if that's become problematic again.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:58 AM
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100. It is standard procedure for someone on his medical plan.
Go to the best... plus his doctors are at MGH.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:35 AM
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67. Moved in ONE hour by helo, CNN says
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:00 PM
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103. They ambulance came at around eight thirty. The helo came at around ten fifteen.
The compound is minutes from the hospital, and minutes from the fire department.

He had to have been in the ER at least an hour and a half, if they were slow about it.

    Hyannis fire responded to the compound after a call was made around 8:30 a.m. It's unclear what Kennedy's medical condition is, but after he spent almost two hours in the emergency room a decision was made to transfer him to Mass General Hospital in Boston.

    Kennedy, 76, was placed on a stretcher and wheeled out to the MedFlight helicopter around 10:15 a.m. where it took off from Barnstable Municipal Airport.

    http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080517/NEWS/80517001

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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:02 PM
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106. They arrived at his compound at 8:43... got to the hospital in Cape Cod at 8:50
as reported by EMTs. -CNN.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:06 PM
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111. Eight nineteen, the ambulance call came in. (It didn't take them a half hour to get to his house)
He was feeling ill.

Medflighted at quarter after ten.

He is still being evaluated. No additional information from family (save Cutter announcement) or hospital available yet.

Live on my TV, Scot Vount, NECN reporter.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:11 PM
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113. Sounds good.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:46 PM
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jeanruss Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:32 PM
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185. hyperbaric oxygen
I have read that if a person having a stroke is put in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber right away, they don't lose their faculties, as in speech and movement.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:05 PM
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:35 AM
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2. Could be his heart, too. He went first to Cape Cod Hospital, THEN to Mass General.
That's the routine for every Cape Cod major heart attack I've seen.

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080517/NEWS11/80517001


    HYANNIS -- U.S. Senator Edward M. Kennedy was rushed by ambulance to Cape Cod Hospital this morning after falling ill at the Kennedy compound in Hyannisport.

    Hyannis fire responded to the compound after a call was made around 8:30 a.m. It's unclear what Kennedy's medical condition is, but after he spent almost two hours in the emergency room a decision was made to transfer him to Mass General Hospital in Boston.

    Kennedy, 76, was placed on a stretcher and wheeled out to the MedFlight helicopter around 10:15 a.m. where it took off from Barnstable Municipal Airport.

    The Kennedy family is preparing to host the annual Best Buddies Challenge event in Hyannisport this afternoon, which is a fund-raiser for the organization. Best Buddies was founded by Anthony Kennedy Shriver and helps people with intellectual disabilities.

    Hundreds are expected to participate in the event, which kicked off this morning with a 100-mile bicycle ride...A concert at the Kennedy compound is scheduled for tonight.

    Kennedy has represented Massachusetts in the United States Senate for forty-three years.

    He was elected in 1962 to finish the final two years of the Senate term of his brother, Senator John F. Kennedy....Since then, Kennedy has been re-elected to seven full terms, and is now the second most senior member of the Senate.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:10 AM
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9. Mass General is the best... and that's SOP in MA
for anyone having a major trauma.

This is a sad day.... :cry:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:12 PM
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115. MA General is the best, but it isn't SOP unless it is very serious.
CCH can and does handle heart attacks and strokes every day, particularly if they're caught early and can be managed. I know, I've visited more than a few people there recovering from those illnesses.

They worked on him for over an hour before they said "We can't make this work" and pushed him up to Boston. It very well might be serious. I hope his intellect isn't impaired, and that they were able to thin his blood sufficiently to prevent too much physical compromise as well.

His father had a stroke in his later years. So did his mother. And neither of them had the "Honey Fitz" physique, which is an additional risk factor.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:16 PM
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118. Think of who Kennedy is though... where would you send him regardless..
Besides that's where his doctors, who know his medical history are.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:21 PM
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127. I would send him by ground ambulance if it wasn't 'scary.'
When the Life Flight takes off, Cape Cod Times wants to know why--it's a big stink.

It's an easy ride to Boston on the weekend--no traffic to speak of, a short haul under an hour. The Life Flight creates unneeded drama, if there isn't a serious condition.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:25 PM
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130. This is f*cking TED KENNEDY... why take a chance if something were to happen
Edited on Sat May-17-08 12:28 PM by nothingtoofear
They have him under eval. Therefore they are afraid something may happen... Get him to his doctors quickest would be my MO.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:34 PM
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139. You aren't talking about a HUGE time savings, here, and you ARE talking about
a lot of fuss and worry. Fuss and worry that does have political implications. And Ted is plainly aware of that.

If he were stable, and they were confident of his condition, an ambulance ride would be "no big deal." After all, they had to trundle him into an ambulance and haul his ass over to the Barnstable Airport. Then they had to haul him from the ambulance to the tarmac. And then they had to rotate and head for the city.

We're talking, by the time we're done here, a difference of under a half hour on a Saturday heading into Boston.

If he were well stablilized, that would have been the best course of action, because using the helo SCARES people. Including constituents. The decision was taken to use it because his condition was poorly controlled, is my guess.

Being perceived as "On Death's Door" doesn't benefit EMK. It's probably why Ted made a phone call as quick as he could reach a phone, so people wouldn't assume he was dying. We know two things from that--he's lucid and he can still speak.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #139
152. Turn on CNN... it was a seizure... he is fine...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:03 PM
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164. No, he's not fine. He's undergoing a battery of tests to determine the cause.
According to the family statement.

That makes the reason for the medflight clear. He probably WAS out like a light when they put him on the helo.

The Globe was correct, apparently--I'll bet they nailed it--he had TWO seizures.

If I were betting, I'd bet on this: http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/331/7528/1317

The good news, it can be managed.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:09 PM
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166. CNN reports one seizure... with affects towards one before getting medflighted.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:12 PM
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169. Globe said he had one in the air. NT
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:13 PM
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170. Yes, just saying that CNN says only one, that the first was only pre-affects
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:00 PM
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #115
180. "I know, I've visited more than a few..."
Edited on Sat May-17-08 01:53 PM by Breeze54
:eyes:

My sister is an ADMIN at Mass General and she CARES and is an RN-Masters!
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:42 AM
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4. DUP
Edited on Sat May-17-08 10:45 AM by nothingtoofear
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:45 AM
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5. Uh-oh
MSNBC has news on now, but not really saying what happened. "Undisclosed illness."
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:03 AM
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7. His father had a bad stroke that put him in a wheelchair.
This is sad.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:06 AM
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8. This doesn't look good.
Why is MSNBC doing this thing about the Kennedy's now with Russett? I so hope that they don't know something is worse than they are saying yet.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:15 AM
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11. $$$$$$$$$$
:grr:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:42 AM
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75. It's not a good sign that they haven't reported any condition.
That usually means there may be bad news.

Let's hope otherwise, but be ready to hear the worst.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:50 AM
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86. He was awake and lucid... speaking to doctors...
He also called a family member at 10ish canceling lunch plans... he was hospitalized some 2 hours earlier.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:02 PM
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107. Just heard, GREAT sign!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #75
121. He--TED--made a phone call from the hospital. Might not be as bad as it sounds.
He said he couldn't make it to the "Best Buddies" events today.

John Kerry is at MGH now.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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12. Ted Kennedy rushed to hospital
Edited on Sat May-17-08 10:39 AM by Bozita
Source: CNN

He was rushed from Hyannis to hospital on Cape Cod earlier this AM. He was suffering symptoms of a stroke. He will be transferred to Mass Gen.

Cnn 's website is only showng a large red banner with the headline. No written sources yet.

Kennedy was medevaced to Mass Gen between 9 and 10am local time.

Read more: http://us.cnn.com/
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. NO! That's horrible!
I hope he'll be alright.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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14. Just heard it.
I hope he's ok.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. ehhh
i hope he's going to be okay. strokes are very cruel.
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petersjo02 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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16. Teddy, we need you now
To see us through the next few months and get us going in Congress next year. God be with you, Teddy.
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ReformedChris Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #12
17. Talking Stroke On MSNBC.....Godspeed and best wishes to our legendary senator!
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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21. The clips MSNBC is showing are sort eerie - as if they are already showing a eulogy
But as much as I dislike Pat Buchanan, he is showing a lot of class with his respectful discussion of Ted Kennedy's career.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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50. Bullspit he is... bringing up past events... tactless.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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55. I'm a little skeeved out by MSNBC & Faux
because they are both conducting this as a eulogy.
Whoever the talking head is on Faux right now, they are discussing these last 8 years with Shrub in the office as Kennedy's "Twilight Years".

Umm, let's wait and see what happens before we put him in the ground?

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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #55
58. To make a MA reference...
Hopefully Kennedy's "twilight" = Clemens "twilight".
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #55
61. This is Fox we're talking about.
And, with few exceptions, MSNBC is the tabloid of network news outlets as well.

Face it: Many have been waiting for this moment for years. Ghouls.

Godspeed, Sen. Kennedy.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:38 AM
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70. He is UNDER EVALUATION AND LUCID.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:45 AM
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78. Yeah,,,I know. n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #21
63. Pat Buchanan...
is the last person in the world MSNBC should have on discussing anything about Senator Kennedy.
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. Prayers for Sen. Kennedy,
his family and the medical team
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #18
65. Already did. We need men and women like him.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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19. That sucks
nt
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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20. Godspeed. n/t
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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22. Oh no!!! n/t
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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23. Oh how terrible
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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24. Oh, NO! For Ted, I will resume praying...Absolutely...
Please let Ted recover quickly and fully! All my prayers are with him and his family.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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25. Praying for a quick recovery
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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26. LINK
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Bunkie0913 Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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36. I clicked your link to the Cape Cod article
Reading the comments posted below the article is scary! There are obviously some real haters posting horrible mean things. I'm sure they are all members of the religious right, the compassionate conservatives.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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51. So help me get them.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:37 AM
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68. Besides everything else, rw conservatives have no class. nt
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:34 AM
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64. If you enlarge the photo and look closely.....
Edited on Sat May-17-08 11:36 AM by tpsbmam
they appear to be using an ambu bag . NOT a good sign. An ambu bag is the thing that is used to help someone with difficulty breathing or who's stopped breathing. Damn!!!
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:45 AM
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77. I didn't see an ambu-bag.....I think it's something in the background
I can see how you might think he's being bagged, but if you look closer I think you'll see the thing that looks like a bag is a blury object in the background. If he was being bagged you'd see the hands of one of the medical personnel around it.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:51 AM
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88. He wasn't... he was lucid and made a phone call at 10ish.
FAMILY CONFIRMED.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:01 PM
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104. Two possibilities here....
Look, I'm not here to speculate -- I'd rather wait and see. But it certainly looks like an ambu bag in the photograph and (1) we don't always get the straight story in these situations and (2) strokes can and often do evolve over time.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:12 PM
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114. But they don't get better... he made the call afterwards I understand.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:16 PM
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117. Clarifying....
Strokes CAN appear mild at first and evolve over time so that they get worse. What might initially feel like a mild or mildly strange feeling at first can evolve into a full-blown, serious stroke. One can be relatively fully-functional at the onset of a stroke and be in very different shape an hour or 2 later.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:20 PM
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125. My point was that he was medflighted... then made a phone call later as I've heard it.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:23 PM
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129. We shall see over time. What's important is that he recovers. n/t
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:31 PM
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137. Yes indeed.
Truly... :patriot: if anyone is.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:59 AM
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101. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.....
but it's not in the background, it's lavender and in the area of his head/mouth and the guy wearing the blue coveralls on the left does have his hand on it.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:26 PM
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132. I saw the same thing and said so to my husband earlier
I'm not sure what the issue is, but it definitely looks like he's being bagged.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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27. oh no. i hope he recovers well. my best wishes to him and his family
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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28. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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29. crossing all four paws and praying for the best
Yr hmbl otr crspndnt is not normally the praying type of Otter, but am following this breaking news and sending beams his way bigtime. Ted Kennedy may have not always been flawless -- who among us has? -- but he has always been a leading light for progressives and good government and we here in Massachusetts put high value on his efforts on our behalf and on the behalf of our fellow citizens across the country. Here's hoping that the Goddess will make sure he returns safely to the loving arms of his family very soon.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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30. Speedy recovery Ted. nt
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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31. Bad for us, worse for Teddy, best wishes from a Bramaged friend
I just hope he is going to survive and with his facilities. He is our true leader on the Left. He's never taken prisoners when dealing with the Reichwing, and he needs to recover to see our victory in November.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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32. C'mon Teddy!! Don't do this now.. we still need you!!
:cry:

Damn!!
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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33. That's horrible.
:(
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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34. Hoping he makes a full recovery
Sending up prayers. :cry:



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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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35. C'mon, Teddy, get better and get crackin' - you've got an inauguration to go to in January!!
Prayers and best wishes going out to you in droves.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:51 AM
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87. You better believe it !...
...:7 Hang in there, Senator Kennedy.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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37. Terrible news
The Kennedys have always had a special place in my heart, and Teddy has been through so much in his life... Prayers and good thoughts going out to Teddy and his family.

:grouphug:
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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38. US Sen Edward Kennedy rushed to hospital
Source: Reuters/CNN

U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy, a leading Democrat and patriarch of a prominent American political dynasty, was hospitalized in Cape Cod, Massachusetts, with symptoms of a stroke, CNN reported on Saturday.

Kennedy, 76, was taken to the hospital early in the morning, CNN said, citing an unidentified prominent state party member

The source said Kennedy was to be transferred to Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN1746351920080517
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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39. Oh no....
Oh no!! Shit! Damn! Fuck!

:cry:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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40. best wishes and hopes for full recovery
This is very bad news for Democrats.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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41. I hope all is well for him.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #38
42. We need you, Senator Kennedy...
And you need to see our victory this fall!

My thoughts and prayers are with you...

Please, be well!
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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43. god speed, ted kennedy. my thoughts are with you. eom
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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44. Prayers and well wishes for Senator Kennedy
and his family.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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45. Terrible news. My favorite senator. Sure hope he's going to be okay.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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47. I just want Teddy to enjoy the fruits of a friendly administration!
If anybody deserves it, he does.

He's been fighting my fight for way too
long. I want him to have a chance to
win some.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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48. Ditto that! He's my favorite, too.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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46. He'd better pull through... He deserves to see us win in November. . n/t
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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49. LINK CNN
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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52. My best to Senator Kennedy
Prayers for a full recovery.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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53. Keeping Senator Kennedy in My Prayers
If positive thoughts, wishes and prayers mean anything he will be up and about in no time.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:25 AM
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54. Not good at all.
One of our last direct links to a much different era. One of the last great unapologetic new deal liberals.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:01 AM
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205. Updates just posted here:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:26 AM
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56. keeping Sen Kennedy
and his family in my thoughts.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:27 AM
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57. To anyone unfamiliar with Ted Kennedy...
Edited on Sat May-17-08 11:41 AM by nothingtoofear
The finest speaker I've ever seen...

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/tedkennedy1980dnc.htm

"As Democrats we recognize that each generation of Americans has a rendezvous with a different reality. The answers of one generation become the questions of the next generation. But there is a guiding star in the American firmament. It is as old as the revolutionary belief that all people are created equal, and as clear as the contemporary condition of Liberty City and the South Bronx. Again and again Democratic leaders have followed that star and they have given new meaning to the old values of liberty and justice for all.

We are the Party -- We are the Party of the New Freedom, the New Deal, and the New Frontier. We have always been the Party of hope. So this year let us offer new hope, new hope to an America uncertain about the present, but unsurpassed in its potential for the future."
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:32 AM
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60. There is a drug that can be given
Edited on Sat May-17-08 11:35 AM by madmax
to halt the effects of a stroke. My Mom had a stroke at 84 but, was not given the drug because the protocol requires the patient be under the age of 82. Thus, she was left with partial paralysis. I'm praying that being Sen. Kennedy they will over look his age and give him the damn shot!! If I had the choice between death and a shot and perhaps not surviving - I'd want the shot.

Get well Sen. Teddy!!!


Good information re: stroke http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/stroke/detail_stroke.htm#115531105
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #60
156. WHAT? Age discrimination in medication? What drug???
Do we have to LIE when we bring stroke patients to the ER, now?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #156
162. I believe the drug has adverse affects against those in weaker status.
Although I am not an expert.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:14 PM
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171. I know eighty five year olds who are stronger and fitter than people in their sixties and seventies.
If they base it on "patient frailty" fine....but if they base it purely on age, that sucks.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:33 AM
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62. I guess this is not news on the Drudge Report
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:35 AM
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66. Update... NEW... Official Statement.
Edited on Sat May-17-08 11:36 AM by nothingtoofear
Kennedy was removed from his home at 8:43AM, seven minutes later he arrived at 8:50AM at Cape Cod Hospital. He was feeling ill at home. Sent to MGH for EVALUATION -CNN. AP- Spokesperson says he is UNDER EVALUATION!

NO MENTION OF STROKE.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:38 AM
Original message
They said he was able to confer with his doctors before being transported....
I'm no doctor, but if you had a stroke, would you be able to do that?

Regardless, I wish him well.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:39 AM
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72. I can imagine not...
He was probably feeling dizzy or disoriented... very common perhaps if one has a bad cold or flu while on blood thinners as he is... That's just my guess and hope.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:18 PM
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122. Strokes don't always cause loss of speech...............sigh.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:56 PM
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160. CHANNEL 7 in Boston just stated that what he suffered was a SEIZURE, not a stroke.
As I've said elsewhere I am no doc, but that might leave one temporarily incommunicado.

Maybe he's got epilepsy? Elderly onset epilepsy isn't common, but it isn't apparently as rare as once thought.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/331/7528/1317
http://ageing.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/20/6/442

From the first link:


    Old age is the most common time in life to develop epilepsy.1 Making a secure diagnosis can be difficult, and piecing together an accurate picture of events may take some time. The clinical manifestations of seizures, the causes of epilepsy, and the psychosocial impact of the diagnosis can be different in older people than in younger ones. In addition, elderly people with epilepsy have two to three times higher mortality than the general population.w1 Age related physiological changes can affect the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of antiepileptic drugs. The situation is compounded by a paucity of good clinical studies.....
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:39 PM
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187. On the bright side..........
My Uncle had siezures for years until he died at the age of 95. They never could diagnose it. He was fine in between........normal life style, although I guess my Aunt took over the driving!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #187
188. It is more common than many realize, this late onset business.
And some have one, and then, never again. Others are put on meds. It could be a salt imbalance, it could be any one of a number of reasons.

A seizure, even two, is "good" news. Better than a stroke, anyway.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:38 AM
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69. Thanks!
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:39 AM
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71. Uncle Ted is a true hero fighting for the little people
Get well soon!
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:42 AM
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74. Hoping you recover soon Senator Kennedy
America needs you.

You and your family are in my thoughts :patriot:
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:44 AM
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76. CNN doing its usual bang-up job
"We're beginning to learn more about this Senate stalwart..."

Just where in the hell have these people been?

Now we have that old political sage Rick Sanchez sharing his wealth of poliical wisdom and insight... :puke:

And all Rick cares about is that the loss of Kennedy could cost the Dems money, since he is a huge fundraiser. What an asshole.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:45 AM
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79. I was about to say the same goddamned thing...
"As important as TK has been for the democrats... he has been for the republicans..."

Fucking asshole.


Excuse me.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:47 AM
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81. Nothing to excuse....
The outrage is justified. Every time something like this happens, they all prove just how uninformed and clueless they are.

Rick Sanchez leads the pack. Can't stand him. Thinks he knows it all when in fact he knows shit.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:49 AM
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85. Makes me feel better..............
I put my TV on pause for the summer to save $. I'm not missing anything but high blood pressure! The news is HERE!
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:05 PM
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109. Rick Sanchez bugs. n/t
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:46 AM
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80. LATEST BREAKING>>> Family source.... NEW
Edited on Sat May-17-08 11:48 AM by nothingtoofear
Senator HIMSELF called family member at 10ish.... well after being hospitalized... to cancel lunch plans. -CNN
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jrdement Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:48 AM
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82. He's being Ambu-bagged
In the Cape Cod Times photo, you can clearly see that the paramedic at the head of the bed is using an Ambu bag, which means he is intubated and not able to communicat... unfortunately, this is not a good sign at all.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:48 AM
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83. You're wrong... watch the news.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:49 AM
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84. CNN reported possibly good news
Edited on Sat May-17-08 11:49 AM by mvd
A reporter said that a source from the Kennedy family told him that Ted said he wouldn't be able to have lunch with the family member because he's in the hospital.
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jrdement Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:52 AM
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90. Uh, no, I'm NOT wrong, nor am I blind
Which was hours before he was transferred... look at the picture on the Cape Cod Times, he's being ambu-bagged... my eyes work fine, thank you.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:53 AM
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93. Hi - welcome to DU
You responded to the wrong post.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:55 AM
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94. Well news sources have already given confirmed reports saying otherwise.
He communicated to his doctors at MGH and called a family member just after 10am.
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jrdement Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:05 PM
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110. Look at the picture.
Look at the picture... the paramedic at the head of the bed is squeezing a pale blue "ambu" bag with one hand as he walks, which means it's attached to an endotracheal tube. I know what's being reported, but the picture doesn't lie... he's being bagged via an endotracheal tube, something I've done about 20,000 times during my 35 year career as a Respiratory Therapist working trauma rooms and LifeFlight.
I sincerely hope he's all right, but despite the newsmen's words, if that's Teddy in the picture, he's not talking to anyone.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:09 PM
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112. So you're saying that the family and all friends are LYING?
WHY WOULD THEY?
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:10 PM
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182. RT?? Yet you assume he's tubed and not being given NIPPV????
Edited on Sat May-17-08 02:14 PM by rainbow4321
Stop misleading/misinforming people. I don't know why you are leaving out
ALL the information about ambu bags, but you are.

NIPPV: non-invasive positive pressure ventilation .

(KEY part of the above phrase is ***NON-invasive***..i.e, NOTHING going INTO the body..including down the throat/ into the lungs)

Anytime ANYone is found to have a seizure an ambu bag is part of the protocol equipment to have nearby..and it does NOT automatically mean they are being intubated. Was he having any resp. problems at the time the pic was taken..no one knows except the first responders in the picture. And the word "problem" is NOT always synonymous with intubation.



http://keepbreathing.wordpress.com/2007/06/29/ems-and-cpap/


But in some cases, specifically a lot of respiratory cases, the Paramedics have limited options: intubate or give oxygen. This leaves out a crucial middle step that we often use in house, which is non-invasive positive pressure therapy such as CPAP or BiPAP.

The advantages to non-invasive positive pressure ventilation (NIPPV) or related modalities like CPAP and BiPAP is that they can effectively treat the patients pulmonary malfunctions without the risks of endotracheal intubation
<snip>

In conclusion, it’s my personal opinion that all ALS trucks should be equipped with CPAP. It’s a wonderful treatment for so many things: CHF, COPD exacerbations, and mild respiratory failure jump immediately into my mind. The fact is that CPAP can do all that plus keep patients off the tube, and sometimes that’s enough to save a life in itself.


-------------

As a NURSE for 17 years, I can tell I've held an ambu bag in my hand many a times and the patients were not always intubated.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:17 PM
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120. OK, I'm not alone.....
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:18 PM
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123. The documented facts say otherwise... of course maybe the picture isn't him.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:20 PM
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124. They're not "documented facts"
It was a statement that was issued -- that doesn't make what was said "documented facts." I agree with the poster -- I saw the ambu bag, too. See my post above:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3313574&mesg_id=3313682
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:21 PM
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126. Why would they lie?
Edited on Sat May-17-08 12:22 PM by nothingtoofear
Take my advice... when it comes to Boston news... look to the Globe they have much better sources than national media.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/05/ted_kennedy_sai.html
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:27 PM
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133. All the other poster and I are doing is reporting what we see in the picture.....
I worked in hospitals, including the ER, for many years before I retired. I've seen many people on ambu bags. What I see in the picture appears to be an ambu bag. I'm not relying on any news stations or newspapers to tell me what I see with my own eyes. It's possible that the other poster and I are wrong, but it's also possible that we're right.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #133
138. Perhaps it seems as such... but that they aren't using it... just keeping him there in case...
Edited on Sat May-17-08 12:32 PM by nothingtoofear
If it were them... I wouldn't leave anything to chance.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #138
143. Possible...and it could be that he's intubated as a precaution....
If they had reason to be concerned about his oxygen levels and about him losing his airway during the flight and if is was something like an evolving stroke, they'd have reason to intubate him even if they were later able to remove it later at the hospital.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:37 PM
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144. Here's to hoping.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #133
142. I saw the picture as well
and CNN just showed it but it was cropped. Hopefully we're wrong and it was something else.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:44 PM
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151. Apparently, the GLOBE reports were correct. Channel 7 in Boston just reported
that he had a SEIZURE, not a stroke. He may have been "out of it." Maybe he's developed epilepsy in his old age. I'm not a doctor, I have no idea, though.

The Globe said he had TWO of them.

Apparently, he was in good enough shape to use the phone himself to cancel attendance at a BEST BUDDIES (mental retardation benefit) event--today is the day for the bike race, the lunch and other festivities.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:57 AM
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96. The last of the four Kennedy boys............
it's too soon to lose you, Teddy! Hang in there.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:58 AM
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99. Boston Globe reporting that he had 2 seizures:
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:00 PM
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102. I don't know how much to trust this yet... they've got some basic times wrong.
Edited on Sat May-17-08 12:00 PM by nothingtoofear
That were verified by fire department and EMT's that were on call.


But this would be better than a stroke for certain.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #99
116. John Kerry just walked into Mass General. Ted Kennedy himself made a phone call FROM the hospital
telling someone that he won't be able to make the "Best Buddies" event today.


PER NECN. Moments ago.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:40 PM
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148. CNN is saying AP wire is saying the same
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:17 PM
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119. John Kerry is at MGH. -CNN
Edited on Sat May-17-08 12:17 PM by nothingtoofear
Statement to be made "soon". -CNN.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:22 PM
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128. Oh, shit, no.
This would be very, very bad. All best to Ted Kennedy. A lot. Yikers.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:26 PM
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131. Family history of stroke... RE: Joe Kennedy Sr.
Hope that it is not.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #131
140. Rose too.
And Ted isn't thin like they were. He looks more like Rose's father.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #140
141. Granted he will have the best medical care known to man.
And it's starting to look like he hasn't actually had a stroke... We'll see.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:28 PM
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134. NY Times: "Edward Moore Kennedy was the last of four sons and five daughters born to. . ."
WAS? I wish they hadn't just lifted that line from a pre-written obit.

The Old Lion has fought for liberal causes with passion all his life. We need him to go on.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:38 PM
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145. Link? nt
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:29 PM
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135. Best wishes Senator Kennedy. I hope it's much about nothing.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:29 PM
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136. "Family members 'guardedly optimistic'" -CNN
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #136
146. That's not good. That's not good at all.
"Guardedly?" Not even "Cautiously?"

Think I'll go watch the news now.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:39 PM
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147. BREAKING>>>>> CNN/AP TK had a seizure... expect full recovery.
Edited on Sat May-17-08 12:42 PM by nothingtoofear
Backs up earlier report by the Boston Globe. This would be good news I think.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/05/ted_kennedy_sai.html


"FAMILY EXPECTING A FULL RECOVERY" -FAMILY FRIEND REPORTS ON CNN.

Kennedy family: "Seizure... undergoing a battery of tests... resting comfortably..." -CNN
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #147
183. Thank God.
Prayers for a speedy recovery.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:40 PM
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149. CHANNEL 7 in Boston just stated that what he suffered was a SEIZURE, not a stroke. NT
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:44 PM
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150. Family Source.... RESTING COMFORTABLY.... FULL RECOVERY....
Edited on Sat May-17-08 12:46 PM by nothingtoofear
He had a seizure and is being tested at MGH for it's cause... resting comfortably... no new news until tests come back... 48hrs or so...

TEDDY IS FINE.



:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #150
157. Thank God
or Goddess.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:49 PM
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153. Can we can the speculation and just send on our best wishes?
Some of you guys are ghoulish enough to qualify as correspondents for Fox!
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #153
155. People are worried... and apparently he's fine now... crisis averted.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #155
172. Concern and worry are one thing - close analysis of screen captures to attempt to
read the label on an IV bag and determine a diagnosis are another......
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #172
173. LOL... don't underestimate how much MA'ers adore TK.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #173
177. Don't underestimate how much Democrats LOVE and ADORE Teddy
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #153
161. I wouldn't be surprised if it is elderly-onset epilepsy. Which can be managed.
"He is undergoing a battery of tests to determine the cause of that seizure." Per the press release just read on CH 7.

It's not like he drives himself anywhere, anyway. He'll just have to add a pill or two to his protocol and perhaps see the doc more often.

Elderly epilepsy link: http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/331/7528/1317

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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #161
167. A much better sign than a stroke.
Edited on Sat May-17-08 01:17 PM by nothingtoofear
Remission rates, by your link, at his age are up around 90%.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #161
186. A seizure makes sense
from what was reported earlier. After one has a seizure, it can take up to an hour or longer before their neurons settle down enough to allow one to think and speak.

I hope the tests give some indication for the seizures. In the 15+ years I have been having grand mals, I've never been given a cause/reason.

Hope you feel better very soon, Senator Kennedy!
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:49 PM
Response to Original message
154. Ok everyone breathe...
TK will pull through.
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:51 PM
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158. Come on Teddy!
We so need you! :hug:
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:53 PM
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159. K&R for Teddy Kennedy!
Edited on Sat May-17-08 01:05 PM by nothingtoofear
Everyone needs to realize what they almost lost.

The Liberal Lion will roar again.
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dhill926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #159
163. I hear ya....
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:05 PM
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165. Praying for Sen. Kennedy!
:scared: :cry:
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:12 PM
Response to Original message
168. So... still no statement from the White House... Just saying...
Edited on Sat May-17-08 01:13 PM by nothingtoofear
Obama, McCain, and HRC in that order have given statements. Obama had two statements... So Bushco... yup... still scum of the earth.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #168
179. BUSHCO

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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:40 PM
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174. Best wishes for a rapid, full recovery, Senator! You're a hero!
His full recovery will drive the rabid wingers mad.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:44 PM
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175. Get well, Senator Kennedy. America still needs your voice, your heart and your spirit.
Teddy is loved by our family. Get well, Teddy!
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:32 PM
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184. Prayers for him and his family
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:52 PM
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189. In a few years, his wife should run for the senate
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #189
191. Reggie has become such a rock in his life.
I still feel so sad for Joan. She's got through so much crap.

Stay strong Teddy!!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:27 PM
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190. Oh god NO!!
CNN is waiting for a statement at the hospital.

Teddy hang there big guy!!!

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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:35 PM
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192. My first vote for President was for Teddy.
In the California primary ... which he WON!!!

I had to reverse my mom's vote for Nixon in 1960 when she was pregnant with me.

I ask her if I kicked her when she voted. She now says 'You should have'.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:41 PM
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193. Get well soon
The country needs you.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:43 PM
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194. My thoughts and prayers
for a speedy recovery
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:07 PM
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195.  Sen. Kennedy is 'conscious, talking, joking with family,' spokeswoman says
Kennedy hospitalized after apparent seizure
76-year-old Democrat airlifted to hospital, undergoing tests and resting

BOSTON - Sen. Edward Kennedy, hospitalized after suffering a seizure at his home on Saturday, was "conscious, talking, joking with family," his spokesman said.

The 76-year-old Democrat, the lone surviving son in a famed political family, was undergoing tests at Massachusetts General Hospital to determine the cause of the seizure, spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said. He did not appear to have had a stroke as initially suspected.

"Senator Kennedy is resting comfortably, and it is unlikely we will know anything more for the next 48 hours," she said. Kennedy's wife, Victoria, his children and niece Caroline Kennedy were among those with him at the hospital.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24680994/
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:54 PM
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196. Thanks, high density! This
is Great News..Get Well, Senator Kennedy:) :patriot: :bounce: :kick: :party:
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:32 PM
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197. Thank You!
That is good news indeed:) :) :)
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:38 PM
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198. get better soon Senator Kennedy
:patriot:

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:34 PM
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199. Senator Kennedy Is Hospitalized After a Seizure (NYT)
By JOHN M. BRODER and JEFF ZELENY
Published: May 18, 2008

... A family spokeswoman said Saturday evening that Mr. Kennedy, 76, was “conscious, talking and joking with family” who had gathered at Massachusetts General Hospital ...

His office issued a statement on Saturday that said: “It appears that Senator Kennedy experienced a seizure this morning. He is undergoing a battery of tests at Massachusetts General Hospital to determine the cause of the seizure. Senator Kennedy is resting comfortably, and it is unlikely we will know anything more for the next 48 hours” ...

Mr. Kennedy’s primary care physician, Dr. Larry Ronan of Massachusetts General Hospital, also issued a statement on Saturday: “Senator Kennedy was admitted to Massachusetts General today after experiencing a seizure at his home. Preliminary tests have determined that he has not suffered a stroke and is not in any immediate danger. He’s resting comfortably, and watching the Red Sox game with his family. Over the next couple of days, Senator Kennedy will undergo further evaluation to determine the cause of the seizure, and a course of treatment will be determined at that time” ...

Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, speaking at the Nevada Democratic Convention in Reno, said he spoke to Mr. Kennedy’s wife on Saturday afternoon and was told that Mr. Kennedy’s condition was “not life-threatening, but serious” ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/washington/18kennedy.html?hp
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:07 PM
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200. How is he doing now?

I am praying for him and the family.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:57 PM
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202. He is doing fine.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:51 PM
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201. UPDATE: MSMBC
Kennedy hospitalized after seizure
76-year-old Democrat airlifted to hospital, undergoing tests and resting
The Associated Press
updated 7:06 p.m. ET May 17, 2008
BOSTON - Edward Kennedy's primary care physician said the senator is "not in any immediate danger" after suffering a seizure at his Cape Cod home Saturday.

Dr. Larry Ronan said preliminary tests showed the 76-year-old Massachusetts Democrat has not suffered a stroke. Ronan said Kennedy was resting comfortably and would undergo further evaluation to determine the cause of the seizure.

Kennedy was flown to Massachusetts General Hospital on Saturday morning after being taken by ambulance from his home to Cape Cod Hospital.

"Senator Kennedy is resting comfortably, and it is unlikely we will know anything more for the next 48 hours," his spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said.

Kennedy's wife, Victoria, his children and niece Caroline Kennedy were among those with him at the hospital.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, speaking at the Nevada Democratic Convention in Reno, said he spoke to Kennedy's wife Saturday afternoon and was told "his condition is not life-threatening, but serious."

"But the one thing I can say, if there ever was a fighter, anyone who stood for what we as Americans, we as Democrats, stand for, it's Ted Kennedy," Reid said.

Kennedy went to Cape Cod Hospital "after feeling ill at his home," Cutter said. After discussion with his doctors in Boston, Kennedy was taken to Massachusetts General.

Major neck artery blockage
In October, Kennedy had surgery to repair a nearly complete blockage in a major neck artery. The discovery was made during a routine examination of a decades-old back injury.

The hour-long procedure on his left carotid artery — a main supplier of blood to the face and brain — was performed at Massachusetts General. This type of operation is performed on more than 180,000 people a year to prevent a stroke.

The doctor who operated on Kennedy said at the time that surgery is reserved for those with more than 70 percent blockage, and Kennedy had "a very high-grade blockage."

Distinguishing between a seizure and TIA, often called a mini-stroke, can sometimes be difficult.

Seizures are little electrical storms in the brain. They tend to be brief; an occasional one can happen to anyone even without a prior history of seizures, especially if there has been some prior brain trauma.

A stroke is either ischemic — a clog in a blood vessel — or hemorrhagic, bleeding in the brain. Hemorrhagic ones are very rare. Kennedy had the carotid artery surgery to try to prevent the ischemic type.

A stroke kills brain tissue; how much depends on how big it is and how long it lasts. Some people show no lasting effects; others can be partly paralyzed on one side or somewhere in-between.

Democratic icon
Kennedy, the second-longest serving member of the Senate, was elected in 1962, filling out the term won by his brother, John F. Kennedy.

Kennedy is the lone surviving son in the famed family. His eldest brother, Joseph, was killed in a World War II airplane crash. President John Kennedy was assassinated in 1963 and his brother Robert was assassinated in 1968.

Kennedy is active for his age, maintaining an aggressive schedule on Capitol Hill and across Massachusetts.

He has been vocal in both his opposition to the Iraq war and support for Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama. He made several campaign appearances for the Illinois senator in February, and most recently another in April.

Always concerned about maintaining his health, Kennedy regularly consults with a battery of Massachusetts General doctors. It was during routine exams last year that doctors discovered the blockage in his carotid artery.

Still, he maintains homes in both Boston and Washington and attends not only official events, but numerous others recognizing his family's political history.

Just last week, he and his niece Caroline Kennedy awarded the annual "Profiles in Courage" award commemorating President Kennedy. And on Friday, he attended a ribbon cutting at the Bedford Whaling National Historical Park.

He was preparing to host the annual Best Buddies Challenge event on Saturday afternoon, a fundraiser for the Best Buddies organization founded by Anthony Kennedy Shriver that helps people with intellectual disabilities.


On Saturday, a Hyannis Fire Lt. Bill Rex said a 911 call came in from the Kennedy family compound at 8:19 a.m. A man was transported to Cape Cod Hospital and transferred by air at 10:10 a.m. from Barnstable Municipal Airport to Boston.

David Reilly, a spokesman for Cape Cod Hospital, confirmed Kennedy was brought to the hospital.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and his wife, Maria Shriver, Kennedy's niece, said they appreciated all the messages of care they had received for the senator.

"It's always a comfort to the family to know that Sen. Kennedy is in the prayers of millions," their statement said.

Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, who went to the hospital, New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Obama said were offering their prayers for his quick recovery.

Obama, beginning a tour of hospitals in Eugene, Ore., told reporters that he had been in touch with the senator's family. He said, "We are going to be rooting for him. I insist on being optimistic about how it's going to turn out."

A man walking by Massachusetts General was startled by the news when he asked about the reason for the large media presence. "Ted? Is he all right? Jeez, I'm taken aback. I just saw him on television yesterday," said Jerry Leonard, 76.

"He's a Kennedy. His name is synonymous with this area," the retired bartender said. "I'm a Bostonian, too, and he's done a lot for us around here and for the senior citizens in particular."


© 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24680994/page/2/
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:43 PM
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203. Thanks for the update ~ he is near and dear to the hearts
of so many.
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cindydivine Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 05:40 AM
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207. Just checking in...
Are there any new updates that anyone is aware of?
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:18 AM
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208. boston.com (Globe website) says he's resting at the hospital. nt
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:50 PM
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204. Horrible.
Incidents like this make me wish my god wasn't a clip-art icon, so I could actually pray to him.

We're all pulling for you Ted. My hopes and thoughts are with you.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 03:09 AM
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206. Radio silence from the bush administration. Not a single wish for his recovery.
Mafia.
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