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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:03 PM
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Protests at UC Berkeley law school graduation
Source: SF Chronicle

(05-17) 10:53 PDT BERKELEY -- Some 50 protesters, clad in orange jumpsuits and black hoods to emulate the infamous photos of prisoners in Iraq, picketed the Boalt Hall graduation today, demanding that UC Berkeley's law school fire Professor John Yoo for his reported authorship of the Bush administration's policies on torture.

"We want to see him fired and disbarred for being a war criminal," said Anne Weills, an Oakland attorney representing the National Lawyers Guild. "Academic freedom stops when you intend to harm or injure somebody" ...

Boalt Hall officials said earlier this week that Yoo would not be at the graduation ceremony today ...

"He definitely should be prosecuted, but he deserves his day in court like anyone else," said Reem Salahi of Los Angeles, who graduated from the law school today. "Some people think this protest takes away from a celebratory event, but I think it's a good opportunity to raise this issue" ...

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/17/BAOK10OF9L.DTL&tsp=1
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:05 PM
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1. Go, CAL!
:woohoo:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:06 PM
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2. I drove through that this morning. It was BEAUTIFUL!
I wished I could have stopped and joined them.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:08 PM
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3. Protesting political criminals and agendas... There's a retro movement I can support!
Great news. People standing up for what needs to be done!

:woohoo:

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:11 PM
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4. I have a problem with demanding a professor's dismissal due to his views
If Yoo broke the law in any way, then put him on trial, but he should not face dismissal until and only if he is convicted of a crime.

Tenure is meant to protect faculty with unpopular and nutball views.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:32 PM
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5. Yoo was an active participant in the criminal behavior of this administration.
As an academic, I agree with you about free speech in our universites. As a citizen, I know this man should be indicted.

If my government is too corrupt to make that indictment possible, I'm 100% behind the students that protest harboring corruption in an institution of learning.
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ToughLuck Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:00 PM
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7. Yoo should be indicted, but he has immunity from the Military Commission Act 2006
Hideous as it is, the only recourse may be that Yoo and the others do not have immunity outside the US. I can only hope that the MCA could be found unconstitutional, and Yoo could be tried. I may be wrong, but I thought Yoo actually received his tenure just before he left to work for Bush.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:03 PM
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8. The MCA will be found to be unconstitutional.
And I believe you are right about the date of his tenure.

I'm proud today that my school is protesting his criminal ass.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:35 PM
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13. who's gonna declare it unconstitutional?
Edited on Sat May-17-08 08:35 PM by xxqqqzme
Certainly not the current supreme court. It will have to be repealed.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:12 AM
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32. The next president can declare Yoo an illegal combatant.
Then he can be tried in a military tribunal and executed.

It would be necessary to strip him of his citizenship by executive fiat, but isn't that what the imperial presidency is all about?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:58 PM
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38. That's a good point. Our new working majority (crosses fingers)
can't do that. They can pass legislation to supersede it though, can't they?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:29 AM
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39. Can't take away rights after the fact
My ConLaw1 is a bit rusty but this is similar to ex post facto laws (but not on all fours) or more likely an illegal taking of a right.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:44 AM
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40. I just heard this morning from a lawyer for 40 people at Gitmo
that the US is flying between 40 and 60 people every day to black sites. STILL.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:57 PM
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6. OK, then: how about just stripping the mofo of his citizenship and deporting him?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:45 PM
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12. We are not talking about madcap, nutball professors here
We are talking about the criminally insane. If I lived and voted in Berkley, I would want the resignation of the man/woman who hired him as well and all who supported that decision. Good on these students who are rightly fighting for his deserved dismissal
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:43 PM
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14. So if his views were sexually harassing, that would be alright too.
The man is inappropriate and has no business being a law professor.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:44 PM
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20. self delete
Edited on Sat May-17-08 10:46 PM by Hekate
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:50 PM
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21. It would be interesting to see what other applicants were passed up for his position
and who was on the committee that hired him initially
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:02 PM
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23. I have a problem w/anyone that condones torture,
like you. Simply incredible to read this on a progressive board.


Bravo to all that protested!

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justinaforjustice Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:09 AM
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26. Not HIs Views, But His Actions Were Criminal and Unethical
When admitted to the Bar, Yoo took an oath to uphold the Constitution. Very likely he took the same oath upon his appointment to the Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel. His legal opinions, which have the effect of law within the Justice Department and which was relied upon by our government officials and employees, attempted to immunize government officials in the Justice Department and the military from liability for criminal violations of the U.S. Constitution, U.s. Criminal Code and international treaties,effectively purporting to legalize torture under presidential war powers. The Geneva Code, ratified by the U.S. and incorporated into U.S. law, states that there can be no justification of any kind for torture. Thus, Yoo was complicit in the crimes carried out as a result of his legal opinion and should be held to answer for them.

While tenure protects university professors from unjustified dismissal, it does not protect against just cause firings. For a law professor to conspire to violate the U.S. Constitution, U.S. Criminal Code and our international treaties could certainly be considered just cause for dismissal. Minimally, his failure to cite the key legal case bearing on presidential war powers in his legal opinions was gross dereliction of his legal duties. If intentional, the omission is violative of the Code of Professional Responsibility. In any case, the omission reflects on his fitness to teach law
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:29 PM
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34. Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't get to sign up for that clinical workshop with Dr. Mengele.
(I agree with you in general, but in this case I think we could make an exception. The guy advocates torture!)
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:27 PM
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9. As someone who attended Boalt for several years, (tho I don't have a JD), I wonder what ...
possesses a law school to hire torture-salesmen like that. I understand that it is honorable for a lawyer to defend unpleasant clients (like Charles Garry representing the People's Temple suicide cult) but here we really have a much deeper issue. Consider how many truly excellent lawyers there are out there would would give their eye teeth to teach at a school like Boalt, and they hire and keep Yoo on the faculty?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:48 AM
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30. It says in the article...
that he took a leave of absence to legalize torture.

Yoo, a tenured constitutional law professor at Boalt Hall, took a leave of absence from 2001 to 2003 to work for the U.S. Department of Justice. During that time, he wrote what critics call the "torture memos," which protesters say outlined the legal basis for the use of torture at the Abu Ghraib (Iraq) and Guantanamo Bay (Cuba) military prisons.
--------------------------
Yoo drafted an August 2002 memo, signed by his boss, former Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee, providing the legal basis to justify torture in interrogating terrorism suspects. Among other things, Yoo argued that habeas corpus and other legal protections don't apply to CIA detainees because Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib are not on U.S. soil.

Yoo's torture memo was later rescinded by the Department of Justice and, in 2004 and 2006, in two lawsuits challenging the legality of the torture policy, the U.S. Supreme Court voided many of Yoo's arguments.
--------------------------------------------------------

"In wartime ... attacking members of the enemy is not considered assassination or murder," he wrote in a Chronicle essay in September 2005. "Killing the enemy is legal in war."

He's also said he's unfazed by protests.

"I'm a conservative professor, so I'm used to people objecting to my views," Yoo said in a 2004 interview with The Chronicle.
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:09 PM
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10. Absolutley. Fire the idiot.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:31 PM
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11. Have been watching the news all day, switching channels
and have not seen any coverage of this. It is just wall to wall Hill covering entire hill stump speeches with passing glimpses of Obama.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:27 AM
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28. IT DOESN'T FIX THE FASCIST MEDIA'S PROGRAMMING GOALS
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:26 PM
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15. Yoo needs to be arrested & put in a maximum security prison for life.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:35 PM
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17. let's waterboard him to see if he experientially considers it torture
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:43 PM
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19. The liitle fat fuck would die on the board. Better to just lock his ass up.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:35 PM
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16. ah, I love the smell of student revolt in the morning
so....retro.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:41 PM
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18. pics, from SF Gate online








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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:57 PM
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24. Thanx!
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ToughLuck Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:14 AM
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31. Thank God for those protestors, way to go graduates!!!!!!!
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justinthebull Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:54 PM
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22. So this ghoul gets off scot free...
while Ward Churchill gets raked across the coals for expressing accurate, reality-based opinions that aren't approved by CorpGov. Nice.

I agree with the above; waterboard the flimwad until he chokes on his tongue.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:00 AM
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25. His freedom of speech must be protected.
So, pronounce it protected, and then string him up.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:25 AM
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27. SHAME ON YOOOOOO
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:44 AM
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29. No one deserves jail time more than YOO!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:42 PM
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35. He'd have to be disciplined by the Pennsylvania bar
If he were, I suspect that might be good cause for firing him from a tenured position.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:49 PM
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36. John Yoo Is At Berkeley? Wow.
I had no idea. Talk about corruption from within ...
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:52 PM
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37. He is a war criminal, and as a lawyer, held to a standard that he has utterly failed to reach.
As a lawyer myself, I say that John Yoo should be fired and disbarred.

We saw this same crap in the 1950s, when too many lawyers were enablers for McCarthy and too many others were enablers for the vicious racists who fought civil rights.

John Yoo should be in prison, but short of that, he should be fired and disbarred. Spare me the "niceties." As a lawyer, he is held to an ethical standard for protecting the Constitution that he has pissed on repeatedly.

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