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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 01:24 PM Original message |
Deadly night in San Fernando Valley: 2 killed, 8 hurt in 6 shootings |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. DAMN Villager! STAY safe- sounds like a gang war is heating up... |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. That's a good point, actually... |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. You know the cars I am talking about, right? The gang banger ride of choice. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Oh; It's the cars? |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Silly me, I thought it was the criminal gang bangers.......... |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. She's not blaming cars, she's describing the cars gangbangers in the valley drive and she's spot on. |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Thank you DG- I am so sick of ass holes making comments on shit that they have no |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Thank you! |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. Far too many "post without reading the thread" posters on DU these days. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
68. I was not responding to her post, I was responding to zanne. |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #15 |
38. And to you- piss off. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 04:26 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Well, I guess you showed me BeHereNow! |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
62. Obviously your reading comprehension skills are limited. Go back, read the thread again. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. You are awfully rude BeHereNow. |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. My apologies. I am really stressed out right now. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 04:28 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I understand, I get that way myself. |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #13 |
36. Piss off... |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
64. READ the thread before you reply, otherwise you look like and idiot. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. All is quiet in my neighborhood. Didn't even have any helicopters |
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Doug.Goodall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. Gun Pushers making guns easily available to anyone who wants a gun |
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Yavapai (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. You don't see this in my neck of the woods! |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Well we can look to Iraq for a perfect example |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. That's a bullshit comparison |
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Yavapai (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. Switzerland has a higher rate of gun possession than here |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Then obviously, we as a country aren't able to handle guns.... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. It looks like we as a country can't handle our insanely militaristic approach to drug prohibition. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. Evidence would suggest otherwise. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Do you have any clue what it takes to acquire a firearm legally in California? |
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Doug.Goodall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 06:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
40. Obviously the current laws are not enough |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. The horse has left the barn |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. What!!? Implicating guns in... gun crimes!? How dare you! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. 43,000 die in car crimes |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Your kid with a gun worries me more than my kid with a cell phone |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Oh hell. It's the car vs. gun argument again! |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. It beats those with the big holes |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Yeah... the old "car vs. gun argument" again... |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. No, apparently they don't. And "Bush logic" is the only kind allowed them by the NRA. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
50. No, actually... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
54. Bosnia post war, here is some bush loigic |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
53. Money and culture |
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mach2 (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Road rage murder...neither car or gun involved. Ban KNIVES! |
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Doug.Goodall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
41. Easy availability of guns in our society is not needed in our society |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
49. It would be much worse if they didn't require licences for cars. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. You have a licence for guns too |
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mach2 (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. When seconds count, the cops can be there in mere minutes. |
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Doug.Goodall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:10 AM Response to Reply #18 |
42. And a drunken gunowner can shoot his wife in a fit of rage in just a twinkle of an eye |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. or stab her 21 times |
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Doug.Goodall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I get your logic - because one method of murder is available, lets just have them all available |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Actually killing a person in a sub division or apartment |
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Doug.Goodall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. I'm not blaming guns, I'm blaming the easy access to guns by the criminals you just pointed out |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Ban them for anyone who reports less than 70K |
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Doug.Goodall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 06:18 AM Response to Reply #71 |
81. I wish people who get shot could defect bullets as easily as you deflect an argument |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Except California has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. That just goes to show that gun policy ought to be set on the national level |
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mach2 (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Well for sure it will cut down drive-by shootings... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. "Ever rising levels of violence"...nope. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Just wait til the economy tanks and see what happens to the stats |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. You can address criminal violence within the framework of respecting lawful gun ownership, OR |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Bottom line: easy access to firearms has condemned America to astonishing homicide rates |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Umm, the U.S. suicide rate is LOWER than that of most industrialized countries... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
59. Apples and Oranges- the typical jusifications |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Swiss and AU have many things in common, post geneva's numbers |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. The Swiss and the Aussies have very little in common |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. I was in sydney last month |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. No one said they were "the same" as MS-13, the Nortenos or Bloods et al. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. West side story vs drug money fueled wars |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 06:06 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Sorry, Switzerland is sui generis and can't be generalized |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Finland, etc |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. That sounds good and all, except... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. "how many people own firearms in America.: |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #55 |
70. That depends on what you think the "solution" is. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. I hope I didn't imply that I thought America had (or would accept) any workable solution |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. You in OZ? the land of V8 obsession |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 06:12 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. The word would be |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. chavs , hoons |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. The problem is... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 06:31 AM Response to Reply #76 |
82. You keep on rationalizing |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. If "rationalizing" is defined as... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Clever strategy when he proves you wrong with facts change the subject. |
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Doug.Goodall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 07:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
43. Guns are manufactured, guns are sold, guns find their way into the hands of criminals |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Another "blame the victim" advocate |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
21. That's nothing, check out the stats for your average Saturday in Detroit. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
32. The gangs in North Hollywood have gotten steadily worse over the past 10 years |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
34. Funny that sandnsea and varkam aren't here complaining about this anecdote. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
45. There's a power struggle among the gangs that control the drug trade |
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bluereality (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
86. Sad |
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