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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:17 PM
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Gitmo Admiral: Detainees pretty much live in a fraternity house
Source: Raw Story

Detainees released from the prison at Guantanamo Bay have complained about inhumane conditions there, but according to the admiral in charge, their living situation is "pretty much" like that in a fraternity house.

Rear Admiral Mark Buzby, who is completing a one-year assignment as the commander of the Joint Task Force Guantanamo recently held a conference call with defense bloggers to discuss the treatment of detainees.

"We're all about the safe and humane care and custody of detained enemy combatants," Buzby began. "We do that safely and we also do it ethically and transparently, and, of course, in strict accordance with the law." He added that Guantanamo is "very much different than what it's portrayed, typically, you know, in popular culture. ... The greatest compliment that I get from visitors is, 'Gosh, I never realized it was so different.'"

Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Guantanamo_commander_Were_all_about_safe_0521.html



FBI Created "War Crimes File" On Bushco's Torture Regime

WASHINGTON — In 2002, as evidence of prisoner mistreatment at Guantánamo Bay began to mount, Federal Bureau of Investigation agents at the base created a "war crimes file" to document accusations against American military personnel, but were eventually ordered to close down the file, a Justice Department report revealed Tuesday.

More senior officials, including Spike Bowman, who was then the head of the national security law unit at the F.B.I., tried to sound the alarm as well.

“Beyond any doubt, what they are doing (and I don’t know the extent of it) would be unlawful were these enemy prisoners of war,” Mr. Bowman wrote in an e-mail message to top F.B.I. officials in July 2003.

Many of the abuses the report describes have previously been disclosed, but it was not known that F.B.I. agents had gone so far as to document accusations of abuse in a “war crimes file” at Guantánamo. The report does not say how many incidents were included in the file after it was started in 2002, but the “war crimes” label showed just how seriously F.B.I. agents took the accusations. Sometime in 2003, however, an F.B.I. official ordered the file closed because “investigating detainee allegations of abuse was not the F.B.I.’s mission,” the report said.

REPORT HERE:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/washington/20...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/21/washington/21detain.h...
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:18 PM
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1. frat house, hazing...hey...all fun and games guys!!
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:20 PM
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2. I don't see a lot of folks lining up to plegde....
Maybe Bush will after his term....we can only hope.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:21 PM
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3. Well, that would explain the "fraternity-like hazing" they were subjected to. (graphic)









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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:22 PM
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4. Yeah -- skull and bones -- that's the ticket
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:23 PM
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5. Except it is "Hell Week" everyday...
And hazing is replaced with full blown torture...and the brothers can never leave.

So yeah it is just like a Frat house minus the sex, booze and freedom...
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:17 PM
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17. Hey, when do we graduate?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:31 PM
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6. I shudder to wonder what kind of fraternity this man was in. nt
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:33 PM
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7. Mark Buzby should be ashamed to wear
the uniform of the U.S. Military. :puke:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:52 PM
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13. Clearly the U.S. military isn't ashamed of Buzby
So it seems he's in a wholly appropriate uniform.
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:49 PM
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15. This retired military person doesn't appreciate him...
Buzby got where he is today the same way most officers do; sucking up to and fellating the egos of his superiors, plus a willingness to discard any ethical consideration as long as he "got the job done".

He's just trying to ensure that he gets his "shiny shiny" chest candy at his going away ceremony.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:34 PM
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8. JUST when ya think they really can't hit lower on the offensive scale...
they do.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:45 PM
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9. Is that the "we're the good guys" version of history?
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:46 PM
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10. I wonder how many frat pranks
include forced feedings with a nasal gastric tube shoved up one's nose? The detainees practicing asymmetrical warfare by committing suicide, they must have been loving the frat environment. And was I dreaming or did I read accounts of a detainee with a gangrenous little finger who went to surgery to have it amputated and returned with only his thumbs left? Or the man who needed a dental extraction returning to find ALL his teeth pulled? Or the man whose legs were frozen during submersion into freezing water, crawling abound in his cell with pus-y/bloody/filthy dressings on his stumps? Or the soldier from the Guard who was beaten senseless during a training exercise? This Regime has a lot to pay for. I pray if there is a God, that either Karma or the law makes them accountable.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:50 PM
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11. everyone knows how much devout wahhabist muslims love keggers
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:51 PM
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12. Guy must do a helluva lot of hard drinking to have developed such keen mental skills.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 02:52 PM by Judi Lynn
http://cache.daylife.com.nyud.net:8090/imageserve/08lT4cqfVJfp6/610x.jpg


Maybe he needs to dry out before doing a lot of public interviews.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:10 PM
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14. He reminds me of Jack Nicholson's character in "A Few Good Men"
Outspoken, a little bit corrupt, not adverse to institutionalized beatings...even the facial expression is similar.

This statement rates right up there with the claim, fairly early in this nightmare, that the Gitmo detainees had it so good because they got chicken Kiev and rice pilaf for dinner. Maybe they got it THAT night...but yeah, if the government ever came clean about the atrocities they're perpetrating in our names, people would be outside the White House gates with pitchforks and torches.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:15 PM
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16. And we can't give up on our Gitmo fraternity house! Did the U.S. give up ...
when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?

Sounds to me that some admiral has had a few too many lost weekends at his fraternity-house digs in Gitmo.
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