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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:25 AM
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Methodist ministers launch campaign to stop Bush library
Source: AP

FORT WORTH, TEXAS (AP) -- Some ministers will use a PR campaign to try to stop George W. Bush's presidential library from being built at Southern Methodist University.

Opponents have hired a Maine public relations firm to design ads for Methodist publications.

The Reverend Andrew Weaver of Brooklyn, New York, says the goal is informing people about the center's partisan think tank.

Weaver says some Methodists believe Bush policies -- like the war with Iraq and torturing foreign prisoners -- conflict with church teachings.

Critics are launching the campaign before July's meeting of the United Methodist Church's South Central Jurisdiction, which owns the land for the Bush complex.

Read more: http://www.wfxl.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=137480
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:29 AM
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1. "Bush Library" is such an Oxymoron
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:29 AM
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2. Good. EVERY religious denomination should believe "torture conflicts with church teachings."
It's a shame that only 'some' Methodists believe it, though.
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Bob Dobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:31 AM
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3. The United Methodist General Conference already voted against the "library".
Edited on Thu May-22-08 11:57 AM by Bob Dobbs
It's up to the South Central Jurisdiction, the land owners, to hold the line.

To allow bushler to hide his crimes against humanity behind the UMC is apostasy. I pray the UMCSCJ has the courage of the national organization to stand against this evil.
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:32 PM
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18. yep General Conference voted to pass this to the Jurisdiction 880 to 20
it is a Jurisdictional issue.

I signed the petition and I didn't even go to SMU ( I did go to another UMC College though)

Laura is an SMU grad. Texas Tech was also under consideration, and also Baylor

Perkins Divinity School at SMU is the primary UMC seminary in the SC Jurisdiction, and many of the UMC ministers in the area received at least one degree there. It was the Perkins faculty along with a goodly number of retired and active UMC clergy that started the petition.

Makes me proud to be a Methodist
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:33 AM
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4. Love the Methodists. Good luck to them. nt
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:16 PM
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10. my mom would be proud of them. go methodists.
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predfan Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:41 AM
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5. Surely we Methodists can agree that just a little torture is OK.
Of course, we'll have to disregard every New Testament verse of the Bible , everything we've been taught. Ironically, many of us remember that the God we worship is so attuned to the suffering in the world that whenever a swallow falls God knows it. Wonder what he thinks of our fellow Methodist W?
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:02 PM
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8. Of course, you're right!
Just as long as we don't believe that everyone has the right to marry whomever he or she loves!

:sarcasm: - (just in case)
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:43 AM
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6. if they loose, they should
do like the clinton haters and start a "truth about george bush" library across the street.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:59 AM
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13. They'd probably actually get enough money to do it
unlike the Clinton haters library which died out due to lack of funds.
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Sundoggy Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:11 PM
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7. My sister is a very liberal Methodist minister...
Edited on Thu May-22-08 12:12 PM by Sundoggy
...and an extreme anti-Bushie... they do exist!

I am extremely proud of her, thought she doesn't get my atheism at all.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:20 PM
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9. Da Minister don't want his LIE-Bury
But he's gotta bury those LIES somewhere
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:17 PM
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11. Unless it has bars on the windows and incarcerates its subject, it is a colossal waste
of space and money, and an outrage against the American people.

The university that creates a library for Bush's massively shredded archives and 'disappeared' emails, and "My Pet Goat," will be disgraced. Study of the Bush Junta is certainly appropriate, and must be done, so that it NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. But a House of Bush Worship and a fascist thunk tank?! That would be an outrage against the very idea of a university--not to mention a nail in Jesus' cross. It will be a monument to Christian HYPOCRISY!

I'm so glad Methodists are fighting it. They are so right. This is an assault on the integrity of both their religion and on the purpose of a university. No one in history has ever done as much damage to the Christian religion, with the possible exceptions of the Popes who instigated the Crusades and the Inquisition. And no one in American history has ever done so much damage to education, science and the liberal arts. Bush is the worst president ever--and one of the worst world leaders, ever--on ANY issue you could name, from shredding the Constitution, and the Geneva Conventions, and the UN Charter, to impoverishing the poor and middle class to make the rich richer, to slaughtering 1.2 million innocent people to get their oil. He has violated every principle of democracy AND of the Christian religion. The George W. "hate thine enemy" Bush Library will live in infamy, wherever it is housed. He belongs in a federal prison, and his papers belong in the offices of the next Attorney General of the United States, John Edwards.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:29 PM
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12. Wow, they've hired a PR firm.
They're serious.

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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:01 AM
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14. George W Bush's library burns
Evening joke: George W Bush's library burns

Crawford, Texas - A tragic fire on Saturday destroyed the personal library of President George W. Bush. Both of his books were lost. A presidential spokesman said the President was devastated, as he had not finished coloring the second one.

http://www.iflipflop.com/2004/10/evening-joke-george-w-bushs-library.html

I'd heard this one quite awhile ago but I thought it fit here.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:39 AM
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15. Another Bush library joke

Bush Presidential Library

There's a show on C-SPAN about presidential libraries. Heres what the draft plans for the George W. Bush Library now call for:

The Alberto Gonzales Room - Where you can't remember any of the exhibits.

The Hurricane Katrina Room - It's still under construction.

The Texas Air National Guard Room - Where you don't have to even show up.

The Walter Reed Hospital Room - Where they don't let you in.

The Guantanamo Bay Room - Where they don't let you out.

The Weapons of Mass Destruction Room - Nobody has been able to find it.

The War in Iraq Room - After you complete your first tour, they can force you to go back for your second and third and fourth and fifth tours.

The K-Street Project Gift Shop - Where you can buy an election, or, if no one cares, steal one.

The Men's Room - Where you could meet a Republican Senator (or two).

To be fair, the President has done some good things, and so the museum will have an electron microscope to help you locate them.

When asked, President Bush said that he didn't care so much about the individual exhibits as long as his museum was better than his father'
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes/bljoke-bush-library.htm
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:05 PM
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16. I am with the UMC on this one, but not just for Bush policy reasons
It should be in Austin, the state capitol where he served as Governor, prior to becoming president. Like Clinton's in Little Rock-this is because neither Bush nor Clinton attended college in the state they served as Governor in. If not in Austin, then somewhere near Crawford, where he lives. It should be in a place that the president has a tie to.

Ford has a library at UM, but he went to college there and played football there. His museum is in Grand Rapids, his hometown. Reagan's museum is in the part of California he lived in. Washington, Jefferson and Madison all had their homes turned into museums.

I just like for tributes to be placed where there is a local tie to that person or cause. I have yet to figure out why Cleveland got the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame-I can think of at least 4 cities that have more historical claims. New York, LA, Memphis and Detroit all have clearer claims to the home of rock than Cleveland.
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buckrogers1965 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:12 PM
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17. How evil do you have to be to have methodists mad at you?
They get along with everyone.

I mean really, when was the last time you ever met a radical methodist?

http://www.methodist.org.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=opentoworld.content&cmid=1828

That link is to the "Countering Political Extremism" page on the UK website.

"Methodists, along with many Christians and people from other faith communities, have been very concerned by the growing presence of extremist parties in local elections and their threat to community cohesion. The Church has stated that racism, in all its forms, is a sin, and a denial of God's love for each of God's children."

I'm thinking it's the whole torturing Arabs thing that is pissing off the methodists.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:38 PM
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19. Even if there was a bush library.
The vast majority of the collection would consist of children's books. The rest would be unedited versions of "The Apprentice" by Scooter Libby and the steamy lesbian western book "Sisters" by Lynne Cheney. Oh yeah, let's not forget the crazy preacher section and if you donate an extra $1000, you'll have access to it's largely hidden gay porn collection geared towards manly conservatives. LOL
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