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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:33 PM
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Florida, Michigan get all delegates but each gets half vote
Source: CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Members of a Democratic rules committee voted on Saturday to seat all of Florida's and Michigan's delegation to the party's national convention and give their delegates a half vote each.

A first vote, which would have seated all of Florida's delegation with full voting privileges, failed.

After the results were announced, spectators started to boo and his and some started chanting, "Denver! Denver!" the site of the party's convention in August.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/31/dems.delegates/index.html
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:38 PM
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1. Does the popular vote stand?
That's the lynchpin of her phony argument after all.

Rp
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:51 PM
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5. I don't think they've gone there. Don't see how they could LET it stand in MI, but that's just me.
Anyway, it does make it essentially impossible for HRC to catch up in delegates.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:50 PM
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29. It has to, now doesn't it?
The rules committee doesn't concern itself with votes.

It concerns itself with delegates.

By saying that only 1/2 of the elected delegates count (whether as a group or individually), they've said there's an election with valid delegates. There's a penalty, but you can only do the math if you have valid delegates to do the math on.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:45 PM
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2. And who doesn't think the door is wide open for McCain
to fully exploit the situation in Michigan. Polls now show Michigan and Florida in McCain's camp. Its called a Pyhrric victory.
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King Bacon Fat Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:49 PM
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3. Wait a minute...
Weren't half of the Republican delegations from MI and FL stripped by the RNC for holding their primaries early?

Obama could throw that right back at McCain.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:50 PM
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4. He could
Edited on Sat May-31-08 06:51 PM by cyclezealot
but then the dem's don't have Mitt Romney . I am pretty sure Mitt and McCain will tour an auto factory the day Obama is nominated.
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OneBlueDotBama Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:58 PM
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8. The new Ford plant in Mexico maybe?
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 07:04 PM
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10. Lets play the November game plan./ Probably Mitt would remind
Michigan voters of the Obama staff member who called the Canadian Embassy too,saying its all talk, we really are for Nafta.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:38 PM
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15. Of course, the Canadian government itself stated that never happened.
NT!
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:44 PM
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25. actually stated it was the hillary campaign...
but you dont get the NEWS in the USofA
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 07:41 PM
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11. Obviously. It's About 2012 Now
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:32 PM
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:56 PM
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27. What could Clinton possibly do against the Repuke slime machine?
She's spent the past 3 months agreeing with it. Repukes could take half their ads from her own statements.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:51 PM
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6. How did they apportion the Michigan delegates?
Edited on Sat May-31-08 06:52 PM by Hardhead
I can't find a breakdown in that article. Did Clinton agree to the 69-59?
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:56 PM
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7. So they're going to apportion delegates to a state with
only one name on the ballot. How lovely - like living in Zimbabwe indeed, Hillary.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:46 PM
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16. No big deal. End result is that she still can't win and she
has to find something else to whine about because all voters are represented.

Yesterday, Obama needed 41 delegate votes to clinch the nomination; Clinton needed 244.

Today, Obama needs 64 votes; Clinton needs 240.5.

There are 291 delegates remaining.



All states are represented and she still cannot win.


Game over.
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meghandavid Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 07:01 PM
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9. Interesting...
I wonder how this will affect the campains?
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 07:48 PM
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12. So what happens to the uncommitted MI delegates?
Also, does this mean that Clinton gets delegates based on the percentage of votes for her in the MI election?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:25 PM
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13. percentrage? She was the only candidate on the ballot. It wasn't really an election.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:56 PM
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20. People voted for "uncommitted"
So the vote was 56% Clinton, 40% uncommitted/undecided. My question was: Did they apportion the "uncommitted/undecided" delegates to Obama & 56% to Clinton in proportion to the MI vote? Or did they apportion the delegates a different way?
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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:28 PM
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14. Time to move on ...
Now Hillary, be gracious and wish Obama all the success in the world ... it's time ... the math has been against you since EASTER ... enough already ... what can she possibly gain by continuing? ...
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tidy_bowl Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:47 PM
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17. What the Rules and Bylaws Committee has done is.....
.....declare Obama the winner themselves by disenfranchising the voters of Florida and Michigan, especially Michigan where Obama removed himself from the ballot and now is rewarded. After 2000 how can this stand? We cannot allow Obama to be SELECTED and NOT ELECTED, it is wrong, it is undemocratic.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:51 PM
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18. actually it was the voters of the 48 states that played by the rules that made Obama the winner...
tough noogies for you.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:52 PM
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19. I see you are using exactly the talking points you were told to repeat all over the web
Good fake outrage. Even using the exact suggested phrases.

Nicely done.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:12 PM
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21. Didn't the DNC "disenfranchise" these voters
As a penalty for the boneheaded moves by the state parties there? Didn't Obama remove himself from the ballot because it was understood by all parties, even Senator Clinton, that none of these delegates would be seated?

Isn't the DNC now "reenfranchising" these voters by seating these delegates? Exactly what some had been asking for? I suppose you want the status quo, wherein none of these delegates would be seated?

There's just no pleasing some people. :eyes:
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:19 PM
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22. Sure we can
The nomination process is a process of selection. That is followed by a process of ELECTION.

We "SELECT" a candidate for the "ELECTION".
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psquare Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:38 PM
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24. Hey Tidy - Obama wasn't declared the winner, you are seriously deluded.
The decision was supported 28-0, which included Ickes and all the other Clinton people.

So how is that disenfranchising Florida voters?

As for Michigan, the State Party f'ed up and they presented a compromise. It's obvious that Hillary wasn't going to get the lion's share of delegates after saying herself that the vote meant nothing.

Don't you think that if the result had been 55-40 in Obama's favor that the result would have been any different?

Get over it! We have an election to win in November.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:46 PM
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26. Total fucking LIE, of course - you emulate your failed candidate well.
NT!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:04 AM
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28. Once again, *plonk*
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