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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 02:46 AM
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Banks Won Concessions on Stress Tests
Source: Wall Street Journal

The Federal Reserve significantly scaled back the size of the capital hole facing some of the nation's biggest banks shortly before concluding its stress tests, following two weeks of intense bargaining.

At least half of the banks pushed back, according to people with direct knowledge of the process. Some argued the Fed was underestimating the banks' ability to cover anticipated losses with revenue growth and aggressive cost-cutting. Others urged regulators to give them more credit for pending transactions that would thicken their capital cushions.

The Fed ultimately accepted some of the banks' pleas, but rejected others. Shortly before the test results were unveiled Thursday, the capital shortfalls at some banks shrank, in some cases dramatically, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Fed's findings were less severe than some experts had been bracing for. A weeklong rally in bank stocks continued Friday, with the KBW Bank Stocks index surging 10%. Investors were especially relieved by the relatively small capital holes at regional banks. Shares of Fifth Third soared 59%, while Regions Financial Corp.'s $2.5 billion deficit led to a 25% leap in its stock.


Read more: http://www.wsj.com/article/SB124182311010302297.html



Wasn't this the kind of accounting by auditors and rating agencies that caused the problem in the first place -- investment houses pressuring for better looking numbers to con the public?
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 02:54 AM
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1. ...
Edited on Sat May-09-09 02:55 AM by sakabatou
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 08:31 AM
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6. Great collage - Thanx
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 03:05 AM
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2. wondering when it finally becomes time to pull the plug on these banks

dignity over life-support
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 03:11 AM
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3. Why did government officials negotiate with banks over their findings?
Imagine you're watching a football game and the referee stops the game to announce a preliminary penalty against a player. The proposed penalty is kept secret. He then invites the player to negotiate the final call, with help from his teammates and their coaching staff. The penalty is then assessed, but only if the referee can gain consensus with the player who committed the infraction.

Here it is, the invisible hand hard at work. Banks are not just self-regulating, they are self-rating.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:07 AM
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8. Don't you member what Durbin said the other day?
" The banks own Congress"

he actually said that.
He was statiing the obvious, but he did say it aloud.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:16 AM
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9. Yes, I did.
That was on my mind when I posted the previous message.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:03 AM
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11. + infinity "Banks won" seems to start a lot of headllines these days. On
the bright side, the market reacted well, but the market is still too volatile to be taken to heart.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:23 AM
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12. I agree on both points. n/t
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 12:28 PM
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14. When we applied for our first mortgage, the banker said,
"We'll get along just fine as soon as you realize that the bank always wins."
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 03:28 PM
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18. At that point I would have told them to shove it...
... and switched to a credit union.

I actually had a somewhat similar situation ~20 years ago. When I signed up for a mortgage with a bank, I was required to keep enough $ in an account at that bank to cover the automatic monthly withdrawal of the mortgage payments. I agreed to open a no-fee passbook savings account for that purpose. At the time I was paying 9.5% interest on the mortgage.

A couple of years later the bank decided to add a $1/month fee to passbook savings accounts. I refused to pay it. I pointed out that I had opened the account strictly for their convenience so they could auto-withdraw the mortgage payment, and that to add a fee after the fact would constitute a unilateral change in our agreement. I suggested that they either waive the fee in view of the circumstances, or I'd close the account and mail a check each month for the mortgage payment. I sent this in writing, of course. I always conduct business in writing when dealing with entities I don't trust. A snotty bank officer called my home and spoke to my wife (I was at work). She gave my wife a lecture and said that if I closed the account, they would never extend credit to us again. She was snotty and condescending.

Well, it just happened that a few years earlier we had launched upon an aggressive reduction in spending and we were building up a rather substantial savings. It also happened to be a time when mortgage rates had declined. We were paying more than the going rate, so the bank was making good money on our mortgage. When my wife told me what had occurred, I scraped together most of our savings, wrote a check to pay off the mortgage (there were 15 plus years remaining), and mailed it to the bank president with a letter telling them to take their loan and shove it (and why). The next day I received a call from that same snotty, now groveling, bank officer who was now full of apologies and practically begging me to reconsider. I didn't. All she got from me was a stern lecture so she was less likely to treat others like she treated my wife and I.

After that I switched everything to a credit union and never looked back.
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 05:56 AM
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4. so will we have yet another collapse in the industry if they continue the phony accounting?
How many more trillions will the govt. steal from taxpayers to support the "free-enterprise" banking system?
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 08:02 AM
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5. Review of the Stress Tests -- "Too Optimistic"
Edited on Sat May-09-09 08:07 AM by steven johnson
In the New York Times "Room for Debate" op-ed section, there are several comments on the Federal Reserve's bank stress test. It is no more reassuring than the Wall Street Journal's.

I'm still waiting for someone to blow sunshine up my skirt and tell me how great things are. These guys didn't.


Yves Smith, for example, says:

But the stress tests fell far short of the needed level of review. First, they were administered by the industry based on scenarios provided by the industry. Most observers found the “adverse” case to be too optimistic. Even worse, banks got to use their own risk models, the same ones that got them into trouble. And there was no independent verification of the quality of the accounting. The number of examiners per bank was well short of what you’d need to probe a single business, much less an entire firm.

Second, the industry got to negotiate the results. This is simply unheard of. That suggests both a lack of confidence in the process and a lack of belief on the part of the key actors (Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, in particular) that the government needs to set the parameters and demand compliance.

William K. Black said:

Bottom line: there were no real examinations. Banks continue to overstate asset quality. The bankers pressured Congress, which extorted the Financial Accounting Standards Board, which gutted the accounting rules on loss recognition. Because there were no real examinations, there were no real stress tests. So only one question is key: why does Treasury believe that anyone will believe its compound fiction?

Simon Johnson said:

The handling of the stress tests shows the administration prefers to adopt a “wait and see” policy toward banks. If the economy recovers, this will help the banks get back on their feet. If the economy doesn’t recover, more subsidies for banks will soon be in the mail.

Bert Ely said:

The stress tests have been harmful in two regards. First, the Treasury white paper describing the tests was so vague as to undermine the credibility of the tests. Consequently, the stress test results may lack credibility, too, especially if enough investors believe that they paint too rosy a picture of the financial condition of those banks seen as the most troubled.


An Insufficient Effort



Karl Denninger at iStockAnalysis seemed to echo my point of view:



The bottom line is that these "stress tests" are a joke and have been chock full of yet more violations of the law. Reg-FD is supposed to mandate that material information is released to everyone at the same time. But that of course isn't what has happened; there has been leak after leak after leak, some of them false. Will we see indictments? Of course not, given that most of the leaks are coming from the Treasury itself, and are being used as a means to pump up asset prices!

Testing The Panic Of Bank Insolvency


So can they really reinflate these bank bubbles and pull a scam on the public?
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 08:36 AM
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7. from "Sold Out - How Wall Street and Washington Betrayed America"
http://www.wallstreetwatch.org/reports/sold_out.pdf

The report, prepared by Essential Information and the Consumer Education Foundation, details step-by-step many of the events that led to the financial debacle. Here are the “highlights” of our economic downfall:

• Beginning in 1983 with the Reagan Administration, the U.S. government acquiesced in accounting rules adopted by the financial industry that allowed banks and other corporations to take money-losing assets off their balance sheets in order to hide them from investors and the public.

• Between 1998 and 2000, Congress and the Clinton Administration repeatedly blocked efforts to regulate Industry “financial derivatives” — including the mortgage-related credit default swaps that became the basis of trillions of dollars in speculation.

• In 1999, Congress repealed the Depression-era law that barred banks from offering investment and insurance services, and vice versa, enabling these firms to engage in speculation by investing money from checking and savings accounts into financial “derivatives” and other schemes understood by only a handful of individuals.

• Taking advantage of historically low interest rates in the early part of this decade, shady mortgage brokers and bankers began offering mortgages on egregious terms to purchasers who were not qualified. When these predatory lending practices were brought to the attention of federal agencies, they refused to take serious action. Worse, when states stepped into the vacuum by passing laws requiring protections against dirty loans, the Bush Administration went to court to invalidate those reforms, on the ground that the inaction of federal agencies superseded state laws.

• The financial industry’s friends in Congress made sure that those who speculate in mortgages would not be legally liable for fraud or other illegalities that occurred when the mortgage was made.

• Egged on by Wall Street, two government-sponsored corporations, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, started buying large numbers of subprime loans from private banks as well as packages of mortgages known as “mortgage-backed securities.”

• In 2004, the top cop on the Wall Street beat in Washington — the Securities and Exchange Commission — now operating under the radical deregulatory ideology of the
Bush Administration, authorized investment banks to decide for themselves how much money they were required to set aside as rainy day reserves.

Some firms then entered into $40 worth of speculative trading for every $1 they held.

• With the compensation of CEOs increasingly tied to the value of the firm’s total assets, a tidal wave of mergers and acquisitions in the financial world — 11,500 between 1980 and 2005 — led to the predominance of just a relative handful banks in the U.S. financial system.

Successive administrations failed to enforce antitrust laws to block these mergers. The result: less competition, higher fees and charges for consumers, and a financial system vulnerable to collapse if any single one of the banks ran into trouble.

• Investors and even government authorities relied on private “credit rating” firms to review corporate balance sheets and proposed investments and report to potential investors about their quality and safety.

But the credit rating companies had a grave conflict of interest: they are paid by the financial firms to issue the ratings. Not surprisingly, they gave the highest ratings to the investments issued by the firms that paid them, even as it became clear that the ratings were inflated and the companies were in precarious condition.

The financial lobby made sure that regulation of the credit ratings firms would not solve these problems.

None of these milestones on the road to economic ruin were kept secret. The dangers posed by unregulated, greed-driven financial speculation were readily apparent to any astute observer of the financial system. But few of those entrusted with the responsibility to police the marketplace were willing to do so. And as the report explains, those officials in government who dared to propose stronger protections for investors and consumers consistently met with hostility and defeat. The power of the Money Industry overcame all opposition, on a bipartisan basis.
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:50 AM
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10. same old smoke & mirrors (i.e. lying) to create another "bubble"
have you noticed all the coverage of "experts" saying the "worst" might be over, and the economy will "slowly" rebound? They're trying to create a bubble in the stock market based on false hope and confidence in the corrupt by banking/finance industry. Rather than take the losses they should, the oligarchs are hoping this will shift the psychology a bit, and the working class will start spending again.

Timmy has got to go, and the weakest banks should be nationalized, sooner rather than later, so that the shock to the stock market and the economy can pass and the real recovery can begin; when the govt. is running some of these banks, lending and credit to workers should flow more freely, and only then will those who still have a job start buying houses, cars, and other big ticket items. This will in turn create jobs for some of those now unemployed. Of course, bad bank shareholders would lose millions, and fatcat executives would lose their jobs, but this would begin to spread the sacrifices around more fairly...
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:44 AM
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13. Just more intentional misrepresentations. Do not do
Edited on Sat May-09-09 10:57 AM by WestSeattle2
business with commercial banks. I do all of my banking with BECU, they rock.

Because I don't trust the numbers released by banks, corporations, or ratings companies, I've totally stopped buying stocks. Instead, I'm using the funds that I usually devote to investments to pay off my house. Paying off the house is a sure thing, hoping that the thieves and liars on Wall Street and in Congress won't steal more of my investment dollars, is not the basis on which I will plan my retirement.

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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 12:38 PM
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15. Aggressive cost-cutting?
What does this mean? They cut the bonuses in half or they cut the number of employees in half and cut the dividends to the shareholders in half so they wouldn't have to cut the bonuses in half?
_______________________________________________________________________

"Wasn't this the kind of accounting by auditors and rating agencies that caused the problem in the first place -- investment houses pressuring for better looking numbers to con the public?"
________________________________________________________________________

You got it. The same "bookkeeping system" that Congress supposedly addressed after the collapse of Enron. But obviously didn't.

The same system the Bush administration was damned for supporting which raises the question of why some would praise the Obama administration for supporting.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 12:49 PM
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16. recommend. -- ok -- pushing? negotiating? unltimately accepting?
not one fuckin thing sounds right here.

what the fuck is going on?

why are the people responsible for collapsing the economy -- pushing, negotiating, etc?
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 12:54 PM
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17. Of course they did.

The banks own the government at this point - every branch.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 10:08 PM
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19. Yes, it was that kind of accounting.
However, the stress test couldn't use a worst-case scenario, simply because a worst-case is impossible. You see, the federal budget assumptions and political prognostications have already said there are 'green shoots' (or some such nonsense) showing in the economy, and the federal stimulus and bailout plans will absolutely, positively prevent the worst-case scenarios from ever happening.

Since such a thing is simply impossible, how can banks possibly be held to such a standard. After all, the federal government isn't holding itself to such a standard and it was responsible for the test. To do otherwise would prompt a question: If it's important for the banks to use more pessimistic assumptions because there's a very real risk that pessimism = realism, why don't the CBO and WH use similar kinds of assumptions?
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