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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 09:59 PM
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Coburn Gun Amendment Tacked Onto Credit Card Bill
Source: Rollcall

The Senate voted 67-29 to add a gun-rights provision to the consumer credit card bill on Tuesday, handing a victory to Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), who has employed a variety of procedural tools to advance the gun measure over the last two years.

The amendment would allow visitors to carry concealed weapons onto national park property by requiring those parks to follow state gun laws.

. . .

Noting the Senate’s heavy legislative schedule before the Memorial Day recess begins after next week, Reid urged Members Tuesday night to submit amendments so the chamber could move quickly on the credit card bill.

“We want Senators to be able to offer amendments to the bill. But we’d hope they’d be related to the bill,” Reid said.

While Coburn’s gun amendment won strong approval in the Senate, it is unclear whether it will emerge once House and Senate conferees convene to craft a final measure. The version passed by the House on April 30 does not include a gun amendment.

Read more: http://www.rollcall.com/news/34853-1.html




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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:01 PM
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1. WTF do guns have to do with credit cards?
Coburn is a freakin lunatic.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:05 PM
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2. It'll be stripped out in conference.
So Coburn will have to keep trying...
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 07:41 AM
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14. If it get's stripped out in commitee
Then the credit card bill will not get passed by the end of the month as Pres. Obama requested.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 08:34 AM
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16. Happens all the time - Dems as well as Repubs. nt
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:10 PM
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3. Just so long as Senator Coburn's office also follows state gun rules...
... and anyone can carry a gun into HIS place of work.

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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:31 PM
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4. Why can't they reject amendments that are not related to the bill?
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:37 PM
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5. Everybody does it
It is a standard tactic. Find a must-pass bill and fill it with what you want. It'll be law if it survives conference and that's a much better chance than getting it passed on its own.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 02:06 AM
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10. Right. It makes me wonder why people are so unaware that this is commonly done
by both Republicans and Democrats.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 07:57 AM
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15. The Senate can, but 67 Senators did not want to do so:
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:20 PM
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22. In the senate amendments don't have to be germane
In the house they have to be germane to the bill
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:32 PM
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23. They can - it takes 51 votes n/t
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 11:55 PM
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6. ah, so will the gun salivators keep following *state rules* when it doesn't suit
their noxious, caterwauling agenda?
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 01:28 AM
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9. Gun salivators?


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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 12:42 AM
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7. This is why I think presidents should have line-item vetos
It came up under Bush but we all were opposed to it - but honestly, I think it should be done.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 01:20 AM
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8. Reagan was begging for line-item veto power
I can see where they'd be useful, but after seeing how the earmark thing played out, I'm glad none of our republicant presidents had this power.
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:35 PM
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24. Regardless of the President?
What it really does is dramatically change the Congress - Executive balance of power, tipping heavily in favor of the President(s). Much easier to twist an arm when a member's pet project can be isolated and cut.
Probably not a bad idea.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:22 AM
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11. Line item veto from our President...
Bush would have used a line item veto to strike the consumer credit card part
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:08 AM
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12. Thankfully, it just makes the Republicans look stupid.
Everyone with half a brain will look at this and go, "WTF do guns have to do with credit cards?" This is not good news for Republicans.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:45 AM
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13. Well, the amendment makes sense.
After you've been screwed royally by the credit card companies, you might be inclined to head off to a national park and blow your brains out in a spectacularly beautiful place.
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toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 08:45 AM
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17. Why shouldn't we be allowed to carry guns in National Parks?
Who is going to protect you in a national park? The ratio of law enforcement to square miles has to be incredibly low.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 09:00 AM
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18. Maybe the credit card bill can be made better since Republicans will have a harder time voting
against it.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 10:03 AM
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19. Fine - then I'll support this gun amendment as long as there is ONE more amendment that does this:
1) Cap credit card interest rates to no more than prime plus 3% - right now, the banks are getting free money - and charging us illegal usury rates for their money.
2) Complete amnesty on all credit card debts (i.e., all debts are wiped clean)
3) Force credit report companies to disallow their use for anything except for financial use only (i.e., employers cannot run credit checks)
4) Repeal the Bankruptcy Act of 2006 (or whatever) - allow consumers declare bankruptcy as needed
5) Have over $150,000 PER family available for housing
6) Single payer health care for everyone, with funds seized by the US Government from Bush Family Evil Empire, Haliburton, KB&R, Blackwater, etc.
7) Pull the troops home immediately from Iraq, and cut the DoD budget by over 90% and re-channeled to education, infrastructure, economy, jobs, Social Security, etc.
8) 100% taxes for companies that does business in the United States that have outsourced jobs to third-world countries.

You get the idea.

Hawkeye-X
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:14 PM
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20. There is no overwhelming social need to prohibit citizens from exercising a pre-existing right
in national parks for self-defense.

An excellent amendment and I look forward to Obama signing it into law so he can honor his promise, "I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:19 PM
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21. Yeah, turn back Bernie Sanders' amendment to cap credit card interest rates
But hey, credit cards and guns in Nat'l Parks -- whoo hoo, we can get behind that.

Oh and by all means we HAVE to get out for our memorial day holiday.

I am so fucking sick of this "Democratic" congress.

I can only hope the House will get this idiocy stripped out in the conference committee.
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