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BlueJessamine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:19 AM
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Ridge blasts Obama over Guantanamo handling
Source: CNN

(CNN) — Former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge is taking President Obama to task over his handling of closing the detention center on Guantanamo Bay.

In his interview with CNN's John King on State of the Union Sunday, Ridge said Obama "doesn't have a plan" on how to relocate the current detainees, and suggested the president announced he was close the facility prematurely.

"Reaching conclusion that you can shut it down without determining the manner in which you were going to adjudicate those who should stay somewhere… How are we going to dispose of them?" he said.

"And at the end of the day, doesn't the world community have another problem? If you think we're going to be dealing with international terrorism in many forms for the next decade or two or three, aren't we going to encounter this again?" He continued. "Maybe not only in the United States, but elsewhere around the world? How are we going to deal with this?"

The comments come days after Obama delivered a high profile speech in Washington, during which he argued closing the facility at this time will ultimately enhance America's national security.


Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/24/ridge-blasts-obama-over-guantanamo-handling/
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:30 AM
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1. Who gives a fig what Tom Ridge thinks?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:01 AM
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6. Indeed, is he the best they could dig up? Where's Bobby Jindal? nty
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mulsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:48 AM
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2. Ridge- good at raising bogus terror alerts.
Another incompetent bush appointee who's view are of no importance. why does the media bother with tools like Ridge?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:55 AM
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4. Good at raising TERROR alerts FOR PURELY POLITICAL PURPOSES!!!
Not just raising it for legitimate reasons - whenever bush* got bad news that PROVED they were WRONG or CRIMINAL, it was PROVEN that ridge ARBITRARILY raised the level to try to provide a DISTRACTION from that news - EVERY FUCKING TIME!!!
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:53 AM
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3. Tom Ridge
knows what to kiss and when. Pucker up, pal.

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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:57 AM
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5. Ridge has no cred.
He's just joining the noise machine.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:06 AM
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7.  How are we going to dispose of them?" he said. Wow. "Dispose."
No problem, Tom. This problem has already been pondered and solved.


http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/ponary.html


A Sonderkommando (70 Jews from the Kailis Forced Labour Camp in Vilnius, and 10 Soviet POWs) had to exhume and burn the corpses, supervised by 80 heavily armed guards. A mobile ladder was used to stack the corpses in huge piles.

Yu. Farber, member of this Sonderkommando, described the horrible work:
"There was a technique for burning the corpses: on the edge of the pit was a small hearth, measuring 7 metres by 7 and built out of pine logs, a scaffold, one row of tree trunks stacked across other tree trunks, and in the middle was a chimney made from pine trunks. The first operation was to shovel the sand until a "Figur" (puppet) was uncovered; that is what the Germans ordered us to call the corpses.
The second operation was performed by the "hook-man", which is what they called the worker who extracted the bodies from the pit with an iron hook. The bodies lay close together. Two "hook-men", who were usually the strongest men from the work unit, would throw down a hook and pull out a corpse. In most cases the bodies came apart in pieces.
The third operation was done by carriers – the "Träger". They had to put a corpse on a stretcher, and the Germans made sure that they had a whole corpse on the stretcher, i.e. two legs, two arms, a head and torso.

The Germans kept a strict account of how many bodies had been removed. Our task was to burn 800 corpses a day; we worked from dawn until after dark. The "Träger" carried the bodies to the wooden hearth. There the figures were piled up in rows, one on top of the other. When one layer was stacked, spruce branches were put on top; a special worker, a "Haufenmeister", looked after the fuel and added dry logs to the fires.
When the logs and branches had been piled on, black fuel oil was poured all over them, then a second layer was piled on, then a third, etc. In this way, the pyramid would reach 4 metres in height, sometimes even higher. A pyramid was considered ready when it contained 3,500 corpses. It was thoroughly soaked with fuel oil not only from above, but also from the sides; the sides were covered with special dry logs, which were amply soaked with petrol, one or two thermite bombs were inserted, and the whole pyramid was set on fire…
A pyramid usually burned for 3 days. It had a characteristic short flame; thick, black, heavy smoke containing large flakes of black soot would rise up… A "Feuermeister" would stand nearby with a spade. He had to make sure that the fire did not die out.
After 3 days a heap of ashes would form, containing small bone fragments that had not burned through. The very old men and people who were physically feeble were used to tramp down the ashes. The burned bones were shoveled onto a huge iron sheet where they were crushed by the stampers so that not a single piece of bone would remain.

The next operation was to shovel the ground bones through a fine-mesh metal net. This operation had a double purpose. If nothing was left in the net, it meant that the bones had been well ground; and secondly, this process uncovered metal objects such as gold coins and other valuable items which had not burned.

One more operation should be mentioned. When a corpse was lifted out of the pit, a special worker inserted a metal hook in the corpse’s mouth, and if he discovered any gold crowns or bridges, he ripped them out and put them in a box…”
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:34 AM
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8. Coincides with NYT today saying GOP gaining traction on this. Guess fear, fear, NIMBYstill works.
Now McCain, previous GOP critical of Guatanamo, jumping on board as politics as usual.
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:14 AM
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9. Ridge? The Same Mr. Ridge who advice me to combat terrorism
with terrorism with duct tape and plastic? What a Joke! What a yellow fella!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:26 AM
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10. Fuschia alert!!!111!! When the media is quoting Ridge, you know two things for sure. One, the
Republicans are in search of spokespersons. And two, it is a very slow newsday.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 06:40 PM
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11. Don't you mean
he doesn't have a color scheme? Here's how we deal with it: we color the really, really bad guys hot pink and issue a flaming scarlet warning on them. We tattoo the just plain bad guys crimson and wrap them in duct tape. The ones who have been held for no reason at all, paint them blue and send them to live with Smurfette.
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