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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:17 AM
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The New Pentagon Papers
Incredible story in Salon about "how Defense Department extremists (the Office of Special Plans) suppressed information and twisted the truth to drive the country to war":

Excerpt:

"While this commandeering of a narrow segment of both intelligence production and American foreign policy matched closely with the well-published desires of the neoconservative wing of the Republican Party, many of us in the Pentagon, conservatives and liberals alike, felt that this agenda, whatever its flaws or merits, had never been openly presented to the American people. Instead, the public story line was a fear-peddling and confusing set of messages, designed to take Congress and the country into a war of executive choice, a war based on false pretenses, and a war one year later Americans do not really understand. That is why I have gone public with my account."

www.salon.com (needs registration or you can get a free pass for a day's reading.)
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JusticeForAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:24 AM
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1. Incredible?
No, very CREDIBLE.

The drips are becoming a torrent for them.

Great post GarySeven! Welcome to DU!
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:28 AM
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2. We have to get Karen on any show that'll interview her...
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 11:29 AM by alg0912
She's an eyewitness to the "crime against humanity" that is the OSP (and its retarded cousin - the White House Iraq Group).

Why isn't the Senate Intelligence committee interviewing her???

On edit: Welcome to DU, GarySeven! :hi:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:29 AM
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3. Welcome G-Seven
and thanks for the post. Hopefully, good folks will continue to publish without fear. Maybe we will kick his ass in November after all. Spread the word, near and far.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:32 AM
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4. Karen Kwiatkowski American Hero
God Bless her and keep her safe
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:44 AM
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5. Great Post! Welcome to DU
I was thinking that the difference form the original is that Bush was willing to be decieved.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:51 AM
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6. Thank you, GarySeven,...
,...this woman is remarkable!!!!

When will she be a witness in a public hearing by the WMD commission?

I sure hope it's soon,...or at least by the end of this summer.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:51 AM
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7. "The New Pentagon Papers" ....doncha Love It!
This is Great!

Thanks for posting and welcome to DU!

:toast:
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GoBlue Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 12:01 PM
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8. Wow
Can we hope that Kerry will pick up on this?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:24 PM
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22. He damned well BETTER!
If he ignores this, I defy anyone to provide a reasonable explanation as to why. I hope no one will need to defend that, because I'm hoping Kerry does the right thing and talks about this.

This is a cut-and-dried example of whistleblowing. Kerry needs to come out behind Karen Kwiatkowski and make her story so public that any attempt on the part of the BFEE to silence her would be too risky.

This would be a good step toward atoning for voting for the IWR.

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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 12:51 PM
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9. kick
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 12:53 PM
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10. Only 18 months too late to change the course of affairs
We've been talking about the OSP for fricking months.

The media lives in a self-imposed time warp
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WheresWaldo Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 12:54 PM
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11. KICK KICK
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:03 PM
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12. Hasn't this info been out for a while?
:shrug:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:04 PM
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13. This should be broadcast far and wide!
This is BIGGER than the original Pentagon Papers!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:17 PM
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14. Okay, I just finished reading every word
I'm speechless.

There are no words to decribe the way the American people were duped and continue to be duped.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:06 PM
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19. This is definitely worth reading.
I'm sure it's no surprise to most DUers how the rush to war was lovingly crafted by neo-con political appointees, but this article really gives us the necessary data to back up those claims with support.

Again, please read the article, and pass it along to any friends/neighbours/relatives you may have in the military.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 01:49 PM
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15. From the end of the article....
Karen is a true Patriot!


<snip>
Now we are told by our president and neoconservative mouthpieces that our sons and daughters, husbands and wives are in Iraq fighting for freedom, for liberty, for justice and American values. This cost is not borne by the children of Wolfowitz, Perle, Rumsfeld and Cheney. Bush's daughters do not pay this price. We are told that intelligence has failed America, and that President Bush is determined to get to the bottom of it. Yet not a single neoconservative appointee has lost his job, and no high official of principle in the administration has formally resigned because of this ill-planned and ill-conceived war and poorly implemented occupation of Iraq.

Will Americans hold U.S. policymakers accountable? Will we return to our roots as a republic, constrained and deliberate, respectful of others? My experience in the Pentagon leading up to the invasion and occupation of Iraq tells me, as Ben Franklin warned, we may have already failed. But if Americans at home are willing to fight -- tenaciously and courageously -- to preserve our republic, we might be able to keep it.


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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:34 PM
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16. Kick
I heard Kennedy mention her in his speech to the Council On Foreign Relations. I'm sure we'll be hearing more about her from the Senate.
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NoSunWithoutShadow Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:42 PM
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17. Here's another article, an interview with Karen and L.A. Weekly
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/13/news-cooper.php

I wish something would stick to this slimey misadministration.

:dem:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 03:56 PM
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18. Yup, that was posted here.
I printed it out and saved it,...and this one as well.

I would really, really, REALLY like to witness this real patriot being presented to the American people. I believe her testimony and the information it would convey would have an incredible impact upon our people. The people would have the knowledge necessary to make an informed decision and choice; and I am positively confident the people would choose to boot the criminals out of the executive branch!!!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:12 PM
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21. btt
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:48 PM
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25. ?
Ummmm,...sorry,...don't know what that means.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:36 PM
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23. Hi AnybodyButBush!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:10 PM
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20. A Recent Number Of 'Mother Jones', Mr. Seven, Carried This Material
Sourced to the same brave lady....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 04:38 PM
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24. CNN CROSSFIRE JUST PUT THIS ON!!!
:bounce:

:bounce:

:bounce:


Office of Special Plans is out in the open!!!

I hope the neocons are p*ssing all over themselves!!!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 05:11 PM
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26. Excellent News, Ma'am!
That liars shop needs to be rubbed in the people's face every day from now till Doomsday....

"The War Office keep three sets of figures: one to mis-lead the public, one to mis-lead the Government, and one to mis-lead themselves."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:29 PM
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27. Welcome!
Thanks for posting this :toast: An fyi: MoveOn members can get a free pass to the article if they access through an e-mail alert from moveon.org.

Again, GarySeven, welcome.

Jenn
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HighJinx Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:08 PM
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28. True patriot
Is she in physical danger having "outed" the Neo-Cons?

:kick:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:18 PM
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29. Ask Hackworth,...
,...he would probably have a good answer to your question. :D
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Athame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 01:15 AM
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30. Being out in the open and loud
is probably her best safety net. Like Scott Ritter, they can try to discredit and smear her, but she better stay safe. Hope she keeps those suicidal thoughts in check.
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