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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:14 PM
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Pope’s immunity to prosecution may be challenged in Britain
Source: The Raw Story

Protests are growing against Pope Benedict XVI's planned trip to Britain, where some lawyers question whether the Vatican's implicit statehood status should shield the pope from prosecution over sex crimes by pedophile priests.

More than 10,000 people have signed a petition on Downing Street's web site against the pope's 4-day visit to England and Scotland in September, which will cost U.K. taxpayers an estimated 15 million pounds ($22.5 million). The campaign has gained momentum as more Catholic sex abuse scandals have swept across Europe.

Although Benedict has not been accused of any crime, senior British lawyers are now examining whether the pope should have immunity as a head of state and whether he could be prosecuted under the principle of universal jurisdiction for an alleged systematic cover-up of sexual abuses by priests.

Universal jurisdiction — a concept in international law — allows judges to issue warrants for nearly any visitor accused of grievous crimes, no matter where they live. British judges have been more open to the concept than those in other countries.

Read more: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0404/popes-immunity-prosecution-challenged-britain/
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:15 PM
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1. :giggle:
I know, it's no laughing matter, but the thought of the Pope getting comeuppance makes me giggle. Sorry.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:18 PM
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2. It's reminiscent of when Bush was in office...
...and various countries abroad engaged in a low rumble about doing what wasn't getting done in his own backyard re: war crimes.

If the Pope is immune within the protective walls of the Vatican, he may want to reconsider his future status as a "world traveler."

:patriot:
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 06:32 AM
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19. Or Why Bill Clinton doesn't enter Serbia. Having already been
convicted in absentia of war crimes, he would just rot in jail pending appeal.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 06:41 AM
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20. I'm not familiar with this conviction and could not find it on a quick google.
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 07:39 AM by No Elephants
Got a link to a reliable source?

Clinton does a lot of traveling. It does not have to be to Serbia. After all, Adolph Eichmann was not captured in Israel.

ETA: Request for link w/drawn. Found it.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 11:31 PM
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12. he will find himself an untraveled person if he keeps this up.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:27 PM
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3. Last I heard the Vatican's sovereignty was a little more than "implicit"
Of course, if Britain decided to try something like that their last few prime ministers might start looking over their shoulders a bit more.
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Cleobulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:31 PM
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4. There's precedent for heads of state to be arrested, tried, and convicted in other countries.
Noriega, for example.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 08:30 PM
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6. I'm sure the UK is not about to send the SAS to fight it out with the Swiss Guard
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Cleobulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 02:33 PM
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27. Being serious for a minute, but why not? Covering up for Child Molestation is a much...
more serious crime than Drug Trafficking like what Noriega was arrested for.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 08:32 PM
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7. Not to forget we invaded a soverign nation to arrest Saddam.
Edited on Sun Apr-04-10 08:33 PM by Prisoner_Number_Six
It would appear there's more than ample precedent.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 11:57 AM
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25. because mass murder can be overlooked, but never sex crime.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 12:02 PM
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26. Difference is,..Noriega is not "The Great White Pope."
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 08:21 PM
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5. Will his lawyer tell him to wear a nice suit to court?
On the other hand, a Pope in full garb, testifying in a British court with their judge in full garb is interesting...on many levels.

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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 08:49 PM
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8. Prada's designing something just for him.
But seriously, I refuse to believe that nothing can be done to bring Church leaders to justice. I hope the Brits make it happen. I truly do.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 06:44 AM
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21. Exactly what I used to think about Bushco.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 08:54 PM
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9. Jean Genet's "the Balcony" comes to fruition! Time to put the nomenclature to the rule of law.
There is no spirit in this church bureaucracy that allows
pedophiles to have immunity. 
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 09:02 PM
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10. I would discourage the pope from visiting the UK by informing him
that the UK will not provide protection detail.
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hayrow Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 10:52 PM
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11. Pope Benny - More an apologist for NAMBLA than a leader for Jesus Christ
In this case, NAMBLA is not the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes.
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Phlem Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 11:56 PM
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13. +1
Nice.
-p
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 12:22 AM
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15. Ha, I like that. We should call him Pope Nambla. nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 12:22 AM
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14. Pope is right on the We Fool You tier of the Pyramid of Capitalism.
He's as protected as a high-ranking criminal can get.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/again_and_again/3502510318/sizes/o/
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 01:17 AM
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16. Bring back King Henry VIII and Queen Elizabeth I. Neither of them had much patience with Rome.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 02:04 AM
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17. I'd cheer.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 04:43 AM
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18. Good!
At this point I'd like to see the fucker in prison :mad::mad::mad:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 07:01 AM
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22. Is failing to report child molestation a crime everywhere? I know medical professionals
in the U.S. have a duty to report suspected child abuse of all kinds, but I don't think I have a legal duty to report it, if I suspect it. (I would report it, but that's irrelevant to my point.)

Anyone know offhand?

For priests, the disclosure typically comes during their own confession to another priest; and, historically, that has not had to be disclosed, even in a trial. It's something like the spousal privilege and the attorney-client privilege. Maybe that should change?


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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 08:39 AM
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23. Now Angela Merkel needs to get Holy-Roman-Emperor on his ass and invade the Vatican!
:evilgrin:
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 11:47 AM
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24. Britain does not prosecute the Catholic War Criminal, Tony Blair. Why would it prosecute the Pope?nt
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