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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 04:27 PM
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States Target Payday Lenders and Their High Rates
Source: AP

Struggling borrowers and a growing backlash against payday lending practices have prompted legislatures around the country to crack down on the practice.

In the most severe case, Arizona lawmakers are on the verge of shutting down the entire industry in the state....

Payday lenders say they are providing an important service, especially in a dreadful economy where people are short on cash. Detractors say the industry preys on desperate people with annual interest rates that routinely exceed 400 percent

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/04/08/us/AP-US-Payday-Loans-Backlash.html



Whatever happened to usury laws?

Ask the MOB of lobbyists, stupid
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 04:29 PM
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1. IMO they're legal loan sharks.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 05:00 PM
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4. +1 ... worse, because they have no shame

at least loan sharks know enough to keep in the shadows with some modicum of guilt

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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 05:04 PM
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5. If we still had the usury laws in place, banks could qualify as "legal" loan sharks as well n/t
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:47 PM
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9. So with this new law, we sill only have illegal loan sharks?
Is that better?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 04:33 PM
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2. Kicked and recommended..
Thanks for the thread, ShockediSay
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 04:53 PM
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3. They're just another version of the company store.
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thelordofhell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 06:12 PM
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6. I call bullshit on the 2nd paragraph
"In the most severe case, Arizona lawmakers are on the verge of shutting down the entire industry in the state."

It's just the opposite, the citizens voted to not renew the payday lender contracts, the AZ legislature is trying to end run the public by passing it anyway and keeping them in business.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 06:21 PM
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7. history of usury laws - obsolete after 1979
http://www.affil.org/consumer_rsc/usury2.php

What do Hammurabi, Plato, Charlemagne, Dante and Queens Mary and Elizabeth have in common? They all condemned, outlawed or regulated the charging of interest on loans. In fact, until the early 1900s interest rates in the United States were kept at or near 10%. And until 1979, loan laws provided some interest rate cap in every state. Then everything changed. Governments and banks put profits before people. And now the lending industry is spiraling out of control.

u·su·ry (yoo'zhe-ree) n.pl. u·su·ries

1. The practice of lending money and charging the borrower interest, especially at an exorbitant or illegally high rate. 2. An excessive or illegally high rate of interest charged on borrowed money. 3. Archaic. Interest charged or paid on a loan.
Old Testament
The Prophet Ezekiel includes usury in a list of “abominable things,” along with rape, murder, robbery and idolatry. Ezekiel 18:19-13.

Jews are forbidden to lend at interest to one another. Exodus 22:25; Deuteronomy 23:19-20, Leviticus 25:35-37.


1750 B.C.
The Code of Hammurabi regulates the interest that can be charged on a loan. Historical records indicate that many loans were made below the legal limit.


800-600 B.C.
Both Plato and Aristotle believed usury was immoral and unjust. The Greeks at first regulate interest, and then deregulate it. After deregulation, there was so much unregulated debt that Athenians were sold into slavery and threatened revolt.


443 B.C.
The Romans adopt the “Twelve Tables” and cap interest at 8 1/3%.


88 B.C.
The Roman usury rate is raised to 12%.


533 A.D.
The Roman “Code of Justinian” sets a graduated maximum interest rate that did not go over 8 1/3 % for loans to ordinary citizens. This law lasts until 1543 A.D.

7th century
The Quran 2:275-276 states: "...those you take usury will arise on the Day of Resurrection like someone tormented by Satan's touch. That is because they say 'Trade and usury are the same,' But God has allowed trade and forbidden usury. Whoever, on receiving God's warning, stops taking usury make keep his past gains -- God will be his judge -- but whoever goes back to usury will be an inhabitant of the Fire, therein to remain."



800 A.D.
Charlemagne outlaws interest throughout his empire.


11th century
In England, the taking of any interest at all is punishable by taking the usurer’s land and chattels.


Medieval Canon Law
Usury is punishable by ex-communication.


Medieval Roman Law
Usurer’s are fined 4X the amount taken, while robbery is penalized at twice the amount taken.


1306-1321
Dante pens “The Inferno,” in which he places usurers at the lowest ledge in the seventh circle of hell – lower than murderers.


1553-1558
During the reign of Queen Mary, English Parliament again disallows the collection of interest.


1570
During the Reign of Queen Elizabeth, interest rates in England are limited to under 10%. This law lasts until 1854.


1713
Adoption in England of the “Statue of Anne,” an Act to reduce interest rates.


Early 18th Century
American colonies adopt usury laws, setting the interest cap at 8%.


After 1776
All of the States in the Union adopt a general usury. Most states set the interest limit at 6%.


Early 1900s
A move to deregulation causes 11 states to eliminate their usury laws. Nine more states raise the usury cap to 10% or 12%. Banks are not making personal loans. “Salary Lenders” fill the need by “purchasing” a worker’s future wages in exchange for a high fee – equal to a lending rate of 10% - 33%.


1916
A Uniform Small Loan Law allows specially-licensed lenders to charge higher interest rates—up to 36%—in return for adhering to strict standards of lending.


1945-1979
All states adopt special loan laws that cap interest at higher than the general usury rate—at 36%—but cap it nevertheless.

1977 The federal government passes the “Community Reinvestment Act” (CRA) which requires banks to invest in their communities.


1978
The US Supreme Court decides that national banks may export the state interest rate law of their home state into any state where they do business. In response, South Dakota eliminates its interest rate caps. Several credit card issuing banks move to South Dakota and operate nationally with no interest rate cap.


1980
Congress preempts state interest rate controls on all first lien mortgages. This enables predatory mortgage lenders to make seemingly affordable loans, like adjustable rate and interest-only loans, that lead to foreclosure for many.


1994
Congress adopts the Home Ownership and Equity Protection Act of 1994, which provides some substantive protections to home mortgage borrowers with interest rates or points that are extraordinarily expensive, but sets no limits on what can be charged for these loans.


1994-2005
Many states and cities try to protect their citizens by adopting state statutes and local ordinances to curb predatory lending, but preemption claims by the federal government impede their efforts. Numerous bills are introduced in Congress to protect consumers in a wide range of transactions, including rent-to-own, credit cards, payday lending, and predatory mortgage lending, but none of these bills makes it to a hearing.

2001-2007 Predatory and mainly subprime lenders make home loans to people who cannot afford them, boosting their own profits in the short term. Many of these loans are packaged and sold to Wall Street.

2005 After extensive pressure from the industry, the federal government changes bankruptcy laws, making it harder for consumers to discharge debts and get a clean start in bankruptcy.


2006
Congress passes the “Talent Amendment” which to caps interest on loans made to active military personnel and their families at 36%, reacting to findings that high-cost payday lenders had been targeting the military.


2007
Foreclosure rates begin to increase dramatically as a result of predatory mortgage lending.

The launch of Americans for Fairness in Lending (AFFIL), a national multi-organization collaborative message and action campaign designed to raise public awareness and generate outrage about predatory lending.

2008 Unpaid mortgages cause mortgage-backed securities on Wall Street to continue to "go bad," triggering widespread economic downturn in both the United States and around the world. Some commercial and investment banks go bankrupt, and some are the object of government "bailouts."
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 03:51 PM
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22. LAUDABLE RESEARCH FIND IMO }Our Campaign meme}
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 03:55 PM by ShockediSay
THEY represent loan sharks, AND THEIR LOBBYISTS

{more than we do}
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:46 PM
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8. Fine, but now where desperate people get money?
Will the state of Arizona be providing them loans? Or will they just have to fend for themselves or use loan sharks?
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 06:44 AM
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14. How does lending money at exorbitant rates help
desperate people? Maybe they are desperate because they have put themselves in the revolving door of borrowing 60% of their next paycheck to live, paying back with their entire paycheck, then borrowing 60% of their next paycheck to get by?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 03:15 PM
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17. What do you think will happen if payday loans are prohibited?
Will banks start making loans to poor people with bad credit? Or will the void be filled by those who operate outside of the law?

What happens when you do not pay back a payday loan?

What happens when you do not pay back a loan from a loanshark?

Payday loans are a bad thing. But is the alternative any better?
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 03:27 PM
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18. Yes god damn it the alternative IS better
What part of getting fucked into a deep hole do you not understand? These places have ruined lives.

Better to go hungry and pay a bill late than to use these soulless greedy bastards.

BTW, most payday loan places make you sign a contract agreeing to incredible legal collection fees. I would rather get my kneecaps broke than owe somebody $1,000 for borrowing $100.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 03:38 PM
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19. Actually, There isn't a loan shark on every corner inticing
poor people to borrow with gigantic vegas style signs..at least where I live. I have been poor and have gotten by without borrowing to eat. As for cars, tote the note lots are quite common. What more does someone need to borrow money for? Additionally pawn shops have been around for centuries, they charge high rates but if you don't pay them, they simply keep your collateral.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:14 PM
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10. I can't believe someone on this thread is defending
those vile payday loan hyenas.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:26 PM
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11. Legalized slavery, as far as I am concerned.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:26 PM
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12. Do whatever it takes to get that cash call asshole off my TV!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:10 AM
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13. What's really happened is now the mainstream banks want this action.
Watch.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:42 AM
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15. Agree /nt
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Rapier09 Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:33 AM
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16. Look to the Banks instead
They're going nuts when it comes to lending money to people.
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 06:28 PM
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20. Is this to enrich the banks?
I read last week that banks are offering pay day loans, but call them something different. You don't suppose this action is to help them do you?
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 07:06 PM
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21. That's rich, states targeting payday loan shops while running state lotteries.
Plucking clean the rubes who can least afford it.

If there's a more regressive tax than state lotteries, I'm unaware of it.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 04:00 PM
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23. What happened to usury laws?
It's the Lobbyists, Stupid
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