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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:05 PM
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USA to forgive Pakistan's $460 million debt
Hmmm..all the media attention on Pakistan's search for Ayman Al-Zawahiri is making more sense now...

:eyes:


http://www.dawn.com/2004/03/19/top6.htm

ISLAMABAD, March 18: The United States would sign a formal agreement with Pakistan in April to write off its $460 million debt under the previously-agreed US financial assistance package.

This was agreed to here on Thursday during a meeting between US Under Secretary of State for Economic Affairs Alan Larson and Finance Minister Shaukat Aziz....

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:08 PM
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1. Sounds like blackmail to me.
n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 09:45 PM
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21. Musharraf made a hell of a deal
You gotta admire that guy's abilities , he out negotiated some true blue criminals on this deal

WOW
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freeforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:11 PM
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2. Talk about transparency!
I've seen a lot of discussion on these boards about the need for government transparency, and have wondered why people don't seem to realize that the * government is transparent as hell.

What astonishes me is how they get away with blatant deceit, and people in general do nothing.

I'm sure that the Pakistan government will look a little harder for bin Laden with this sweet bribe.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:11 PM
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3. Hmmm...I wonder how much of a bump in the polls Bush got for that $460MM
After all, I want to make sure my tax dollars are getting some bang for the buck.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:12 PM
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4. Unbelievable.
Pakistan is one assassination away from a fundie Islamic nuclear-equipped nightmare....and they are our best friends today. Wow, we sure no how to send signals on terror, don't we? But hey, what's a $1/2BB amongst friends? We spend that much in 4 days in Iraq.

BTW, whatever happened to that Pakistani ISI general that was funneling $100K to Atta?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:20 PM
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5. Pay off.
"What astonishes me is how they get away with blatant deceit, and people in general do nothing."

Most American sheep have no clue about these deceits &/or many others that Bushco has doled out. Even if they did I doubt that they would do anything about them. Most likely at least half of the population is apathetic about changing anything. Things are now at a point where many Americans suspect that Bushco lied about WMDs and nexus to Al Q. but overlook it. Seems that most Americans are accepting that it's routine for the Govt. to lie and they no longer care one way or the other.
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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:21 PM
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6. remember...Saddam was our Musharraf...
once upon a time.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 11:49 PM
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7. "BTW, whatever happened to that Pakistani ISI general...
...that was funneling $100K to Atta?"

Mahmood Ahmed was allowed to retire, and resurfaced after a discreet interval as the head of Pakistan's Fauji Fertilizer, a big business which is apparently something of a pasture for ex-military men.

Significantly, there is no record that the United States ever even sought to question Ahmed regarding the wire transfer.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 09:53 AM
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13. Do you mean Hamid Gul?
From what I can see reading the papers from there, he's not in the government anymore, but is still in town. He seems to write a lot of cranky editorials in the Pakistani papers -- he's sort of a 'pundit' figure now.

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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 12:45 AM
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8. NYT on Pakistani duplicity
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/20/opinion/20SAT1.html

Pakistan Changes the Subject

Published: March 20, 2004

...It is also hard to think of a more timely way to distract American attention from the many legitimate questions now surrounding General Musharraf's leadership and the true depth of his cooperation with the United States. The general disclosed the possible surrounding of a "high-value target" from Al Qaeda in a CNN interview following his meeting with Secretary of State Colin Powell. One subject that surely came up in that meeting was the extent of military or government involvement in Pakistan's nuclear weapons assistance to North Korea, Iran and Libya. The story about Dr. Zawahiri overwhelmed coverage of the nuclear issue....

-------------------------------------------------------------------

So that explains the timing of this great "Show" going on currently on Afghan-Pakistan border.

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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 01:09 AM
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9. Infuriating. Proliferate nukes, harbor terrorists..get a break on debt.
There are so many countries more deserving.

Think back to the ISI chief Mahmoud? wiring money to the 9-11 hijackers...

Is this a downpayment for the next one? hushmoney? WTF? Who knows..
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 07:18 AM
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10. CNN played right along with this
Hyping the Aaron Brown interview and ignoring this little fact! Wow!

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 08:24 AM
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11. Outf*****gragous
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cetasika Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 08:29 AM
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12. Why won't they forgive my measly $15K student loan
Im not a dictator with nuclear weapons.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 10:18 AM
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14. i forgive it
that and quarter though won't get you cuppa joe -- but you could try.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 10:23 AM
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15. Does 'forgiveness' mean that U.S. taxpayers pick-up the bill?
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 04:00 AM
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23. Yes
we pay for all those nice weapons we 'sold' them.
Of course the money goes to the military-industrial complex.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 12:32 PM
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16. Thank goodness we continue to support military dictatorships!
What did we just purchase, do you suppose?
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 12:37 PM
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17. Ah, the Coalition of the Billing!
All together, now...
"Money makes the world go around, the world go around, the world go around..."
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 07:18 PM
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18. Considering the monstrous Bush deficits
It is really someone else who is forgiving this debt.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 09:27 PM
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19. Interesting.. I wonder if all the US people who are in debt could get
a deal like that from Uncle Sam.. It IS our money after all.. No one ever calls me or writes to ask if it's OK with me, when they decide to "forgive" some 3rd world country's debt.. That debt is owed to ME too..

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 09:40 PM
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20. But we're cracking down on Cuba!!!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:12 AM
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22. kick
:kick:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 08:30 AM
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24. This would have fed a lot of America's poor and elderly
The Chimp stated "Screw the poor, they are lazy, there are jobs out there,look at the want ads, they are worthless bums, they are lazy"!!! </sarcasm>
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 10:19 AM
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25. Sounds like they looking for the wrong people to me
When was the last time you wanted to buy a few hundred nuclear triggers?

When that dictator lets people dealing in this stuff off with a slap on the wrist and the US or just anybody doesn't even a say boo,then you have know all these folk are in it up to their eye balls.

This could even be a slight of hand so they can say Pakistan is in with the good guys(you know, on the side of the guys with the white hats). Talk about arming people with WMD, *,Dick,most of BFEE and probably a whole lot of others should be jail for the collaborating in this. It's only about money, just like anything else if money can made somehow, BFEE and company will be in the thick of it, regardless of consequences.

(Just the different players in this article makes one wonder)

Something recent
http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/news/weather/7724855.htm
Posted on Fri, Jan. 16, 2004
Arrest Ties Pakistan to Nuke Black Market

MATT KELLEY

Associated Press


WASHINGTON - This month's arrest of a South Africa-based businessman accused of smuggling nuclear bomb triggers to Pakistan offers a rare window into the worldwide black market for nuclear weapons parts.

Authorities accuse Asher Karni, 50, of being the middleman for a complex series of transactions involving dozens of the triggers. Agents arrested Karni Jan. 2 at Denver International Airport.

Court documents say Karni used a series of front companies and misleading shipping documents to buy the devices from a Massachusetts company, have them sent through New Jersey to South Africa, then on to the United Arab Emirates and eventually to Pakistan. What Karni didn't know, a federal officer said in an affidavit, was that authorities had intervened and had the manufacturer sabotage the devices so they couldn't be used.

The case is the latest indication that Pakistan - a key U.S. ally in the war on terrorism - is deeply involved in the nuclear weapons black market. The United States for years has restricted exports of sensitive goods to Pakistan because of its nuclear weapons program.

If the devices were indeed headed for Pakistan's nuclear program, the most likely explanation would be that Pakistan was planning to build more nuclear bombs. That could complicate Pakistan's relations with its neighbor and nuclear rival India.

Officials from the United States and other governments say Pakistan also was the likely source for some of the know-how and equipment for nuclear weapons programs in Libya, North Korea and Iran. Secretary of State Colin Powell said this month that American officials have presented evidence to Pakistan's leaders of Pakistani involvement in the spread of nuclear weapons technology
(snip)

But now after 3 months the Pakistani dictator has been rehabilitated, and is good for the struggle with AQ, Yea right

And to a little history

http://www.fas.org/news/pakistan/1992/920731.htm
THE PRESSLER AMENDMENT AND PAKISTAN'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM (Senate - July 31, 1992)
Testimony of Senator John Glenn--U.S./Pakistan Nuclear Issues
(snip)
(BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, U.S. SENATE, JULY 30, 1992)
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for this opportunity to testify on U.S. responses to nuclear developments in Pakistan. I was tempted also to address my many concerns about India's large unsafe-guarded nuclear program, but given time limitations and the focus of this hearing, I will address these concerns in another forum. Besides, your Committee has every reason to focus today on Pakistan. After all, American taxpayers shelled out billions of hard-earned tax dollars in aid that was explicitly justified as necessary to curb Pakistan's bomb program. This aid was provided only after repeated waivers of our nuclear nonproliferation laws. Congress has both the right and the duty to see what happened to these funds.

A review of this evidence will also encourage us to reexamine some old policy assumptions--like the faith some of our leaders have put in transfers of arms and high technology as tools of nuclear nonproliferation--and to appreciate the importance of some old fundamentals, like the duty of the Executive to `faithfully execute the laws,' the need for a working relationship between Congress and the Executive, and the public's right to know.

My testimony will address five questions: First, what were Congress and the American taxpayers told about the relationship between U.S. military aid and Pakistan's bomb? Second, how have these claims stood up over time? Third, why did Congress impose nuclear conditions on aid only to Pakistan? Fourth, did the Reagan and Bush administrations implement these conditions as Congress had intended? And finally, where do we go from here?


THE PROMISE OF THE POLICY
Between 1982 and 1990, America provided over $4 billion in assistance to Pakistan, about half of which was military. Some people think this aid was solely intended to get the Soviets out of Afghanistan, a goal we shared with Pakistan. My staff, however, has identified 20 official administration statements claiming since 1981 that military assistance would address Pakistan's security concerns and thereby keep Pakistan from acquiring the bomb. I will submit with my testimony some relevant excerpts.
(snip)

Yea, correct, bla,bla,bla. Hey * did I tell you to stick it in your ear lately. <insert anger at contemptuous bastard>

Me don't wonder how stupid how one is, me just wonder about the rest of them going along with it :nopity:
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