(Ne) Pre-abortion requirements pass (first of it's kind meant as a barrier to abortions)

Source: Omaha World Herald-AP

LINCOLN (AP) -- Nebraska lawmakers have given final approval to a bill supporters say could help prevent post-abortion medical problems, but opponents say is really meant as a barrier to abortions.

The bill (LB594) passed Monday now goes to Gov. Dave Heineman, who says he supports it.

It has been called a first for the country. It would require women wanting abortions to be screened by doctors or other health professionals to determine whether they were pressured into having abortions. They also would have to be screened for risk factors indicating they could have mental or physical problems after an abortion.

If a screening were not done, a woman could file a lawsuit.

Read more: http://www.omaha.com/article/20100412/NEWS01/704129876/1009#pre-abortion-requirements-pass

whether women were pressured into continuing an unwanted pregnancy and screening for risk factors
indicating they could have mental or physical problems after giving birth to an unwanted child?

I am SO glad I no longer live in NE. The state motto should be "Ignorant and proud of it."

because of attitudes like this. :argh:

Yes, this even far worse than when the legislature allowed parents to abandon their children at local hospitals. People were, literally, driving here from all over the country to abandon their children (many were teenagers), until they finally revoked that idiotic law. That was a couple of years ago, I believe.

it's unconstitutional. Abortions are legal. Period.

These screenings determine viability and health of the recipient of the future medical procedure.

When I was in the hospital, my parents tried to donate blood for transfusions to be given to me. The hospital told my father he was too old, and my mother was too small (only 100 lbs) to donate.

Organ donors are screened for diseases and medical conditions. I'm talking about living donors that want to donate a kidney or part of a liver.

There is also quite a bit of pre-natal screening done on pregnant women to determine any genetic conditions or issues the fetus or woman may have before the woman gives birth months later.

Everything you mentioned is a screening to determine physical health and viability, which is more than a little bit different.

This is designed to have a further chilling effect on women seeking an abortion; to take advantage of women when they are already in a stressful situation; to make women wait that much longer before they can proceed with a legal medical procedure.

Not really the same as screening for disease or genetic conditions.

In all, it does seem another way the Conservatives are hitting abortion. Instead of trying to overturn Roe v. Wade, which they now admit is almost impossible, they are focusing on any way to make obtaining an abortion that much more difficult. Their hope is that the woman will find all the hoops and hurdles she has to jump through just to get an abortion will cause her to say "forget it" and have the kid.

Honestly, these people are so self-defeating that it hurts.

And hit their balls on the way down.

wanting to receive blood, or if you might possibly suffer adverse physical or emotional consequences from receiving blood?

And receiving blood is not even a Constitutional right.

As a man, I can recognize these sorts of things

Pack up your family, sell the house and get the hell out of there! Seriously!

and already screen for that stuff.

This is a feel good bill by ignorant men who don't know what clinics do.

and had to have a D&C to remove the fetal tissue, the hospital gave me a pre-screening examination prior to surgery. I assumed that was normal for whenever a patient was going to be put under anaesthesia. (I'm in NYC, and maybe my screening only occurred because the doctors in a hospital performed my procedure. If I had it done in a clinic, it could have been different.)

BTW, MALE doctors are going to be doing these screenings?

AND WTF do they mean "RISK FACTORS"?????

Sue their fucking asses off. HOW DARE THEY?

Nebraska women are wimps.

determine if the woman is being coerced into an abortion she doesn't really want.

legally, the last thing they need is for someone to come back later and claim the clinic somehow forced them into it....

ethically they don't want anyone deprived of or forced into abortion.

this stupid shit is ONLY to throw up another barrier for woman.

to have an abortion as in how crazy do you have to act to get out of the military in MASH? What will they do when all the premoms come up crazy? I don't think they thought this through. There is an exception for the health of the mother and there law will establish that the premom's health requires an abortion. Will they force the premoms to have an abortion? This could get interesting. Unintended consequences may strike again.

That's so insulting! You might as well just call women incubators and be done with it! They are pregnant WOMEN, not "premoms".

:wtf:

If a doctor determines that a woman was pressured and/or she could have emotional problems after an abortion ... then what? Can she still have an abortion? If not, then we all know where this is going: DOCTORS are going to be the ones pressured to find something "wrong" so a woman can't have an abortion. :grr:

If a "problem" is found during the pre-screening and the woman has physical or emotional problems later, will her insurance cover treatment? My guess is no because she ignored a doctor's "advice" prior to the abortion.

By the way ... if a woman doesn't have insurance, who pays for the screenings? :shrug:

just sayin'


ridiculously unconstitutional intrusion into privacy

:puke:

Source: ABC News

A Nebraska state law that will make abortions illegal after the 20th week of pregnancy has sparked speculation about whether the state ban -- the first of its kind in the United States -- might end up as the subject of the next Supreme Court abortion battle.


Pro-choice and anti-abortion activists demonstrate in front of the Supreme Court building as arguments on Nebraska's partial birth abortion law are heard before the court. A law that makes abortions illegal after the 20th week of pregnancy was signed into law today in Nebraska. The primary goal of the "Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act" is to stop late-term abortions, supporters say. The state law makes it a felony for a doctor to abort a fetus at more than 20 weeks.

Nebraska is the first state to ban abortions based on the controversial notion that a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks. The state law, which will take effect Oct. 20, now has a post-viability ban on abortion but defines viability on a case-by-case basis.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Supreme_Court/nebraska-passes-controversial-abortion-ban/story?id=10361705

state, too. Of course, it's not a hugely populous state anyhow...

The scary thing is this new law will probably end up in the SCOTUS where they will rubberstamp it and then the entire south will pass similar laws. America is really scary religious country right now!

I've heard that tumors feel pain when they're cut out. We MUST stop cutting those poor suffering tumors out of people's bodies.

'cause that's all this BS is about - controlling women via their bodies. These 'pro-lifers' don't give a rat about the hundreds of thousands of orphans we've created in Iraq with our stupid illegal invasion and occupation there.

BUT - those children aren't inside a woman's body - so they don't matter. Funny how that works. Pfft.

The term 'pretentious hypocrites' comes to mind. :eyes:

They don't care about life or who they cause pain to. They care about control. Specifically, control of women.

Women feel pain in childbirth. Do they care about that? Nope. After that baby is out of that womb, do they care about it then? Nope.

These are knuckle-dragging neanderthals that still consider women chattel. They need to learn to walk upright and be civilized. But of course they won't - because the're running the country and they don't have to. They're part of the problem.

When will they make men stop using Viagra? Never. But they'll take away the IUD and contraceptive pills tomorrow if they could. Youbetcha. Like I said, they're part of the problem. They won't ever admit it, but they are.

It's easier to blame women and try to control them, than to change and control themselves.

that allow abortions. of course this will drive the so-called christians crazy and they will start blowing up buses and come up with more stupid laws. oklahoma is right behind nebraska with the so-called christian laws.

that's why this pseudoscientific bill passed. "defines viability on a case-by-case basis"? Oh c'mon, this is just an over-reaching Nanny State law that'll be a total waste of Nebraskans' tax money.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100407/NEWS01/704079824/1009#neb-abortion-bill-advances
Published Wednesday April 7, 2010

LINCOLN (AP) - Nebraska lawmakers have advanced a first-of-its-kind bill that would require women to get mental-health screenings before having abortions.

Second-round approval was given to the bill (LB594) on Wednesday. It is expected to get final approval and be signed by Gov. Dave Heineman within the next several days.

Supporters say it could help prevent post-abortion medical problems, but opponents say it’s meant as a barrier to legally ending pregnancies.

After the screenings, women would have to be told whether they had risk factors that could lead to mental or physical problems. But abortions could be performed even if risk factors existed.
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If screenings were not done, women could sue doctors, but the doctors would not face criminal charges.

"anyone who tries to get an abortion must be crazy"? Or, every woman would be told they have "risk factors" and that would end up on their permanent medical record. It would allow religious crazies in the profession to force their views on the rest.

does that mean she's sane enough to be a parent??

Do fetuses feel pain at 20 weeks?

looks like researchers are saying 26 to 29 weeks...

...second, you need to understand that 1 of the 3 is Dr. LeRoy Carhart

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeRoy_Carhart

Now that Dr. Tiller has been murdered, Dr. Carhart is the only Doctor in the region who performs late term abortions. The law is clearly aimed at him.

But I wouldn't be surprised to see Republicans pretending to be against it so they themselves can send it to the Supreme Court packed with activist right wingers. Let's hope the balance of the court can be changed before Obama leaves office.

Scroll down to page 6 for the voting results for LB1103: http://nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/Current/PDF/Journal/r2day59.pdf

This page lists the Senators' party affiliations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Legislature

For the previous reactionary bill passed yesterday (LB594), only 7 Democrats voted against it (joined by 2 Republicans): http://nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/Current/PDF/Journal/r2day58.pdf

This law is obviously unconstitutional, as well as the fact that the AVERAGE baby starts feeling pain between 24-29 weeks, with some babies feeling pain at 22 and 23 weeks. Hopefully, democrats and progresives will come together to protest this across the country. Anyone know of any future protests in Boston?
Thanks

people say 'unwanted pregnancy' like it's some disease they contracted.

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