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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:18 AM
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Volcanic ash: Europe flights grounded for third day
Edited on Sat Apr-17-10 10:09 AM by brooklynite
Source: BBC

Millions of air travellers are stranded as thousands of flights are being cancelled for a third day.

The disruption from the spread of ash would continue into Sunday, European aviation agency Eurocontrol said.

Airlines are losing some £130m ($200m) a day in an unprecedented shutdown of commercial air travel.

"Forecasts suggest that the cloud of volcanic ash will persist and that the impact will continue for at least the next 24 hours," a statement from Eurocontrol said at around 0830 GMT.



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8626505.stm



Airspace is now closed in Austria, Belgium, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Latvia, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, and the UK. Italy is open but Rome and Milan are closed. This is going to take at least a week for airlines to sort out all the out of position planes and stuck flyers. And I'm flying right into the middle of it on Thursday...
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:37 AM
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1. Unless you're flying into Spain or Greece, you might not be......
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:44 AM
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2. Next Time Take The Train? Not Likely!
Unlike North American travelers, who would be SOL if Rainier, Mount Lassen, or the nasty possibility near Mammoth Lake erupted, stranded Europeans withing 1000 miles or so of their destinations could take passenger trains to their destinations.

We don't have such an option. Amtrak's network is skeletal at best, and the cross-country rail network has shrunken even further since Amtrak was founded in 1971. Worse, Amtrak has retired many of its passenger rail cars and hasn't been able to build up the fleet on the starvation diets it endured under Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II.

And east-west bus services are a joke. They're getting to be as sketchy as passenger rail was by 1960.

If a North American volcano or two erupts, cross-country air travelers are likely to be out of luck and stuck. After all, this is "Ammurica" and rugged individualists and anti-gummint patriots don't believe in "socialistic" and "un-Ammurican" disaster planning or preparations.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:55 AM
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3. However, this disruption may cause thoughts.
Likely no more than thought, but all kinds of people are rediscovering rail transit in Europe.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:04 AM
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5. I was wondering last night:what happened when Mount St. Helens exploded?
I don't remember air travel being this disrupted.
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 11:19 AM
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7. I did a quick look around
There are scattered references to all major airports in the NW having been shut from days to weeks after, as well as references to flights into the ash zone having been suspended for the duration.

Same thing after Mt Pinatubo in the Phillipines and the Indonesian eruptions. At Boeing's website they mention 90 aircraft damaged by flying into airborne ash since 1980, so maybe we just understand the dangers a lot better now and are less willing to take risks. Since the main effect of flying into ash is often multiple simultaneous engine flameouts, I'm cool with that.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_09/volcanic_story.html
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:36 AM
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6. or $5000 taxi rides because trains are booked
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 11:22 AM
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8. And discovering they're too late to book
My gf just texted me from St Pancras Eurostar Terminal in London. She said "it looks like the end of the world here."
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 11:24 AM
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9. Yep
I remember a story about some people who landed at Minot ND instead of JFK on 9/11, they pooled together to buy a cheap used car to drive back. They must have not thought about taking the Empire Builder to Chicago and then other Amtrack routes from there.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 11:38 AM
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10. French train strike is in its 11th day now. Some trains are running, all are full
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle09.asp?xfile=data/international/2010/April/international_April921.xml§ion=international
he Eurostar cross-Channel rail service laid on three extra Paris-London trains but places rapidly filled up and passengers were building up in the Gare du Nord station.

The company said 10,000 more passengers than usual had attempted to book Eurostar seats out of Paris on Friday; almost a third more than would normally have been expected.

A strike on the French national network forced the cancellation of one high-speed TGV in 10, a fifth of regional trains and more than a third of local services, operator SNCF said.


http://genevalunch.com/blog/2010/04/16/swiss-air-travel-update-17-april-update-4/
International train travel: be sure to reserve, says CFF

The Swiss rail company, CFF, has opened a hot line 0800 99 66 33 for train information, but it strongly urges travelers to reserve for any international travel, since all of Europe’s rail lines are under heavy pressure due to air space being closed.
French trains remain on strike

SNCF French trains remain on strike after several days of traffic disruptions and some lines are affected, although at least some trains are scheduled between Paris and Bern, Geneva and Lausanne, as well as one train from Geneva to Marseilles
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 02:44 PM
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13. aw geez. What a terrific time for trains to be on strike.
Usually their strikes only last a day or two -- 11 days is pretty long for la greve.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 03:27 PM
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15. family there says the roads are quite full
11 days is pretty long for them to strike. I am amused by the "strike every wednesday" strikes that have happened in the past. Inconvenience people, but still let them get around. I was in a transportation strike there a couple yrs ago. I was naive enough to buy a ticket at the machine while the locals just watched me and got on the train without paying. Worst part was Roissybus struck in solidarity and it was a mess getting to cdg.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:33 PM
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11. Fortunately, we still have our interstates and hopefully could rent cars
to get to one's destination. You used to be able to rent a car like at Hertz in one city and drop it off in another city. I don't know if this still applies, but hopefully car rental companies will adapt if there is a crisis because you are right, our rail and bus services are jokes today.
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:55 PM
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12. you can still do that
rent in one place, drop off in another. It costs more, though.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 02:45 PM
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14. I was stranded during 9/11. No rental cars anywhere. Buses full.
I ended up having to spend a week in Seattle -- not that I'm complaining. At least it's a great city.
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:04 AM
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4. Huh
Starting to look like my stay down here in West Africa is going to be extended whether I like it or not.
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