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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:38 AM Original message |
Supreme Court strikes down law aimed at animal cruelty videos on free speech grounds |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. 8 to 1? |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Alito dissented |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. You know you're screwed when you agree with Samuel Alito! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
24. removed by poster |
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johnfunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. SILVER LINING: Tell your neighborhood rightie that Alito sided with PETA! |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Alito didn't side with PETA, the rest of the justices did. |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
75. Alito said: |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
41. Me too |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. Yet it doesn't prevent them, |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Your argument is silly.. |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. I AGREE WITH THE COURTS-----> |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Removed by poster -- |
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Demstud (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
58. Me too |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. So producing and trafficking in videos of crimes-in-the-act is protected free speech? |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. And not only that, corporations are people. The court said so. See this song --- |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Woohoopoop. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Apparently so... |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. exactly. and this is a HUGE problem in federal law |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. The speech is protected |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. So if I choose to sell videos of animal abusers being lynched, that's okay? |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Yeah, I guess |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
5. K&R |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
6. These videos should have been treated like child pornography |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
37. Well no |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
55. There's a problem with your comparison |
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Kber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
8. Their complaint was that the law was written too broadly |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
9. I agree with the court. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
10. The SCOTUS is so fucking out of touch with reality |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. Deleted message |
superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. This. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Do you even know the law that was struck down? |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Here. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
65. Arguments not matching up with reality of the law. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Do you want the government making that distinction? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Why would the gov't make the distinction, wouldn't it be the courts making |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I was using "government" as shorthand.. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. I read the decision. It was decided wrongly. Alito was right, though he didn't go far enough. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I guess you missed the observation that it would criminalize video of legal conduct too |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
67. As Justice Alito pointed out, that was an unnecessarily overbroad reading of the statute. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:17 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. And overbroad interpretations happen all the time |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. In general, yes, but not here. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. i guess we'll have to disagree |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
13. Recommend - I think this is the saddest thing I'll read all week. 8 to 1? Nt |
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greiner3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
15. The videos only sold because there was a market for them; |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Snuff films do not exist. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Three Guys, One Hammer |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. i remember you have been taken in by mythology |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
18. I hope there won't be an uptick in the making of those videos, but if there are I hope all the |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
20. The law struck down here.. |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
21. No animal rights for you liittle kittens. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
56. It's against the law in the US |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. That is a great analogy |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. You are more than welcome to it |
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nyy1998 (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
22. Wow, that sexual fetish thing sounded extremly disturbing. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
23. removed by poster -- |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
25. What about child abuse? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. No. there is already case law addressing that issue. nt |
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rollin74 (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
27. will child porn laws be struck down then? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Nope, read the decision. n/t |
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ebbie15644 (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
53. Snuff films |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. No more so than before this ruling. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
29. there was extensive discussion with good legal cites |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
42. Disgusting and disturbing |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
43. Justices cite free speech in striking down animal-cruelty law |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. If you want to prevent cruelty |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Cruelty is banned and is a crime |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. They would say that human children |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. excellent post |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. So if the animal is crushed and killed, they didn't suffer? |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
61. So animals don't suffer? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. read existing threads, and read the decision. nt |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
49. Justices cite free speech in striking down animal-cruelty law |
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Demstud (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
57. I'm confused, what was he convicted of? |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. He made the videos by compiling footage from (largely) overseas and selling them. |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
71. In Alito's dessent, he said: |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Where is "preventing cruelty to animals" enumerated in the Constitution? |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
73. the courts |
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