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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:27 PM
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Utah Set to Execute Convicted Killer Ronnie Lee Gardner by Firing Squad
Source: CBS News

SALT LAKE CITY (CBS/AP) The state of Utah is scheduled to execute convicted killer Ronnie Lee Gardner by firing squad on June 18 after a judge signed a warrant for his execution, according to The Associated Press.

State court Judge Robin Reese signed the warrant Friday morning in a Salt Lake City courtroom.

The 49-year-old has been on Utah's death row for 25 years. After Reese said Gardner's avenues for appeal are exhausted and that he would sign the warrant, Gardner said, "I would like the firing squad, please."

Gardner would be the western state's first death row inmate executed since Joseph Mitchell Parsons died by lethal injection in 1999.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20003295-504083.html
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:29 PM
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1. why would they give him a choice?
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 01:40 PM by Aramchek
Does he really deserve a Blaze of Glory?
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CosmicMemory Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:14 PM
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8. Because it's Utah / Mormon
Some Mormons believe certain sins can be atoned only by the spilling of blood; it's called Blood Atonement.
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:59 AM
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18. They threw out Firing Squad as an option years ago
But left it in for inmates already on death row.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:38 AM
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19. Read Norman Mailer's Superb "The Executioner's Song"......
....for a detailed run-down on the whole blood atonement thing in Utah (Gary Gilmore's execution). Makes you feel like you're living in the Middle Ages.......
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:20 PM
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25. Excellent read, indeed.
Then read Mailer's "Oswald's Tale."
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:20 AM
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27. Thanks For The Rec. (n/t)
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:17 PM
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30. It's the law in Utah, or was when he was first convicted.
I'm not in favor of the death penalty, but i do think this is a more dignified method than lethal injection or hanging if you're going to have it.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:33 PM
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2. could he have opted for death by stoning?
Wouldn't that be cool if death row prisoners got to choose their method. Oh wait . . .:blush: my bad.

Oh well I live Texas - we have high speed conveyor belts to the death chamber here and I swear the state has an annual tag/bag quota.

Insanity, all of it. Every once in a while I wake up and think, wow this is the 21st century and I live in a developed nation and then I remember it's all window dressing. We're just as backwards, cathartic, superstitious and bloodthirsty as any ghetto in Mogadishu; we just have better hamburgers.



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:39 PM
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:49 PM
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6. Thanks to the mods for deleting the post #4
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 01:50 PM by hlthe2b
I wish they'd been able to do so before I saw it, however. I was already anti-death penalty.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:15 PM
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9. I'll bet you a dollar
the mods did it to save that person from me. Anti-death penalty just means I have high standards for what should define an enlightened society.

My standards for single verbal combat to the death are considerably lower . . .

Otherwise, I recommend ketchup at 10 paces. :P
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:34 PM
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21. Groucho Marx always said he wanted to be killed by a jealous husband.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:40 PM
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22. I'll take Loki's beheading
You must take every single inch of my head but you can't take any of my neck.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:37 PM
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3. We are such an enlightened, progressive society...a shining beacon as we
spread democracy, nay, we set it "flowering" throughout the planet.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:03 PM
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7. People all over the planet deserve democracy, and we'll kill every undemocratic leader they elect
until they have it!
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:39 PM
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5. Guess the "church" in UT doesn't support all life?
Hmm...all the good Christians HOWL about getting rid of abortion.

But...when it comes to execution, they be love'n them some killing!

Speaking of killing, how you good Christians doing about the killing of
innocent men, women, and CHILDREN in Iraq and Afghanistan by our military?

Guess that all life is not so precious.

...hypocrites...
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Stumbler Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 10:56 AM
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39. I hear ya
Pro-life when it comes to abortion. Not so much with regards to capital punishment, war, universal health care, industrial regulations, food safety, enivronmental degradation, hunting wolves with helicopters, etc. But they still get to slap that bumper-sticker-slogan on themselves and religious single-issue voters gobble it up everytime...
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:30 PM
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10. I still cannot fathom how conservatives support giving the state the power to kill its citizens.
Support for the DP seems to me the most anti-conservative position held by 99.9% of conservatives. I just don't get it. They want to drown the govt. in a bathtub, but not before they let that same govt. kill their fellow citizens in retribution. This *has* to be the up there on the list of conservative ironies...

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:34 PM
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11. preach it! damned excellent point! I am against the death penalty in all forms, especially the one
where someone takes the life of someone out of anger, fear, lust, etc, but beyond the criminal type of murder that is so disgusting to read or hear about, hearing state executions are allowed is one of the things regular citizens should be afraid of! What happens if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time and you're fingered for something you know you didn't do! TOO BAD! BAM BAM BAM!
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:37 PM
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12. They're idiots... I don't think it's any more complicated than that. eom
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RainMickey Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:18 AM
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16. Agreed. At least the guy in Utah had a trial before getting a death sentence.
How about the American citizen the US government has issued a hit against?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:23 PM
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32. They don't really hate state power; they just assume in Conservaworld it would only hurt liberals nt
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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 03:35 PM
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13. I have a warped view of executions....
and I know I will get bashed for this one, but I don't disagree with the death penalty.

On the one hand, I truly believe that if a person convicted, by a jury of his/her peers (and I'm talking today's standards, not the really warped standards of the earlier 20th century all white, male southern juries) of a crime SO HEINOUS AND VILE that that person can NO LONGER BE FIT TO BE A MEMBER OF THIS SOCIETY, then by all means, execute the SOB... and I am thinking about the advancements in DNA testing and the likelihood of the scenario of the person being in the wrong place at the wrong time.......that's the practical nature in me. Keep in mind that I spent 4 months on the grand jury of a major Ohio county, and I heard all kinds of brutal and repugnant crime details (especially those involving children; those were the WORST).

On the other hand, I feel that if we allow the states to have a say in who lives and who dies, where does it end? That's the libertarian in me, I suppose; I firmly disagree with the "nanny state", and am firmly opposed (for example) to the government telling me that I am required to wear seat belts, even though I would never DREAM of getting into a moving vehicle without them, nor will any passengers in MY car go without them.... and as far as that goes, who are we to "play God"????

It really plays hell with me. I am a card carrying member of the Socialist Party, and am the type of person who gets upset with someone who kills a damn insect, yet I feel that the death penalty is OK, however, I would NOT want to be the person who injected the final med, fired the fatal shot, pulled the lever, etc....

Go figure, huh? Just adding my 2 cents on a Friday afternoon.
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harry_pothead Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 12:29 PM
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29. I agree with the DP in principle
But disagree with its use in practice. Given the state of our police, prosecutors, and court system, there is no way in hell that an irreversible punishment like the DP should be implemented. Way too many innocent people are convicted of crimes.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:37 PM
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14. I would have said, "I'll choose death by old age, please." n/t
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:02 AM
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15. so true....
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 12:02 AM by Divine Discontent
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 10:52 AM
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38. I'd ask for "Death by extreme sexual exhaustion..."
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:19 AM
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17. Execution doesn't have to be expensive.
Bullets and nooses are cheap.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:17 PM
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34. Gad, you again...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:54 PM
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35. Still pimping that list out?
Gad, that fail again.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:02 PM
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36. Still trolling on DU, eh?
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 10:03 PM by ProudDad
Go back to your comic books...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:34 PM
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37. Troll?
Your response is common and laughable.

"Go back to your comic books..."

I will, it's a hobby and passion that have served me well over the last 20 years. I won't bother explaining, it's a little too up there for you.

Have fun on your motorcycle! Vroom! Vroom! Loud noises are fun, aren't they?
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:31 PM
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20. Very smart move on the part of the inmate.... Whole new series of appeals
based on a cruel or unusual punishment grounds. Looks like another 25 years.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:42 PM
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24. My thoughts exactly.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:48 AM
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26. Why are bullets cruel or unusual punishment?
what do you consider non-cruel and usual methods?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:21 PM
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31. YEs & no
Capital cases have automatic right of appeal up to the (Federal) Supreme Court. And his lawyers will argue that the length of time to process all previous appeals makes the late imposition cruel and unusual (he's been in jail for this crime longer than he had been alive when he committed it).

but the method of execution, no. That was what was on the books when he was first sentenced (firing squad or lethal injection) and he chose it. So he wouldn't be able to appeal based on his own choice, as far as I know. Personally, although I'm against the DP, I think firing squad is one of the least cruel methods of administering it. If I were in that position I'd much prefer it to lethal injection, the gas chamber, or the electric chair.
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 05:54 PM
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23. Why not beheading - quick and cheap
The economic reality of capital punishment in the US is that it is far more expensive to the government than life in prison.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 11:16 AM
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40. Beheading was an option in 19th century Utah
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harry_pothead Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 12:22 PM
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28. TBH firing squad is a hell of a lot more humane than lethal injection.
I would certainly choose it.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:16 PM
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33. 10 Reasons to Abolish the Death Penalty
By 2004, 118 countries had abolished the death penalty, in law or practice. An average of three countries abolish the death penalty every year. The worldwide trend towards abolition of the death penalty is reflected in the Africa region, where 24 members of the African Union had abolished the death penalty, in law or practice, by 1 October 2004.(1) Here are ten reasons for the total abolition of this degrading and inhuman punishment:

1 - the death penalty violates the right to life.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) recognises each person’s right to life. Article 4 of the African Charter on Human and Peoples´ Rights (ACHPR) states that "human beings are inviolable. Every human being shall be entitled to respect for his life and the physical and moral integrity of his person." This view is reinforced by the existence of international and regional treaties providing for the abolition of the death penalty, notably the second optional protocol of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations in 1989.

2 - the death penalty is a cruel and inhuman death.

The UDHR categorically states that "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."All forms of execution are inhuman. No government can guarantee a dignified and painless death to condemned prisoners, who also suffer psychological pain in the period between their sentence and execution.

3 - the death penalty has no dissuasive effect.

No scientific study has proved that the death penalty has a more dissuasive effect on crime than other punishments. The most recent investigation into the links of cause and effect between capital punishment and the murder rate, was conducted by the United Nations in 1988 and updated in 2002. It came to the following conclusion: "...it is not prudent to accept the hypothesis that capital punishment deters murder to a marginally greater extent than does the threat and application of the supposedly lesser punishment of life imprisonment."

4 - the death penalty is premeditated murder, demeans the state and makes society more violent.

By executing a person, the state commits a murder and shows the same readiness to use physical violence against its victim as the criminal. Moreover, studies have shown that the murder rate increases immediately after executions. Researchers have suggested that this increase is similar to that caused by other violent public events, such as massacres and assassinations.

5 - the death penalty is discriminatory in its application.

Throughout the world, the death penalty is disproportionately used against disadvantaged people. Some condemned prisoners from the most impoverished social classes would not have been sentenced to death if they were from wealthier sectors of society. In these cases, either the accused are less able to find their way through the maze of the judicial system (because of a lack of knowledge, confidence or financial means), or the system reflects the generally negative attitude of society and the powerful towards them. It has also been proved that certain criminals run a greater risk of being condemned to death if their victims come from higher social classes.

6 - the death penalty denies the capacity of people to mend their ways and become a better person.

Defenders of the death penalty consider that anyone sentenced to death is unable to mend their ways and could re-offend at any time if they are released. However, there are many examples of offenders who have been reintegrated and who have not re-offended. Amnesty International believes that the way to prevent re-offending is to review procedures for conditional release and the psychological monitoring of prisoners during detention, and under no circumstances to increase the number of executions. In addition, the death penalty removes any possibility for the condemned person to repent.

7 - the death penalty cannot provide social stability nor bring peace to the victims.

An execution cannot give the victim his or her life back nor ease the suffering felt by their family. Far from reducing the pain, the length of the trial and the appeal procedure often prolong the family’s suffering.

8 - the death penalty denies the fallibility of human institutions.

The risk of executing innocent people remains indissolubly linked to the use of the death penalty. Since 1973, 116 people condemned to death in the United States have been released after proof of their innocence has been established. Some of them have only just escaped execution, after having passed years on death row. These repeated judicial errors have been especially due to irregularities committed by prosecution or police officers, recourse to doubtful evidence, material information or confessions, or the incompetence of defence lawyers. Other prisoners have been sent to their deaths when serious doubts existed about their guilt.

9 - the death penalty is a collective punishment.

This punishment affects all the family, friends and those sympathising with the condemned person. The close relatives of an executed prisoner, who generally do not have anything to do with the crime, could feel, as a result of the death penalty, the same dreadful sense of loss as the victim’s parents felt at the death of their loved one.

10 - the death penalty goes against the religious and humanist values that are common to all humanity.

Human rights are universal, indivisible and interdependent. They are based on many traditions that can be found in all civilisations. All religions advocate clemency, compassion and forgiveness and it is on these values that Amnesty International bases its opposition to the death penalty.
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