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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 06:58 AM
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Afghan protest turns violent
Source: WP

Afghan protest turns violent

By Joshua Partlow
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, April 25, 2010; 5:21 AM

KABUL -- Protesters angered by killings during an early morning military operation set fire to NATO supply vehicles in Logar province on Sunday, amid differing claims about whether the men killed were civilians or insurgents.

In the early morning darkness, a joint U.S. and Afghan patrol killed three people and arrested two others in the village of Nasir near the Logar provincial capital, according to Afghan officials. A NATO statement said the men were shot when they displayed "hostile intent," and that one of those captured was a low-level Taliban commander who planned suicide bombings.

But a few hours after dawn, more than 100 people had gathered on a main road and insisted the slain men were innocent civilians. The furious crowd blocked traffic and set fire to at least 10 fuel tankers using hand grenades, said provincial police chief Ghulam Mustafa Moisini. By midday, the fire was still raging and neighbors evacuated their homes.

"If they were insurgents, why are the people so angry?" asked provincial government spokesman Din Mohammad Darwish. While he did not know if the men killed and captured were Taliban or not, he said that in past killings, people are "careful about doing these kinds of protests" if the men were Taliban fighters.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/25/AR2010042500850.html
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:06 AM
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1. Well there's a surprise.
NOT.

What'd they do - poke their tongues out at the troops. :sarcasm:
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:14 AM
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2. "they displayed 'hostile intent,' " - sounds like the excuse of 'spree' killer.
"Everyone at work displayed hostile intent toward me so I got my machine gun & mowed them all down."

:sarcasm:
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:20 AM
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3. Your coworkers are Pakistani Taliban?
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 07:25 AM by Robb
From the article:

Among the rumors swirling about the situation was that U.S. soldiers had taken away the bodies of the three men killed, further angering their relatives. While two Logar officials, including the police chief made this claim, Darwish said it was not true and the bodies were present during the protest.

(Provincial police chief Ghulam Mustafa) Moisini agreed the men killed and captured were insurgents, and said that the joint patrol collected weapons, including AK-47 assault rifles and pistols, along with Pakistani passports. The people knew this, but protested anyway, he said, a sign of either grassroots support for the Taliban or intimidation by the insurgents. Afghans have also come to loath operations at night.

"Whether they are insurgents or civilians, the people go and protest," he said.


Edited to add: this is the http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4354308">second night raid in Logar province this weekend. There's a reason we're working Kulangar, and it's not to kill civilians.
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:37 AM
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4. Not as far as I know. I think many of them are Assembly Of God. Not sure though.
If we were closing bases (800 or so & counting), dismantling our cockamamie 'empire', there'd be no story like this.

It's the assumption that we have to have foreign entanglements that screws the pooch.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:42 AM
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5. Also from the article:
"In the past, including once last week, NATO officials have reversed their initial claims that those they'd killed were insurgents, and admitted they were civilians."
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Proletariatprincess Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:32 AM
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6. What is the definition of insurgent?
Seems to me that if a foreign power occupies any country, the civilian resistance will always be called insurgency.
Kind of like the word terrorists...it means whoever we want it to be.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:39 AM
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8. Considering these are Pakistani Taliban in Af, you're right, it's not the right term.
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:53 AM
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9. Delete
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 11:56 AM by Flaneur
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:55 AM
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10. Delete
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:30 AM
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7. It sounds as if the 'Hearts and Minds' program isn't catching on.
Color me surprised. :(
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 01:21 PM
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11. I just don't understand...
Don't they know we're there to slaughter in the name of profits?

That we're exporting the American dream into their neighborhood so that they too can enjoy the benefits of serfdom to our Lords whichc are much better than their Lords?


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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:18 PM
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12. What do you think the Pakistani Taliban are there for?
Human rights? :eyes:
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