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cory777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 05:48 PM
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IMF board approves nearly $40 billion Greece loan
Source: AP

WASHINGTON – The International Monetary Fund has put up nearly $40 billion to help bail out Greece and appease investors' fears of a spreading European debt crisis.

The IMF's executive board met in Washington Sunday to approve a three-year, euro30 billion loan for the debt-plagued nation, part of a $140 billion package (euro110 billion) negotiated with other eurozone countries.

With hundreds of billions in debts and a budget deficit of 13.6 percent of gross domestic product, Greece was just weeks away from default when eurozone finance ministers agreed to activate a rescue. Greece has enacted tax hikes and deep cutbacks in government spending as a condition of the bailout. The austerity measures have sparked riots and social unrest in the nation.

"The Greek government should be commended for committing to an historic course of action that will give this proud nation a chance of rising above its current troubles and securing a better future for the Greek people," IMF Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn said in a statement Sunday.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100509/ap_on_bi_ge/us_greece_imf
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 05:51 PM
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1. Greece needs to get serious about making folks pay their taxes. Arrears for this year are $30bn
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MIprogressive Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 05:59 PM
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2. yes they do, but we cant let them fail. it will be a domino effect if they do.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 06:11 PM
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3. Greece needs to get serious about telling the IMF to go screw itself. nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 06:30 PM
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5. Um, the IMF isn't the problem here. nt
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 06:42 PM
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6. We disagree. nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 06:44 PM
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7. Greek taxpayers have $30bn in arrears this year of unpaid taxes. nt
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 06:51 PM
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8. Goodluck collecting that
When you cause a depression with draconian IMF austerity measures.

Best bet for the greeks, chase all the foreign bankers out of their country.

The IMF is an evil organization. I hope the Greek people eat their representatives on open spits.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 06:54 PM
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10. According to whom? Can I point out that "this year" is not even over yet?
Who is sovereign in Greece, the people or the government? It is clear that the government lacks the support of the people, it is therefore ipso facto illegitimate, and it's debts are worth doodle.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 06:59 PM
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13. So who will lend a "legitimate" government money
after they default on all that illegitimate debt? Life does go on after all.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:00 PM
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So who gives a shit?
The idea is to live within your means, is it not? Is bankruptcy not all about a fresh start?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:09 PM
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18. Well lets hope so.
But I suspect that this will have a devastating effect on the Greek economy. Consider all the US government subsidies - I suspect that Greek companies are also highly dependent on government money. The risk is that their economy will simply slip into a deeper recession. I can't see how that is going to benefit the Greek workers - they still will lose their benefits.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:15 PM
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21. Well then, they are fucked.
But that isn't the question, the question is whether the IMF bailout will help anybody but the banks that loaned them the money they cannot repay now, and the answer is no.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:48 PM
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29. Austerity will cause a deep depression.
You simply cannot cure a consumer driven recession by cutting wages and raising taxes. This foolish idea has never worked. The IMF has a history of utter failure with these austerity plans. Take a look at their record in Africa or anywhere else.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:04 PM
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16. I mean, if Greece is insolvent, is loaning it another $130B a sensible way to solve the problem?
I submit that NO, NO it is NOT a sensible way to solve the problem.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:09 PM
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17. That is in fact insane
and everyone knows it but the reality deniers refuse to accept it.

You have an entity that is over leveraged and cannot afford to take on more debt, so the solution is to give them more debt.

You have to remember that these are the same geniuses who came up with TARP and Quantitative Easing in the US.

The problem with people defaulting is they had more debt than they could realistically ever afford, the solution was to try to get banks lending again.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:10 PM
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19. But no one seems to have a sensible solution. nt
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:17 PM
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22. Sometimes there is no solution, pretending does not help.
If one actually cares about the Greeks, it's easy enough and not that expensive to supply food, fuel, things like that in kind, as an act of charity, and it doesn't cost anything like $130B.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:53 PM
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30. There is a sensible solution.
It's just that the neo-liberal IMF lunatics don't like it very much because it strips of them of their ill-gotten gains and power and starts to reverse decades of failed globalization schemes.

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=9533

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=9544
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:44 PM
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27. Unpaid taxes are not the cause of this crisis.
Greece is in a recession caused by a collapse of private investment, exports and private spending. Increasing tax collection will only make those problem worse.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:45 PM
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28. The IMF and the EMU are most certainly the problem.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:55 AM
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32. ANY time I see the anacronym IMF........................
or the words World Bank, I'm ALWAYS going to think of Naomi Klein's book, "Shock Doctrine, The Rise of Disaster Capitalism". Yes I KNOW that the circumstances in Greece are somewhat different than the ones in South America in the 70s/80s, but guess what? THE IMF AND THE WORLD BANK'S SOLUTIONS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME! Cut social programs, increase taxes on the workers and privatize everything.

IOW, it's the same old shit. Except they're (IMF, World Bank)are NOW trying to dismantle the social democracies of EUROPE rather than the banana republics of Latin America.

In fact any time I see IMF or World Bank used in a post, I think I'll just save time and typing and respond with "Shock Doctrine".
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 06:55 PM
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11. You are right - let them sink or swim on their own.
of course they still don't have enough money to run the government.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 06:57 PM
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12. Well, they do have issues, but it is folly to think that the IMF will help.
The IMF has plenty of history behind it, and it's not a pretty picture, unless you are a bloodsucking bank.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:00 PM
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14. I am not thrilled either with my tax money going to Greece
when it is needed here at home.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:02 PM
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15. Empires, even pretend empires, are expensive. nt
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:13 PM
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20. Ahh - so it is our fault after all
I knew that eventually we would get to this point.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:18 PM
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23. If you claim to police the world, it is disingenous to disclaim responsibility for what happens.
Eh? And we do claim that.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:21 PM
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24. But all I really said is that it's expensive to pretend you run the world.
I didn't suggest that we actually do.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:18 PM
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25. Same here. nt
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 12:29 AM
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31. The IMF isn't a charity. It LENDS money, charges interest and forces brutal conditions
(deflationary measures) on borrowers. They call it shock therapy. The IMF "helps" like Sal the local loan-shark "helps" with payday loans.
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 06:18 PM
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4. Let me guess - they have to hand over the Acropolis, Delphi and other sites of interest to pirates
who are interested in their antiquities. I mean, they are just laying around and all...
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 06:52 PM
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9. MORE $$$ pissed away
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:34 PM
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26. Will this stop the precipitous slide in markets?
I can see not liking the solution, but I'd rather pay them a small amount via the IMF than lose my retirement account and then lose my job and then die starving.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 06:15 PM
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33. Dow up 405 points. nt
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