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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 03:40 PM
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Models indicate Gulf oil spill may be in major current
Source: AP

NEW ORLEANS — Researchers tracking the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico say computer models show the black ooze may have already entered a major current flowing toward the Florida Keys, and are sending out a research vessel to learn more.

William Hogarth, dean of the University of South Florida's College of Marine Science, told The Associated Press Sunday that one model shows that the oil has already the loop current, which is the largest in the Gulf.


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 03:43 PM
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1. ruh roh
Well, we've known since the geyser erupted that this was more than a remote possibility
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 03:43 PM
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2. Just keeps getting better and better, doesn't it?
Damn...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 03:52 PM
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3. Local news reporting the east coast will be affected.
There was no maybe about the spill in the major current when they reported it earlier today.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:11 PM
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6. Are you serious? Remind me again, MF, where are
you in Florida--east coast, yes?
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:19 PM
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7. Yes
:rofl:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:25 PM
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9. The current will take it around FL to the east coast most likely. Link
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100504-science-environment-gulf-oil-spill-loop-current-florida/

"As oil continues to surge into the Gulf of Mexico from the site of the Deepwater Horizon rig accident, experts warn that the Gulf's powerful Loop Current could whip millions of gallons of oil around Florida's peninsula and north to East Coast beaches.

There's no predicting the exact movements of the oil spill—which is growing by at least 5,000 barrels (210,000 gallons, or 794,937 liters) a day. But winds could push the slick south, where oil might get swept into the current.

Born in warm Caribbean waters, the Loop Current pulses north into the Gulf of Mexico and travels in a clockwise pattern toward Florida—ending up in one of the oceans' mighty conveyor belts, the Gulf Stream. (See a Gulf of Mexico map.)

If oil is swept up into the Loop Current—which moves at about 3.3 to 6.5 feet (1 to 2 meters) a second—"there's essentially no way to stop it," said Tony Sturges, professor emeritus in oceanography at Florida State University.

"Once gets into the loop current, you can bet the farm it will go around to the south" of the Florida Peninsula and into the Gulf Stream, which hugs Florida's eastern coast, he added."
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:26 PM
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10. Yeah, I'm familiar with the loop current. This is horrible.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:52 PM
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14. A dear longtime poster reassured me that
Edited on Sun May-16-10 04:52 PM by Karenina
water ran OUT of the 'glades. So tell me that I'm now seeing gook caught in the current (who could have imagined) strolling on up the east side. So like it might maybe slop the shores and wash back down once the winds blow through. I'm SO SORRY kids, it's the result of our collective tipping point towards STOOPID.

Endgame premises:

http://www.endgamethebook.org/Excerpts/1-Premises.htm


You tell me. I dunno nuttin no mo.:shrug:
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:04 PM
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16. Yes, water does run out of the Everglades...
... although the canals, locks, dams, and dikes have interrupted much of the flow. I don't think it's likely oil could get in the Everglades.

The loop current is a good hundred plus miles off Fla's west coast, so barring strong westerly winds lasting several days the oil isn't likely to end up here. The Gulf Stream comes closest to land at the Upper Keys and SE Fla - they would probably be the areas of biggest threat.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:53 PM
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21. I'm sure the dispersants are helping drive the oil out to the East Coast nt
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 07:44 PM
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27. These dispersants are questionable, no doubt,
Edited on Mon May-17-10 08:39 PM by janx
as they haven't been used at lower depths, but some people at the EPA and--no surprise--BP U.S. McKay insists that they're biodegradable.

:shrug:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 08:20 PM
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28. Biodegradable, fine.
But they are keeping the oil from coming to the surface.

Then they are using the surface oil to estimate the size of the spill...

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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 08:46 PM
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29. Agreed!
Since we're so used to looking at the surface to measure the oil, the use of this dispersant seems suspect. This whole thing seems like a horrible experiment, but from what I've read, we were dealing with two evils: Don't use the dispersant and let the oil rise to the top, or use it and break it up in the water column.

And by "we," I'm not referring to BP. :-)
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 08:48 PM
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30. I think they are using everything they got.
I'm going to write to BP to suggest a method they can use to get the flowrate, maybe they can give me some money. :-)
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 09:51 PM
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31. This is from the NOAA
"Media reports related to the research work conducted aboard the R/V Pelican included information that was misleading, premature and, in some cases, inaccurate. Yesterday the independent scientists clarified three important points:

1. No definitive conclusions have been reached by this research team about the composition of the undersea layers they discovered. Characterization of these layers will require analysis of samples and calibration of key instruments. The hypothesis that the layers consist of oil remains to be verified.

2. While oxygen levels detected in the layers were somewhat below normal, they are not low enough to be a source of concern at this time.

3. Although their initial interest in searching for subsurface oil was motivated by consideration of subsurface use of dispersants, there is no information to connect use of dispersants to the subsurface layers they discovered.

NOAA thanks the Pelican scientists and crew for repurposing their previously scheduled mission to gather information about possible impacts of the BP oil spill. We eagerly await results from their analyses and share with them the goal of disseminating accurate information.
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:31 PM
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18. And on to the British Isles!
If (or should I say when) the plume is picked up by the Gulf Stream, It will hug the Eastern Seaboard up to Cape Hatteras where it will cross the Northern Central Atlantic and slam into the West Coast of England.

Apropos, I would think.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:05 PM
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23. You mean the coasts of Ireland and Scotland.
They are directly in the path of the Gulf Stream, not England.
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:01 PM
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4. Not a peep out of Cheney. Wonder when he will emerge? When is his stupid book
coming out?  Wonder if he'll delay its release to keep out of
the limelight.  What a chickenshit.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:01 PM
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5. What do the private sector researchers say?
oh that's right their aren't any
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:24 PM
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8. I'm supposed to go kayaking Tuesday evening.
Down the Anclote River in Tarpon Springs to the Gulf. I'll get an up close view then.

I was about 20 miles north of there, on the Gulf this afternoon. Nothing so far.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:19 PM
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24. My brother is fishing in the keys
for the next week. I wonder how fast it will get down there if it is verified that it is indeed in the loop. I can't even fathom what is going to happen if it is. I am already so depressed about this I can hardly think about it.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:30 PM
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11. Let's be candid, our "experts" how no real idea what's going on ...
other than that there is a whole lot of oil being expelled into the Gulf of Texaco, and eventually it will "disperse".
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:29 PM
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17. This was on before the recent stabbing
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:30 PM
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12. K & R
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:44 PM
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13. No No No..Please......God No.....
..if there is a god.. he would not let this happen...

Coral Reefs, fish hatcheries in the Keys... Dolphins...Whales... Sea Turtles.... OMG
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:00 PM
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15. Won't matter to the PTB because it wont' get in to the Long Island Sound so Wall St Folks are Saved
and their McMansion Shorelines will NOT be filled with GOO! Also Cheney and Rumsfeld's Chesapeake Mansions will see no effect from this because the "Loop Current" will take it off shore around the Outer Banks of NC and off to EUROPE!

The folks that should feel this pain will never see it. Just like they can't understand why Katrina and New Orlean's Devastation "Part I" was such a huge thing for many of us.

No worries, though. Florida Keys will get some...it will loop around Miami and unless there's a "Bad Wind" it won't affect any shores that Wall Street cares about...so it won't get much coverage.

That's unless something doesn't "go to plan" and we have some unusual weather pattern that brings it into shore on Miami Beach, Up Fla East Coast Beaches and on to the "Gold Coast of SC." Then there might be some big backlash.

Does anyone care about the Florida Keys and Cuba getting the GOO? Except for us Tree Huggers and Reef Savers? :shrug:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:34 PM
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19. Here's a map of the Florida currents
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 09:53 PM
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32. OK, so this shows the gulf stream will help dilute the oil
By the time it gets to Miami, the concentration will be so low, you'll be able to bathe in the water and you won't tell the difference.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:35 PM
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20. Dammit, we are so fucked.
:grr: :grr: :grr:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:02 PM
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22. Shit!!!
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 07:32 PM
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25. Way to go BP for murdering nature!
Also, I wonder if the Republicans still feel good defending oil drilling when stupid shhh like this happens. Oh yeah, I forgot, Republicans hate those Europeans with their universal health care and socialist this and that, so I guess when Fox News reports this Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck will be grinning and announcing: "Those liberal socialist big-government arrogant Europeans deserved it!"
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 08:16 PM
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26. This war on nature is as old as ...
Patriarchy --

Organized patriarchal religion, its underpinning: "Manifest Destiny" "Man's Dominion Over Nature"

license to the elite to exploit --

Capitalism, the system developed by the Vatican when Feudalism became insufficent to run their

Papal States


ALL SUICIDAL CONCEPTS ---



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