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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:29 AM Original message |
NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. This could get really ugly really, really fast. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. yes, that quickly. NK's statement screams we know we're guilty but don't you dare come after us, |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. That's so. "North Korea, reacting swiftly" is not normal.. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. Er? North Korea *always* flares up instantly at any accusations leveled at them. (nt) |
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Journeyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
3. I just don't see what the North Koreans sought to gain in this attack . . . |
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Arrowhead2k1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I think they are trying to provoke a war without "blatantly" firing the first shot. |
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Kurska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Some North Korean sub captain panicked when a ship got close and fired on it |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
18. It could have been a mistake |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Admitting mistakes is a weakness of all authoritarian regimes. It's par for the course. |
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mrdmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Technically, North and South Korea never ended the war, there was an armistice signed |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. Give it time. |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
43. It's not what they can gain......it is that they don't have much to lose |
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Old Troop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
81. Sometimes I think NK doesn't need a reason that anyone else understands |
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Blacksheep214 (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
4. It's time to end this! |
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Arrowhead2k1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. We can't just let the South do as they wish. We have a pact. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:39 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. We didn't lose the first episode of the Korean Conflict. |
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Arrowhead2k1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Right, by lost I mean getting pushed back from Manchuria |
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Lurks Often (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. The draft won't be reinstated |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. China has said, many times, that they won't permit it. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. A PRC embargo would invite the repudiation of the US bonds they hold... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #49 |
65. China has a trillion reasons not to fuck with the US. |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
53. China and Russia will not allow another US puppet regime to further encircle them. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #53 |
66. This is not 1975. Neither have the means to |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:43 AM Response to Original message |
11. Oh noes, North Korea threatens to get itself obliterated if it keeps this shit up! |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:25 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. We can certainly rely on China behaving rationally. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. If we can count on the soviet bloc (dating myself) as being rational, Kim Jong Il .... |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Don't underestimate N. Korea military. |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:20 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Of course you realise, David, that a very similar description |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. That is true to an extent. |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. That's ok, mate. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. I'd say the N. Korea ideology has a 20-30% base of support. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. And one doesn't need US-level military tech to drop a shitload of artillery on Seoul. (nt) |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. Dont underestimate strategic bombing or NATO. Not been seen since Arc Light |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I do not. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. NO nuclear weapons would be required to reduce the north |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. I think that is a wrong assessment of N. Korean structure. |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. I disagree |
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Lurks Often (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. The North Korean artillery is |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Destroyed by what? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. They are there now in Japan and on Naval vessels. |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Diego Garcia is 4,700 miles from North Korea |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. The plane used would be a low signature like b2, or F-22 |
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OnlinePoker (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. North Korea has invasion tunnels |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. I saw a neat photo in an early 80's national geographic |
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Lurks Often (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. Destroyed by |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #31 |
57. The North will.... |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:50 AM Response to Reply #31 |
58. Any disruption to the SK economy will certainly lead to falling markets throughout Asia |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
52. Yeah, it'll be another cakewalk. n/t |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:55 AM Response to Original message |
14. Makes me think about the sinking of the Belgrano. |
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Angleae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
44. The sinking of the General Belgrano was not a war crime. |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
60. I agree 100% |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:13 AM Response to Original message |
15. the link goes to a different story...unless kim jong il drives a truck |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:45 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. It has started. NK torpedoed a truck on I-4 |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:41 AM Response to Original message |
16. Not to make light of this serious issue but |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
22. This is nothing new... |
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Lars77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
23. 'North Korean torpedo' sank South's navy ship - report |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Three possible responses from N. Korea: |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. There are few cases when an act can be seen as a blatant "Act of War." |
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Lars77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. They are already at war technically.. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
47. ... Briefers displayed torpedo parts recovered from the Cheonan wreck site: part of a motor, a shaft |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
26. The Korean War has never ended - There has been a truce for 57 years but no peace. |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
34. I support North Korea here... |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
37. I think North Korea wants to provoke a war. Time is not on their side. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Maybe true, but people were saying the same thing 20 years ago. |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. 20 years ago China was determined to keep N. Korea propped up |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. China is "propping it up" now. |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #55 |
69. They'll let it fall slowly. They won't allow a catastrophic collapse ala USSR |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
42. I would ignore North Korea |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
48. Three years ago, it seemed NK and SK were headed towards normalizing relations; the Bushistas |
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Lurks Often (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Or not |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:53 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Well said |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #59 |
84. Also well said. n/t |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:23 AM Response to Reply #48 |
61. Blame Bush? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. It certainly would be "North Korea's fault for attacking .. a ship in peacetime" |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Yeah, no. They just about started a war when clinton was pres. |
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jobwithout (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Oh for God's sake |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #48 |
67. The north is run by a stroked out madman. If they start a war |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. I don't know exactly what happened here, but assuming that the NK captain |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Lets suppose jack has a nuclear weapon, and suppose his neighbor has thousands |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. This may come as a surprise, but the United States isn't the only actor in the world. (nt) |
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Phoonzang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
75. So the sub intentionally sunk a S. Korean ship in S. Korean waters |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. If that has been a us vessel we would be in a shooting war. |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Well, there was the U.S.S. Liberty |
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Phoonzang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Well there is that. |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
85. The best thing to do... |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Sounds like the 1953 ceasefire could end soon if China doesn't get involved. |
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