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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:16 PM
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Electric Car Agreement for Toyota and Tesla
Source: NYTimes

Electric Car Agreement for Toyota and Tesla
By JIM MOTAVALLI
Published: May 20, 2010


In a press conference late Thursday in Palo Alto, Calif., attended by Elon Musk, the chief executive of Tesla Motors, and Akio Toyoda, the president of the Toyota Motor Corporation, the companies announced they would cooperate on the development of electric cars.
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Toyota said it would buy $50 million of Tesla common stock in a deal that would be completed after the completion of Tesla’s pending initial public offering.

Tesla, which sells the electric Roadster, also announced that it would buy part of the property occupied by the now-shut Nummi plant in Fremont, Calif., operated as a joint venture for many years by Toyota and General Motors. Tesla said it would build electric cars on some part of property.

In prepared remarks, Mr. Toyoda praised Tesla’s “challenging spirit, quick decision-making, and flexibility,” which he said Toyota related to because it was “also born as a venture business.” He also said he was impressed by Tesla’s speed to market and its energy.

Mr. Musk said he looked ...

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/business/21tesla.html?src=busln
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:24 PM
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1. Smart move by Toyota. I wish GM or Ford had done it, but I'm happy Tesla got the scratch.
Edited on Thu May-20-10 08:24 PM by David Zephyr
Good news.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:42 PM
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4. Toyota put all their eggs in the Prius basket - it was a bad bet
The Prius is a parallel hybrid design but it is the series hybrid and strait EV configurations are what everyone else is focusing on. Toyota is trying to play catch-up.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 09:08 PM
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5. Hey, watch it.
I drive a Hylander hybrid and my daughter drives a Prius. ;-)
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FBI_Un_Sub Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 09:34 PM
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6. TOYOTA BET ON PRIUS
Toyota bet on Prius (hybrid) because the so-called "Smart Money" (Detroit, Stutgart) were saying that "pure electrics" didn't have the 300+ mile range that "American families demand" and the quick refile times at the pump taht "American families expect."

Prediction -- Toyota will dominate the "Pure electric" market.

The "parallel hybrid" is a more challenging design then the "series hybrid."
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TrollBuster9090 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 09:41 PM
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7. Heh, well it's a small point, but GM DID do it almost 20 years ago with the EV1...
when the California govt. passed a law saying they HAD to introduce an electric car. Then they pulled the usual bullshit with astroturfed movements to kill it, bought control of the California legislature, reversed the legislation, and then got rid of all the electric cars. A technology they PIONEERED (with a little incentive from govt), and then went out of their way to destroy.

So, is inventing the electric car, and then lobbying your own govt to kill it the same as never having invented it? No, not in my opinion. IT'S WORSE! :)

In my opinion it's an absolute F-ING DISGRACE that the first affordable suburban electric car to be manufactured in the United States (the country that again PIONEERED affordable automobile mass production) is going to be manufactured by a NORWEGIAN company (Th!nk City) that is opening a branch in the U.S.

http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/alternative_vehicles/electric_cars/the_th!nk_city_is_coming_to_america/

Meanwhile all the American auto executives are whining that the market for electric cars is not big enough in America for them to build an affordable one, while ignoring the fact that NORWAY can do it with a population of FIVE MILLION PEOPLE!

It's official. American business executives are a DISGRACE to the country, and the spirit of American invention and enterprise is alive and well...IN NORWAY! (You know...one of those evil 'socialist' countries. ;)
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 05:26 AM
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10. Federal policy shifted to hydrogen cars and hence the battery powered car ended
EV1 had range problems. Battery technology was not ready then.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:13 AM
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11. The EV1 was an 3,000 lb electric fork truck made into an 80 MPH car.
Edited on Fri May-21-10 08:24 AM by Kokonoe
No innovation there.
Then they gave it out to young celebrities. An accident in waiting.
They probably just had a silent problem getting the last car back before some icon got killed.

edited for clarification
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 11:36 AM
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23. The Tesla is a retrofitted British sports car. Not exactly an engineering miracle! nt
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 12:24 PM
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25. GM could not rebrand a British sports car with lead acid batteries.
Its not the body, but the power train.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:36 PM
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2. Tesla: "We will design the fail safe control stuff"
:sarcasm:
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:37 PM
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3. Great news!
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 10:10 PM
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8. Were not three high level Tesla people killed in an 'airplane accident'?
Yes, a small plane crash...

Looks like we know the intended outcome of their deaths...
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 11:47 AM
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24. Yes, they were
Ironically, they were flying to their present factory in SoCal. The weather that day was miserable, and the tower advised the pilot against taking off. He did, they crashed, and much of Palo Alto was plunged into a blackout as the downed plane clipped a transmission tower.

Tinfoil hats off, please.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 11:20 PM
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9. I would prefer Ford but it is good news for Tesla.
Edited on Thu May-20-10 11:43 PM by BrightKnight
It is a bit like selling the iPod to Sony.

Tesla is American car making at its best. I would love to see an offer made to keep it American. Perhaps Ford should take a Government loan after all.

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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:41 AM
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12. Tesla, Toyota to build electric cars at NUMMI plant
Source: Mercury News

Tesla, Toyota to build electric cars at NUMMI plant

By Dana Hull and Steve Johnson

In a stunning deal, Tesla Motors announced late Thursday that it is teaming up with Toyota to build its all-electric Model S sedan at the recently shuttered NUMMI plant in Fremont, creating more than 1,000 new jobs.

The pact, put together in utter secrecy, immediately injects new life into an auto plant once left for dead, is a jolt of positive news for beleaguered Toyota and elevates Silicon Valley's role at the heart of the emerging electric car industry.

Under the agreement, Toyota, the world's largest automaker, will invest $50 million in Tesla, which will buy the NUMMI plant for an undisclosed sum. The joint venture was unveiled by Akio Toyoda, Toyota's CEO, who flew in from Japan for the announcement,

Read more: http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_15127946?nclick_check=1
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:41 AM
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13. That's great! The Tesla is an awesome vehicle.
And we could use the jobs around here.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:41 AM
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14. yes, let private money subsidize the electric car for the wealthy elites - no taxpayer cash nt
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:41 AM
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16. Tesla got a half a billion dollars from the taxpayers to do this...
"We do know, from our source, that Tesla will be using much of its $465 million loan from the U.S. Department of Energy to make the buy"

http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1045334_confirmed-tesla-to-build-electric-vehicles-with-toyota-at-nummi-plant
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:41 AM
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17. good
:thumbsup:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:47 AM
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19. They'll be bankrupt again in 6 months without more taxpayer cash.
:hi:
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 11:32 AM
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21. then more taxpayer cash they will get
:hi:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 11:36 AM
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22. That's how crony capitalism works, yes. nt
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:41 AM
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15. Which means that Toyota is getting ANOTHER US Taxpayer subsidy; Tesla is otherwise bankrupt. nt
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:41 AM
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18. $50 million is like $2 of Toyota.
But good for Toyota.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:48 AM
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20. Just think of how many Lotuses they can retrofit at such a plant!
Maybe one day Tesla can even engineer a car of its own!
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