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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:46 PM
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Amid immigration debate, illegal re-entry cases increasing in Waco
Source: Tribune-Herald

Twin brothers Jose and Pedro Medina stood silently outside Waco’s federal courthouse with solemn, blank stares on their faces.
Next to them, their younger sister, Erica, cried quietly and frequently dabbed at a steady flow of tears.
She, too, seemed stunned.

The siblings, all students at Waco High School with aspirations of going to college, watched as their father was sentenced to 10 months in prison on a felony count of illegally re-entering the United States after being sent back to his native Mexico.
Pedro Medina-Davila, 45, who lived in Waco for 20 years, will be deported again after serving his time, launching his children, who are U.S. citizens, and his wife, who is not, into a future of uncertainty

Read more: http://www.wacotrib.com/news/Amid-immigration-debate-illegal-re-entry-cases-increasing-in-Waco.html



The Obama administration has done a great job securing the border, wonder if those detained had money to afford a good lawyer


Serial Border Crosser Sentenced to 7 Years in Federal Prizon for Illegal Re-Entry

Tucson, Artizona - Arturo Ramirez-Garcia, 34, of Mexico City, Mexico, was sentenced by U.S. District Court Judge James C. Cacheris to 94 months in federal prison for Attempted Illegal Re-entry after Deportation. Ramirez-Garcia received consecutive sentences of 70 months in prison for the re-entry charge and an additional 24 months in prison for violating federal supervised release.
http://www.imperialvalleynews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7235&Itemid=1
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:52 PM
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1. Isn't this the obvious outcome?
Edited on Sat May-22-10 01:53 PM by dkf
I don't understand why people would plan a life based on breaking laws. This is the result of the life choices made. Everyone agrees no employer should hire this man or his wife. By that thinking these kids have no means of support. What person does this to kids?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:02 PM
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2. "I don't understand why people would plan a life based on breaking laws."
Well gee my guess is that the plan is to house clothe and feed the family, just like your plan and my plan, every day of our lives.

"What person does this to kids?" - consult mirror. We do this to these kids.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:05 PM
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8. No. I don't plan to subject anyone to a life of lying.
How is this different from any life where you are always on the run? We talk about single mothers who are unable to take care of their kids but what about people for whom even having a job is illegal? What a sucky thing to do to your kids.
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:44 PM
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5. Yes, it is clear that you don't understand.
We live in a globalized economic system that generates winners and losers. Some of those losers are Mexican peasants forced out of the countryside because they can't compete with US industrial agriculture. Some of them come here in search of a way to make a living. Our economy uses these people, but we provide no legal means for them to come and work, leaving them an exploited underclass.

Funny thing: In our globalized economy, capital flows freely across borders, goods flow freely across borders, jobs flow freely across borders. The only thing that doesn't flow freely across borders is human beings.

And being arrested, imprisoned, and deported is clearly NOT the obvious outcome. Otherwise, we wouldn't have 12 million or so undocumented immigrants in the country. We have tolerated and even implicitly encouraged their presence for decades.

You know, most of these people are not criminals. Their crime is not having a piece of paper, that's all.

I support comprehensive immigration reform, including regularizing the status of those who are here, not breaking up families and imprisoning people for lack of papers.
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maglatinavi Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:58 PM
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7. flaneur
Edited on Sat May-22-10 03:01 PM by maglatinavi
I agree with you ... after all theose millions 0f illegals are somehow the backbone of the ec0nomy by:working for less money
and being consummers
this is a country of immigrants and supposedly with a humane, libertarian, justice spirit...
:yoiks:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:09 PM
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9. Is that why people here support illegal immigration? We want cheap labor
Well then why don't we get rid of the minimum wage? You people are clearly advocating that a part of the population should not be paid according to our laws.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:22 PM
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11. nobody support illegal immigration, most people support immigration reform
to end illegal immigration.

Research shows that between 1953 and 1959 illegal entry dropped by 95% when Mexican migrants had the legal option of utilizing the Bracero program, which allowed them to enter the U.S. temporarily as contract workers in agriculture. In contrast, the U.S. increased the Border Patrol from 3,733 in 1990 to approximately 20,000 today. And over the past two decades the illegal immigrant population in the U.S. rose from 3.5 million to about 11 million because, without a legal safety valve, entering the U.S. has become more hazardous, encouraging people to stay once they are here. The only plausible way to eliminate immigrant deaths at the border, as well as reduce illegal immigration in the long term, is to institute a new program of temporary visas or portable work permits for foreign workers, potentially in conjunction with a bilateral agreement on enforcement with Mexico and Central American countries.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/05/19/immigration-reform-policy-opinions-contributors-stuart-anderson.html?feed=rss_europe

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 04:03 PM
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15. if it were legal it wouldn't be illegal now would it? nt.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 04:37 PM
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17. I'm talking about labor laws specifically. Why is it okay for some people to
Provide cheap labor and not okay for others?

We seem to be celebrating the fact that we get cheap labor so why don't we get rid of the minimum wage since you all think it's a necessity.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:40 PM
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23. non sequitur much?
nice try.
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LarryNM Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 07:41 PM
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21. Freedom and Civil Liberties are for Inanimate Objects
The SCOTUS has told us so, doncha know. The laborers are to be used, abused and discarded as needed.
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:56 PM
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20. Yes, yes the nerve of him wanting a better life for his family. I want
to know when are they going to start throwing owners of businesses who hire known illegals. Start there first. Than the rest won't come.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:22 PM
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3. The amount of money it takes to house/feed folks in prison/jail is ridiculous.
It costs more money to keep people in prison than it does to send them to college.
This has to stop!
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Iliyah Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:28 PM
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4. Wait
until AZ put into law over-turning the 14th Amendment, per se, only pertaining to Latinos, Blacks, Asians, and others that are not lilly white.
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:15 PM
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10. Can you point out in the law where it says that?
Or point to the section where it will be enforced in that manner? I have a copy in front of me and can't find that section.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:22 PM
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12. This is a new proposal that hasn't been voted on yet.
The same guy who wrote the "papers, please" law has written a new one, stating that Arizona will not recognize the citizenship of children born in the US to undocumented immigrants, and will not issue birth certificates. Clearly unconstitutional.

Sorry, no link. I saw it on the TV machine.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:29 PM
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13. Sen. Pearce's E-Mails Reveal Future Plans (Link)
E-mails to and from Ariz.state Sen. Russell Pearce reveal the immigration enforcement debate may not stop with SB 1070, the controversial immigration law.

Pearce, R-Mesa, the author of Arizona’s immigration law, has been writing to some of his constituents about what he plans to accomplish next.

In e-mails obtained by CBS 5 News, Pearce said he intends to push for a bill that would enable Arizona to no longer grant citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants born on U.S. soil.

Pearce wrote in one e-mail: "I also intend to push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen."

http://www.kpho.com/news/23623047/detail.html
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 04:08 PM
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16. OK I thought it was the law that was voted.
I'll search for the proposed one. Thanks.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:05 PM
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18. there's a rep in Oklahoma who wants to do just that
Edited on Sat May-22-10 06:07 PM by a la izquierda
edit...sorry, didn't read far enough down.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:46 PM
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19. There is one that want microchips implants on humans
Third District GOP congressional hopefuls called for more R&D on illegal immigration – as in round-up and deport.

Speaking at a Tama County Republican forum Monday, six candidates for the GOP nomination to face seven –term Democratic Rep. Leonard Boswell opposed amnesty for illegal aliens and called for tougher enforcement of border security.

“I think we should catch ’em, we should document ’em, make sure we know where they are and where they are going,” said Pat Bertroche, an Urbandale physician. “I actually support micro-chipping them. I can micro-chip my dog so I can find it. Why can’t I micro-chip an illegal?

“That’s not a popular thing to say, but it’s a lot cheaper than building a fence they can tunnel under,” Bertroche said.
http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/covering-iowa-politics/2010/04/27/3rd-district-gop-hopefuls-take-tough-stances-on-immigration
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 07:58 PM
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22. Sounds like the "Final Solution"----- VERY SCARY
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maglatinavi Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:53 PM
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6. waco
It is indeed a shame that tax money is spent more in prisions than education.
this is a country of immigrants... did the native indians deported europeans that in the long run robbed them???
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:35 PM
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14. Apparently in Arizona they prefer to jail workers than dangerous criminals
Thousands of wanted fugitives from across the country are roaming Valley streets after being arrested then set free, according to the Phoenix Police Department.

Phoenix police Sgt. Andy Hill said their warrant interdiction squad makes around 150 arrests each month, taking in suspects with outstanding warrants.

Hill said more than half of those suspects are let go because the police departments handling their cases in other states do not want to travel to Arizona and pick them up.

"The agency that originates the warrant will not extradite, and usually it's financial," Hill said. "They say we can't afford to have two detectives go out to Arizona, since the cost will be thousands of dollars."

Hill insisted that most of the outstanding warrants involve nonviolent offenses; however, there are plenty of cases where the accused criminals are considered dangerous.

"We've seen everything in the range from murder, sex assault, attempted lynching, aggravated assault, robberies and armed robberies," said Hill.


http://phoenix.gov/news/policebreakingnews/warrant_interdiction_squad_results_042810.html
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