WRAPUP 3-US says must rely on BP to stop oil;Iran offers help

Source: Reuters

VENICE, La., May 23 (Reuters) - The U.S. government is forced to rely on BP and the private oil sector to try to plug the gushing Gulf of Mexico well because only they have the technical know-how to stop the spill at those depths, the U.S. Coast Guard chief said on Sunday.

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Iran, a fierce critic of Washington, repeated an offer to assist with the Gulf spill, calling it no great challenge compared to what Iran itself had dealt with.

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In Tehran, Mehran Alinejad, head of special drilling operations at the National Iranian Drilling Co., said Iran had successfully dealt with past huge oil leaks, particularly when rigs were bombed during a war with Iraq in the 1980s.

"Iranian technical teams have had major achievements in oil well capping compared with which the Gulf of Mexico oil rig is no feat," he told IRNA news agency.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/idAFN2226640420100523?rpc=44

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Iran has the knowledge and so does BP according to this story.

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But will we be able to get past all the old hate and do it??

got nothing against the Persian people. Why must we use the word "hate". I do not hate them, I love them as they are my relations as are all other humans and living things on this planet.

Thanks for your kind offer Iran. I'll take you up on it personally if no one else will!

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It just hit me that this is a big opportunity for the people of this planet to act like grown ups and come together for the common good..hell, survival, of the planet that gives us life. How hard is that to figure out really?

I'm with you, CountAllVotes, thank you Iran and all others who offer help.

this is our chance.

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its about the same level of bullshit we used to invade Iraq.

to save the planet. The Russians also ought to have some valuable expertise....and the Norwegians, the list goes on.This is too important to be left to BP

to save the planet. The Russians also ought to have some valuable expertise....and the Norwegians, the list goes on.This is too important to be left to BP

I highly doubt it. I don't especially feel a sense of gratitude to Iran, considering this is all just political posturing.

this is after all what they do. They have plenty of resources down in the Persian Gulf, do not kid yourself. They have a huge Navy, I know that much and they after all are the experts in the Gulf. Saudi Arabia hasn't offered anything at all have they?

If Iran is offering to help, I say take them at their word.

Do we really need to bomb bomb bomb Iran? I hope the hell not.

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have the capability to send seacraft down 5,000 ft. This has never happened, so Iran has no more knowledge than anyone else would. And I don't think it's wise to take Iran at its word. it operates in a political world and its "word" is often no more than bombast and political posturing.

They also have a conflict-of-interest in NOT stopping the spill... What a load of crap.

Working with surface wells like Iran's isn't the same as a hole on the continental shelf, under a mile of water (over 1 ton per square inch pressure) and then another six miles under that (total vertical depth is over 35,000 feet.)

The problem is only 5000 feet down. Your 35,000 is a straw man and doesn't compute.
And it is mostly pressure difference, not total pressure they have to worry about. The difference between the pressure in the well and the water pressure at 5000 feet. There are submersibles already there, designed, not only to operate at that depth, but for that kind of work.

Iran could very well have the tools and expertise to stop the leak. And even maybe to have a producing well when they are done. What's to lose? BP so far has not shown much competence.

and this is a far better option that having to evacuate the entire gulf coast region as this person is stating to be the case:

http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2010/05/benzene-killer-plans-in-place-to.html

Take what is being offered America! BP has nothing to offer but more grief. Iran may have many options. Just because WE don't know does not mean that such options do not exist.

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Looks like it is coming right from the top, then. Very frightening and disturbing.

"The U.S. government is forced to rely on BP and the private oil sector to try to plug the gushing Gulf of Mexico well because only they have the technical know-how to stop the spill at those depths, the U.S. Coast Guard chief said on Sunday."

Never in the past was the government forced to privatize something because it lacked any "technical know-how" about anything.

Look at this double talk:

Admiral Thad Allen was asked on CNN's "State of the Union" show on Sunday why the U.S. federal government did not completely take over the spill containment operation from the London-based firm.

The answer?

"What makes this an unprecedented anomalous event is access to the discharge site is controlled by the technology that was used for the drilling, which is owned by the private sector. They have the eyes and ears that are down there. They are necessarily the modality by which this is going to get solved."

Besides...

"I trust Tony Hayward. When I talk to him, I get an answer."

Source: Miami Herald

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. official leading the response to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill said Sunday that only BP had the expertise to plug the gaping hole in its deepwater well and that he trusted the oil company was doing its best.

The comments by Adm. Thad Allen, the commandant of the Coast Guard, signaled that the U.S. government wouldn't take a larger role in stopping the five-week-old spill even as frustration along the Gulf Coast grows over the Obama administration's policy of letting BP run the effort.

While officials in Louisiana readied for an expansive oil slick to make landfall on Grand Isle, a major tourist hub, BP officials said they would deploy late Tuesday or before dawn Wednesday their latest attempt to stop the spill - a complex "top kill" maneuver that involves pumping the hole full of mud and cement.

"They have the eyes and ears that are down there. They are necessarily the modality by which this is going to get solved," Allen said on CNN's "State of the Union" program. "Our responsibility is to conduct proper oversight to make sure they do that."

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Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/23/1644306/only-bp-has-expertise-to-stop.html

not so sure I agree with the Admiral

saying to BP you won't take it any more sure didn't do anything productive to fix the flow. Maybe if we all clap and say we believe in fairies?

have they solved the problem?

Exactly what expertise is the Admiral referring to?

No . . . I don't see anyone else. But I am not a part of the industry. I just don't see any expertise being exhibited by BP. Do you?

And I'm seeing reports that their offers of help are being rebuffed possibly due to BP seeing the solutions as too expensive. Saving their ass and saving their money are the only things driving BP right now.

If they had the alleged expertise (and had actually used it) this would not have happened in the first place.

Containment and cleanup?

This looks fubared to me.

their hands on BPs oil!!

and that ain't gonna happen.

Seriously. If all of the engineers in the world with this expertise work for BP, what does that say about the risk of the non-BP rigs?

I am not saying the Feds need to take the operation over (never have), but lets call it for what it is. Oversight isn't repeating BP talking points (1k, ok 5k a day, collecting 2k, er 5k, er 2k a day) it is INDEPENDENTLY analyzing this crap and letting We The People know WTF is going on down there.

That is simply not news, just pure propaganda. Trusted? TRUSTED? Give me a break. :puke:

Oh, and if an oil company is the only entity on the planet that can solve such an issue, then we're screwed.

Is Bp siphoning 5000 barrels a day off this ?I do not know the price of oil,but I bet this will help pay for their limited capped damages,BP lies

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Where is the OVERSIGHT in that statement? Where are OUR "eyes and ears".

Memo to Allen: Oversight is NOT defined by taking the word of the perp as fact and repeating the talking points they give you as "official government". Oversight is conducting your OWN fucking investigation with your OWN independent scientists and labs.

I need to go puke now.

Indeed

The implied message from the admiral: "We haven't a clue how to fix this problem, so we are not getting involved."

That Obama hasn't really made this a priority or cares very much about it is painfully obvious.
His "legacy" will live on forever, then.

Push your willful blindness elsewhere.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x309700

Besides, define "all over it." Hoping. after the fact, that BP will just "get 'er done" is not comforting.

Who has the experience? The Mexican government (PEMEX), the Iranian government (NIOC), and the Russian government (Rosneft). Hmmm, maybe that "government IS the problem" line is all bullshit.

Two major pelican rookeries are now awash in crude.

Jindal made his remarks on a boat at the edge of one of the pelican nesting grounds. He and officials from several coastal parishes say the berms would close the door on the oil still pouring from a deepwater gusher about 50 miles off the coast.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is studying the environmental impacts from the emergency barrier proposal. The Corps didn't immediately respond to e-mails and telephone messages

equipment to deal with this problem. It also has no experts on the payroll. The liability is BP's and for the gov. to take over MIGHT void that liability. Probably more lawyers involved here than oil specialists.

The equipment on the sea floor is BP's. Perhaps there is a difference between this equipment and the equipment of other companies.

We do have doubts about the news/lack of news coming out of the spill zone. This may be due more to legal liability and responsibility than to actually blacking out news. Whatever is being done takes time...nothing will be a quick fix.

Anyone know for sure if another drilling rig has been brought in or is BP using drilling ships(theirs)for salvage?

the same thing happened: Exxon called the shots, decided when the beaches were clean, and the Coast Guard was relegated to being their errand boys.

is as "First Responders" not as post-incident "remediators".

then the government would now have the needed equipment. In point of fact, BP has no real incentive to fix the leak. Their only obligation is to their stockholders.

they have every incentive, their guys were the first to die, and their guys are gonna be the first to have their asses handed to them (either losing good jobs or someone going to jail when all the fingers are pointed)

BP does not benefit in any way from this continuing for one more nano-second

sure "BP does not benefit in any way from this continuing for one more nano-second"... who does?

it's all CSA- cover shareholders asse(t)s now.

1. Their guys were the first to die

"Their guys?!?!?" "Their guys" work in the boardroom, and none of them died, or were severely inconvenienced, except for a temporary dip in their portfolios.

2. their guys are gonna be the first to have their asses handed to them

Yeah, that's going to happen. They and Blankenship are reeeeeeealy worried :scared:

3. Losing jobs

Prediction: They'll all get jobs, either elsewhere in Big Oil, or as Repuke politicians

4. Going to jail

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5. BP does not benefit in any way

Nor do they suffer

Wake up and smell the fascism.

NOT

cough

unfortunately i think it's just propaganda horseshit but if they have something to offer let's by all means hear it

I think the US is doing as much as it is able to but we do need outside help.