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IScreamSundays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:49 PM
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Kim Jong Il Orders Military to Get Ready for Combat (Update1)
Source: Bloomberg

May 25 (Bloomberg) -- North Korean leader Kim Jong Il ordered the country’s military to get ready for combat in a message televised nationwide last week following South Korea’s announcement that North Korea torpedoed the South’s warship.

The message was broadcast on May 20 by O Kuk Ryol, vice chairman of the National Defense Commission, according to the website of North Korea Intellectuals Solidarity, a Seoul-based group run by defectors from the communist country. Yonhap News agency reported on the group’s posting earlier today.

While Kim doesn’t want war, North Korea is ready to counter any attacks from South Korea, O said in the message, according to the group, which cited an unidentified person in the country. North Korea Intellectuals Solidarity is one of the Seoul-based agencies to first report on North Korea’s currency revaluation late last year.

Officials at South Korea’s Defense Ministry weren’t immediately reachable for comment.

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Read more: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-24/kim-jong-il-orders-military-to-get-ready-for-combat-update1-.html
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:51 PM
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1. No word on whether he's mobilizing the Joy Brigades
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:57 PM
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3. That would be like getting trampled by a thousand Hello Kitties
:scared:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:59 PM
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4. I feel myself becoming oddly turned on by that thought
I've got to get out of here...
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:06 PM
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6. !
:spank:
:hi:
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:26 PM
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13. Isn't that always how it goes?
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j420norcal Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:59 AM
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22. Is that part of N. Korea's Joy Division?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:46 AM
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26. No.... these guys....

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 09:54 PM
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2. maybe he is trying to avoid an internal revolution nt
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:04 PM
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5. I think it's what he's wanted all along.
By shooting a torpedo at the S. Korean submarine, he knew it would be provocative. Either SK would retaliate, allowing KJ-II the illusion of "self defense" or KJ-II would attack SK for NK's "honor" if accused of shooting the torpedo. Circular logic with the same goal: war with SK to "finish" the war.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:14 PM
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7. With luck, maybe the US and China will agree to sit this one out. n/t
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:38 PM
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8. I really hope that's true
Please, please let there be no interventionism from either.
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FreedomRain Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:44 PM
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9. United States-Republic of Korea Mutual Defense Treaty
So no we won't sit it out, sorry to say. But with military stretched and broken as it is, there's going to have to be some creative mutual defending.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:20 PM
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12. True, and likewise China has a treaty w/ N Korea.
However, neither US nor China want war with each other. So it's possible both might agree to let the kids fight it out among themselves.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:34 PM
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15. China's been somewhat conservative about their own obligations there
The treaty mentions "mutual assistance," but also has language about that requiring unprovoked attacks, which this certainly wouldn't be if Kim decided to go for Seoul out of the blue. On top of that there's simply the fact that China tends to be pretty pragmatic about these sorts of things; if the Koreas went to war, the US will massively intervene, and nobody on either side wants a Sino-American war. If the balloon goes up I'd be more than a little surprised if they do anything other than try to mediate or simply make sure their border's locked down enough.
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FreedomRain Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:42 PM
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16. maybe
More likely a diplomatic squash, like the US pressure on Israel to put up with the SCUDS, back in the first Iraq war. I'm also sure China could apply the same pressure and probably would.

Letting them actually fight can't end well can it? First we'd have to remove all our own soldiers from in between them. Then when N Korea starts to lose they toss there nuke or attack Japan.

Or say the N somehow starts winning? Who's going to bother with an ally like us ever again, if we just let the S die?
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:11 AM
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19. N Korea has no food and no fuel.
Their equipment is Korean and Vietnam War era stuff. They'll lob some heavy artillery on Seoul, which will take a beating for a day. The artillery will be taken out quickly, though, along with NK's vintage air force. It'll be over in a matter of days, with or without US help. Once lil' Kim's palace is bombed, taking out his porn collection, NK will surrender.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:53 PM
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11. Wasn't the NK nutjob over in China recently? I sudder to think he got the go ahead by the Chinese
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:29 PM
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14. China would have nothing to gain from that
North Korea's a loose cannon at best, but they'd prefer a relatively consistent loose cannon to the smouldering rubble of a state that would be that half of the peninsula one month after the outbreak of war. That's before going into things like the refugee problem it would cause.

Kim visits China a few times a year; it's one of the only countries that he's willing to visit, between his travel requirements and the fact that he can't really get too far from Pyongyang for security reasons.
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Blacksheep214 Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 10:45 PM
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10. Getting the troops ready for combat?
I guess that means feeding them so they don't pass out while marching!

The North Koreans could add a new meaning to an army traveling on its stomach.
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Iliyah Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 11:59 PM
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17. I know
this is not a funny subject, but, HECK

after reading all the post here, I can't stop laughing - LOL
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:00 AM
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18. The Army gets food, the people starve, Stalinism run rampant.
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:52 PM
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30. I think it means to stop gnawing the bark off of trees and face south
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:20 AM
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20. Health-wise Kim is circling the drain.
He's a man who has been treated as a god his entire life, and now he's facing his end.

I'm afraid his last wish is to go out in a blaze of "glory".
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:36 AM
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21. There's the worry of a spectacular inauguration for his successor, too
That guy's started showing up in front of cameras recently, and there were noises about this whole situation being about getting him some spotlight time.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:19 AM
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24. I've heard that too...
Although, this situation is pretty bad, it won't amount to anything.

Just more of the norths insanity.

They know fully well, that if they go to war, they 1) won't get the kind of help they got from china the first go around 2) it will destroy their country and 3) NK's leaders are enormous ego-maniacs and the last thing they want is to be dead.

We will go through more BS with them before this finally gets pushed the the back pages.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 02:22 AM
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23. South Korea restarts propaganda broadcasts to North
South Korea has resumed propaganda broadcasts to the North, amid high tension over the sinking of a Southern warship.

Late on Monday it began playing radio programmes, soon to be broadcast via border loudspeakers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10151893.stm

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Uh oh. Let's see if NK makes good on their threat to hit those transmitters.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:43 AM
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25. Doesn't Lil Kim do this at least once every week?
Honestly, the Dear Leader's saber-rattling is hardly news anymore. The sinking of that South Korean warship, on the other hand, is.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:55 AM
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28. This one's substantially worse than usual
South Korea is, ah, meeting them halfway on the ratcheting-up. Not without cause considering what happened to them, but Seoul's crossed quite a few lines - the propaganda broadcasts, shutting down shared waterways - that North Korea's explicitly said for years they'll open fire over. On top of news of mobilizations over the last few days, they're currently expelling what few South Koreans are in the country and so on as well, including that industrial park that's a non-trivial part of the north's trade income.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:34 AM
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27. N Korea 'severs all ties' with Seoul
North Korea is to cut all relations with South Korea, Pyongyang's official news agency has reported.

KCNA said this would include all the North's communications with the South.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia_pacific/10156834.stm
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Blandocyte Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 12:15 PM
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29. It's the military
they're already supposed to be ready already.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:54 PM
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33. There's a pretty big continuum from "peacetime readiness" to "shooting at things." (nt)
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charlesg Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:54 PM
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31. We need Austin Powers to save us
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:01 PM
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32. I prefer James Bond
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:56 PM
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34. How many times has this idiot threatened to attack...
Hard to to take this lunatic seriously.
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