Arizona Law Already in Effect for Some Immigrants

Source: costa rica news

It's not the law yet, but for undocumented immigrants like Ismael Palafox and his family, SB 1070 is already a reality.

The controversial new Arizona law that is making headlines internationally will take effect at the end of July. For the first time in U.S. history, it makes it a state crime to be an undocumented immigrant.

Palafox was questioned by the Apache Junction Police in front of his family in connection with dumping trash in the wrong place and turned over to immigration authorities. He is now in the Florence Detention Centre facing deportation to Mexico.

"I can't believe this is happening to us," Socorro, his wife, told IPS in Spanish. "Why are they enforcing this law if it's not in effect already? They're abusing their power."



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If his family hadn't been right there, how would they ever even know what happened to him?

I have no problem with him being deported. Sounds like a scumbag.

They could do everything that ought to be done under existing law.

Being undocumented has never been a crime before and racial profiling is against Federal law. Plus, it looks like these cops violated their own department policy.

This law is not just like Federal law, at all.

I've heard complaints that police are reluctant to ticket or charge a driver with no license if they think he or she is "illegal".

There's a huge Latino community here on the east side of San Jose. There's every possible status you can think of, including a majority of American citizens. People who are undocumented handle it in different ways. Some people just don't risk driving. Some people find a way to get licenses or fake licenses but that's risky and can get you in more trouble -- the solution is more serious than the problem. But I've never heard anyone complain that the police were reluctant to write tickets. :)

It is a crime to use a fake driver's license and I'm sure they know it.

It is also a crime, in fact a felony, to be in possession of a fake Social Security card, and some immigrants do that too.

Yes, we need comprehensive immigration reform. But the lack of progress in this area does not excuse committing the crimes that I just mentioned.

than any other group. There are plenty of real problems in this situation without exaggerating them or inventing new ones.

especially egregious crime, regardless of who is committing it.

Oh, brother. Has it ever occurred to you that people who work in a community and who buy in a community and who rent in a community pay TAXES? But heaven forbid and no matter how many years they pay in, that they should ever benefit from the taxes they pay.

pay as long as they follow the rules. And in many ways they do benefit from their taxes regardless of their immigration status. But are you saying that because they pay taxes it is acceptable for them to use fake documents even though that's a crime? And BTW, I didn't call anyone a "welfare queen." Those were your words, not mine.

seem like many people assumes that undocumented worker should know every existing penal code or law while they are living in the shadows, why not legalize them and require them to take a class on constitutional law and penal codes?

Right now, the Social Security Administration has half a trillion dollars in contributions from undocumented workers. But those workers shouldn't receive any benefit from having made those contributions because they're undocumented, right? We should just be allowed to keep that money for ourselves, you figure? How about all of the money paid by undocumented immigrants in sales tax? Astonishingly, undocumented immigrants don't get to go into a store and refuse to pay sales tax because they're undocumented. In many states, sales tax accounts for a huge percentage of state tax revenue. Do we get to just keep that money as well? And, of course, the majority of undocumented immigrants pay income tax as well, as it is automatically withheld from their pay by their employers, just as it is for every other employee in the country. But we ought to be able to keep that money and offer nothing in return because our corporations offered them jobs and, in some instances, even assistance crossing the border illegally, and they heinously accepted our invitation, right?

These employers are the magnet which brings in illegals --

We need Mexico to start investing in jobs in Mexico for their citizens

rather than support America's debt and America's need for cheap labor!!

And, yes, everyone confirms that Mexcians are not Arizona's criminals ---

Arizona's true problems are with the Drug War -- and the violence from

that stupidity crossing the border -- gun smuggling, etal!!

Just easier to scapegoat illegals and Mexicans!!

Why is using fake ID so egregious? Half of my friends in college used fake IDs to get into bars under age. Does that elevate them to the level or child molesters or serial killers?

destroying their livelihoods at home...hmmmm?

One person's "illegal" is another person's showing initiative to retrieve their own resources...

it was a crime not to also implement a free worker zone like the EU. We are exploiting the poor, taking their resources but they aren't able to come to where the wealthy are to try to get in on those wages.

in Mexico for Mexicans!!

And they're also supply us with cheap labor --

Nothing like harvesting slave labor!!

and its various insanities -- gun smuggling ---

but not illegal aliens --

No need to get a fake license there and the state better ensures that drivers in the state are capable and qualified.

then to have driver's licenses is a better approach IMO, but in areas where that does not happen, it nevertheless is a crime to use a fake driver's license.

program and especially in Arizona.

Of course, that program like 1070, will make those communities less secure as Latinos become less and less willing to have police contact.

in this state are a lot of food processing plants. Up intil the 90's immigration used to conduct regular sweeps on the companies to find illegals working there and holding the companies responsible. All of a sudden they were not allowed to do it any more and I have not seen any since the 90's. I was born in Mexico, my wife is from there and does not speak english. She works for Butterball, there ate tons of people working there, tyson, ok foods, twin rivers, etc. etc. on stolen papers. I am not saying I am not sympathetic to the people, everyone I know are spanish speaking and by far mostly illegal but just trying to make the point that l;ack of enforcement is why these things are happening.

But what Arizona has done is not reform and will not fix what is broken.

BECAUSE IT IS NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT
THE OLD LAW

IT IS A DIFFERENT LAW
AND IT IS THE DIFFERENCE THAT IS WRONG

A PERSON OUT FOR A JOG IN SHORTS AND A T-SHIRT DOES NOT NECESSARILY CARRY "HIS PAPERS"....
AND CERTAINLY NOT HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE....

LET'S TEST THIS LAW IN BEVERLY HILLS FIRST.....
GRAB UP THE R A N D O M FIRST FEW JOGGERS AND APPLY THE "YOU HAVE NOT CONVINCED ME YOU ARE AMERICAN" RULE TO THEM

INCLUDE A FEW DIFFERENT RACES.... GENDER.... ETC....

----------------------------------------------------------------LET ME KNOW HOW IT WORKS OUT
DO NOT ACCEPT DRIVERS LIC. AS PROOF

THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...THE NEW LAW IS NOT THE OLD LAW...

SO CAN WE QUIT SAYING THAT IT IS

Enforcement was supposed to be done on a federal level and has not been. I'm not saying the law is good, I do blame federal government's lack of action for these extreme laws popping up.......and I don't think it will only be arizona unfortunately.

The Republicans are lying through their teeth but no one bothers to fact check them.

Enforcement has been up -- both Federal and Local (ESPECIALLY here in Tucson)...

Immigration is down now that USAmerika has become a 3rd world nation harboring a few ubber-rich banksters and capitalist kleptocrats...no jobs to lure those whose resources have been stolen by USAmerican capitalists...

The law is ALL ABOUT VOTER SUPPRESSION...it don't have SHIT to do with "immigration"... Those right-wing f*cks who wrote it and passed it are scared shitless because their constituency, white-racist-retirees are not breeding while other folks are...

Their days are numbered and this is part of their last gasp racist legislation to suppress voter turnout among those of darker hue and lesser economic status...

This isn't even the latest law -- that execrable piece of shit brewer also signed a law intended to gut the ethnic studies classes at TUCSON HIGH SCHOOL because the right-wing fascist state superintendent of schools doesn't like them...even though the program is HIGHLY effective...

Anything you hear on this subject in the mass media is bullshit...

Politically, this is a f*cked up state!

Bilingual and tough. Because you are right. This is totally about vote suppression.

is a push to register the REAL targets of this law...Mexican-Arizonans...

Good old unintended consequences...

in other words, who to support.

But poll minding is crucial -- remember Ohio. We registered people in droves and then, the Thuggery suppressed the hell out of black voting districts.

We've experienced vote flipping with impunity -- notably in our execrable RTA (Regional Transit Authority) election -- giving up accountability over road and highway building from our city governments to an unaccountable regional "authority" -- busy building more urban superhighways in the waning days of cheap oil...

Just so the local big developer and car dealer can make more millions -- IDIOTS...

And it's financed by another regressive sales tax (we pay more sales tax in Tucson than the good folks in San Francisco do...)...

Thanks to the magic of vote-flipping and suppression...

the former AG who was in charge of investigating that mess?

Terry Goddard...

was indeed the one who grabbed and hid the evidence...

and issued a "report" sweeping the entire matter under the rug...

because he's running for governor here in the new Mississippi...

Of course, Tucson is a "democrat" town (well, republican-lite), so the perpetrators of the voter fraud were primarily pro-development democrats...

Kinda like our execrable congress-critter Gabby Giffords :puke:

I don't know about now, but they had a mayor recently who was an Iranian immigrant, I believe.

since pink underwear Joe is a featured speaker at most neo-nazi gatherings in fascist Centro-Arizona...

Since he IS a neo-nazi...

He'd find it easy to get close...